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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#42476: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:00:33 PM

[up][up] 'Get to know them better' is fine. Like, say, asking them to a dance, or hanging out with them to cheer them up.

Stalking them for months when they're mentally traumatized and then refusing to stop touching them when they clearly don't seem to be enjoying it is another thing entirely. And yes, it probably wouldn't be the same, as nobody else has expressed the interest in Blake that Sun has so far. Context changes things. If it was, say, I dunno, Sage going along because he wanted to help fight Blake's enemies, it wouldn't be nearly so desperate or creepy as Sun's been.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#42477: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:00:39 PM

[up][up]As an ex-leader and an apparently significant political figure in Menagerie he's going to hold power over the Fang, even if it's only moral.

@Wyldchyld

I just wish that, given how much time we spent with them, Fennec and Corsac had developed some personality. As is they just come off like "standard villain #1000". Asking them to be different from one another might be a bit much given that they're clearly going for a Those Two Bad Guys vibe, but so far they don't even stand out as a single persona.

If they're going to be the villains of Blake's arc this season (which seems possible), then I wish the episode had better developed them. That way, the time spent on them would make more sense.

edited 4th Dec '16 2:04:06 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#42478: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:01:40 PM

Another thing is when the heck the White Fang had a pseudo-religious wing to it...

Also, another thing...it kinda seems 'Belladonna' as a name of major political figures in the Faunus movement is something that...MIGHT be recognized? Kinda wonder why Blake just signed up for Beacon using it.

edited 4th Dec '16 2:02:58 PM by Lightysnake

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#42479: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:05:01 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]We shouldn't be too surprised we already know that the current leadership is a triumverate. Three leaders took over from the old leader and changed the White Fang into the violent terrorist organisation it now is.

The idea that there were a mixture of peaceful and extremist factions in the White Fang, that the brothers try to claim to Ghira, didn't fit with what little we knew before about the change in direction. I can believe that the three leaders may have different motives and end-games to each other, but I don't believe it's something the rest of the organisation would know anything about, in other words, I don't believe it's peaceful White Fang versus violent White Fang - that conflict already happened five years before the show started. However, Khan clearly wants the old (peaceful) leader to think there's a peaceful wing of the White Fang still remaining. The question is, why?

edited 4th Dec '16 2:06:37 PM by Wyldchyld

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#42480: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:06:24 PM

[up][up]It's possible that it's a common name, similar to "Smith".

Either that... or same reason why the writers of Code Geass had Lelouch stick to his birthname and his mother's surname i.e. simplicity.

edited 4th Dec '16 2:06:49 PM by SaintDeltora

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#42481: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:06:56 PM

I assume it has a sound in Menagerie, but not - say - in Vale.

Something that's been bugging me; we have Salem in contact with The Supreme El Commandante of White Fang... so why were Cinder & Goons sent over to Adam to win him over?

Like, was he just too rowdy to listen to a general directive? (assuming Salem has been gathering her contacts for a while now, or at least until Ghira resigned and Khan filled in for him) Was he somehow the "good" guy out of Fang branches?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#42482: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:07:13 PM

It's entirely possible, even probable that Ghira commands significant respect in the organization and Sienna Khan does not want him interfering for that reason.

[up] Adam might just have been 'closest.' He might also be the leader of the militant wing

edited 4th Dec '16 2:10:55 PM by Lightysnake

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42483: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:08:08 PM

I had completely forgotten Sun and his interactions with Blake over the last 2 seasons, and I have yet to see the newest episode. I'm not gonna defend a character so underwhelming I can't even remember him.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#42484: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:09:42 PM

[up][up][up]The Doylist answer would be "because Sienna Khan was just invented". I suppose in-universe it could be that Adam was contacted first and that he was the one who then introduced Cinder et al to Sienna.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#42485: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:10:07 PM

There's no reason to defend him if you haven't seen the episode yet anyway...

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#42486: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:11:04 PM

I just wish that, given how much time we spent with them, Fennec and Corsac had developed some personality. As is they just come off like "standard villain #1000".

Standard introduction. In most stories, you only learn a character's personality over time, not in the first ten seconds. It was a very short conversation scene, and they were putting on a show for Ghira, and I've got an impression they've got a twin-thing going on with their personalities (I hope not, personally, but I get that vibe).

My initial take of them is that they're like Cinder - something unexpected occurred, so they feel they've got the authority to adapt on the fly to make use of it, and so they do. Cinder was a generic, bog-standard villain, too. She's only become more interesting since we saw her wounds and since it was revealed that she seems to be at the bottom of the villain totem pole (although this last revelation was one plenty of us expected anyway).

My guess is that the brothers don't like Adam and think they can use Blake to manipulate him. If so, they don't really seem to be wrong, given what we've seen to date.

edited 4th Dec '16 2:13:22 PM by Wyldchyld

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#42487: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:12:10 PM

Cinder's still bog-standard. She hasn't gotten more interesting since her injury—at least not to me.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#42488: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:12:59 PM

    Chapter 5: Menagerie 

  • So the White Fang has a splinter faction. Interesting. Good to see those two guys from the intro aren't evil dicks oh snap they're evil dicks.
  • Menagerie seems like a nice place. A nice, homely town committed to old-fashioned values and community service, a place to start a furry family of your own. The picturesqueness and the strong family bonding in this episode really brings out the racism and years of oppression the Faunus have endured.
    • I feel like this arc would work a lot better if it were focused purely on the contrast between Weiss's ideal, unhappy home life and Blake's distant, albeit comforting family.
  • I guess Adam really was just using Blake for personal gain, cozying up to the commander's daughter like that. 99 percent sure this is another endorsement for Bumblebee.
  • I feel like Blake's mom is going to get shipped is going to set records in the shipping community.
  • And Dad-Belladonna's shoulders look... too big for his body. Or it's the coat.
  • Upskirt of the waitress, classy.
  • KIMBLEE TYRIAN LANNISTER. Don't kill the Waitress! She has too much rule 34 already for her to be killed this early!
    • Okay I gush about this character sure but I really don't know how this character functions in society. He seems too mentally unstable. That, or the inn must have been empty.

This episode felt short.

edited 4th Dec '16 9:26:48 PM by Soble

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#42489: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:14:00 PM

[up][up] Yes, she is still an ordinary villain.

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#42490: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:14:57 PM

[up][up] I don't think he exists within any society beyond "Salem's Murder Club".

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42491: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:16:46 PM

[up]x4 Some people like her more because she actually emotes now, so that's a plus.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#42492: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:18:42 PM

I imagine a world like Remnant could provide a lot of outlets for a clever sadist, as killing Grimm isn't frowned upon. Such a method of 'venting; would even be condoned by society.

The problem is Tyrian seems to be...beyond that.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#42493: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:19:41 PM

@Soble

Yeah sending Tyrian out hunting is a somewhat questionable decision in that, if the authorities come investigating, people are definitely going to remember him. And despite what he might think, you can't just kill every possible witness.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#42494: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:20:13 PM

I'm getting religious undertones from the whole WF, at least this branch here ("Brother Adam" feels like a cult).

Yes, it does seem a bit cultish, but it fits with something that occurred back in Volume 1 as well. When Blake confronted Roman and the White Fang at the docks, she took off her ribbon and said "Brothers of the White Fang!" to announce herself. I marked that because I got a cult vibe from her announcement then - just a few moments beforehand, Sun outright described the White Fang as a cult to Blake, who looked extremely upset by the description.

I therefore think the cult overtones are deliberate. The association was made back in Volume 1 by a Faunus who was an outsider to the organisation. Fennec and Corsac basically give us a good sign that Sun's description is spot on.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42495: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:24:22 PM

Stalking them for months when they're mentally traumatized and then refusing to stop touching them when they clearly don't seem to be enjoying it is another thing entirely. And yes, it probably wouldn't be the same, as nobody else has expressed the interest in Blake that Sun has so far. Context changes things. If it was, say, I dunno, Sage going along because he wanted to help fight Blake's enemies, it wouldn't be nearly so desperate or creepy as Sun's been.

Really? So, if Ruby had been following Blake, under the logic that she would most likely try and give her the slip if she found her and she wants to help her because she's traumatized and wanted to help her, that would also be creepy?

And seeing how she didn't actually express discomfort with him touching her, just him not taking the situation seriously, and he straight up asks her why she isn't doing this with her friends, I doubt this is about being alone with her.

Yes, I'm aware context changes things, but you also need context for why a character would be willing to do this. Outside of Team RWBY or maybe JNPR (who all have other stories) he's the only one with enough interest to do this. Context is a two way street like that.

edited 4th Dec '16 2:26:56 PM by LSBK

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#42496: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:24:30 PM

[up]It's something that got left at the wayside with Adam, but then again, I'm not sure Adam really gives a damn about the Faunus in general.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42497: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:26:55 PM

There's no reason to defend him if you haven't seen the episode yet anyway...

I was punctuating how little there is to defend, from my point of view.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42498: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:30:12 PM

[up]For me it's not even really about defending Sun.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#42499: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:33:15 PM

[up][up][up]Adam's behaviour has seemed a little odd where the White Fang are concerned. He acts to Cinder like the White Fang lives matter when he's 'recruited' to her cause (and perhaps even the news that the White Fang bug out to escape the Grimm Dragon during the battle of Beacon), but he also acts like he doesn't care about White Fang lives (his determination to keep them working with Cinder despite the Faunus deaths at the end of Volume 2).

Dominance and submission seems to be a big thing with Adam. Cinder forced him to submit, so he's loyal. He cannot force Blake to submit to him, so he's vengeful. He doesn't want Faunus equality, he wants humanity subjugated at best (wiped out at worst). So ordinary White Fang are useful to him so long as they submit (and stay alive) but, if they're dead, he just moves on.

I wonder if the defection = death is a widespread White Fang rule or just Adam's wing. It fits with Adam's nature. Then again, what I'm getting from the Khan threads is that Adam is the physical brute while Khan is the manipulator.

Remember, while everyone's acting like Khan is the actual leader of the White Fang, there are three leaders and the cat-shaped silhouette was not the grinning central figure. Khan is not the top of the White Fang food chain. There's still another leader to reveal, and that one will be the true authority of the White Fang - whether or not that's publicly known. And whomever this third leader is, they'll be worse than Khan or Adam.

edited 4th Dec '16 2:38:40 PM by Wyldchyld

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42500: Dec 4th 2016 at 2:38:38 PM

I'm curious how Blake and Adam's relationship started. Well, she called him her mentor but where does that come from, how far back do they go.


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