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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#42451: Dec 4th 2016 at 12:01:18 PM

Is he being treated like here boyfriend or as a boy, who there is clearly something going on with, but the specifics aren't certain? Because he's definitely the latter.
Both I guess? Sun's not actually Blake's boyfriend, but the meeting with her parents is written as if he was (he embarrassed himself in front of her dad with an Accidental Innuendo, dad clearly does not like him, etc.).

edited 4th Dec '16 12:03:38 PM by Karxrida

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42452: Dec 4th 2016 at 12:03:24 PM

It seems like pretty typical writing for either situation to me. And there is something going on there so there's no point in pretending there isn't.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#42453: Dec 4th 2016 at 12:44:24 PM

@Ambar The fact that you complained about Sun in the first place is what started this, you can't blame Black Sun for responding.

Given that the topic was already kicked out of this thread once, and then kicked out of the next thread, it's better not to keep bringing it up. Which doesn't mean you getting to complain without any responses. It means not bringing it up to begin with.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#42454: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:05:33 PM

I mean, if you didn't see your daughter in a while and then she brings home a boy...like how else are you going to read the situation?

I talk as someone with a younger sister and has seen this.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42455: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:08:31 PM

Speaking of which, though she hadn't seen them in awhile they knew she was in Vale, so I guess she still called in every now and then.

Blake being the Faunus equivalent of Weiss is oddly fitting.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#42456: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:14:06 PM

It makes a lot of sense in hindsight

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#42457: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:30:32 PM

The fact that you complained about Sun in the first place is what started this, you can't blame Black Sun for responding.

Sure I can. Everyone in this thread has, at some point, made a one-off complaint about something in an episode that they did not like, and for the most part, those don't turn into arguments. I didn't write an essay about how Sun is still a sexist creep; I made a one-sentence remark about how he doesn't seem to be getting better. This is worthy impetus for an argument why?

Given that the topic was already kicked out of this thread once, and then kicked out of the next thread, it's better not to keep bringing it up. Which doesn't mean you getting to complain without any responses. It means not bringing it up to begin with.

Right, so the people who don't like Sun have to just shut up because others do? What a load of BS that is, especially in light of all the complaints about the rest of the cast that people bring up with impunity. The conversation got shut down because it went on forever without a resolution and was causing other discussions to be ignored, not because the statement that Sun's behaviour was uncomfortable somehow violates forum policy.

I stated that Sun wasn't acting like as much of a prick in this episode, but that we're still a long way from me liking him. That's not reigniting an argument; that's my commentary on what happened in this episode and where I still stand on the character. Black Sun Nocturne then did a post about how Sun is totally not sexist and did nothing wrong previously. Do you see the difference there? It's the equivalent of me responding to the non-stop (and very tired) "Blake is lame" jokes with a defense of her performance and character up to this point—something I have not done previously, despite my general liking of the character, because you guys get to think she's lame, and it's not worth fighting about. It's rather a shame that you apparently cannot pay me the same courtesy.

We all get to have things we like and dislike about the show, and we all get to complain about them. That means I get to state that Sun hasn't redeemed himself in my eyes, and it means the rest of you get to crack as many jokes about Blake as you damn well please. And as long as we're all tolerant of one another's opinions and don't take one-off comments as an impetus to start an argument we'll get along fine.

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#42458: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:32:05 PM

'hat whole scene with the two White Fang goons was pointless. We as the audience already know that Sienna Khan is working with Salem. The only reason to have that scene would be if Khan's allegiances weren't what Salem thinks they are—but the reaction of the two creeps demonstrates that the Fang is absolutely working with Salem (and Adam)'

But it wasn't.Its showed that Sienna Khan's more violent operations as well as his/her alliance with Salem,isn't common knowledge among particular sections of the White Fang.

He/She seems to be keeping a good image on Menagerie by labeling Adam and his followers as a rouge faction operating on there own so that he/she doesnt get blowback. Kinda like Black Op group.

edited 4th Dec '16 1:35:50 PM by DeanCole

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#42459: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:35:37 PM

I'm just noting it really bothered me that Sun decides to put his hands all over Blake again.

Given her father's reaction, I can't help but wonder if this's meant to be a bit...meta? I mean, not much to really discuss this week, but Sun's descent into a loathsome jackass seems to be continuing.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#42461: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:38:35 PM

[up][up][up]There are better ways to do that, I think. Like having her dad already in discussion with those guys when she gets home. They leave, she talks to her dad, he doesn't believe her. All the same information in a fraction of the time.

As is, that scene gives us a lot of talking for comparatively limited info. It's rather like the Qrow/Raven scene from the previous episode in that regard (though with less cryptic blather at least).

I enjoy RWBY, but it's writers do not seem to have a great idea of how to prioritize their limited screentime. When you've only got a few hours in a season, you need to make the most of it, and in this season in particular they don't seem to be doing it very well.

I do have hopes for next episode though, based on Tyrian's appearance at the end. Hopefully that means he's about to catch up to Ruby and the others.

@LSBK

He touched her a few times in the episode. It didn't bother me honestly, since the context was different, but I can see why Lighty isn't happy with it given what happened last time.

Personally, I just want Sun to do something to justify his presence in the plot line at this point. When I said he hadn't redeemed himself, I didn't just mean that he hadn't made up for last time, I meant that he hasn't done anything to improve the story by being there. He's mostly been an excuse for Blake to exposit—something that could be handled just as easily via Show, Don't Tell if he wasn't there.

edited 4th Dec '16 1:40:54 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#42462: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:38:44 PM

Ghira seems to be echoing a lot of people who've stopped liking Sun in the last few weeks. He's like the one character I'll spot Adam.

I'm also hoping for Tyrian vs. Qrow relatively soon. I kind of doubt Ruby and team will be able to stand against one of Salem's elites.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#42463: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:38:55 PM

I enjoyed this ep.

Also, RWBY parents I like:

  • Ghira
  • Kali
  • Taiyang

RWBY Parents I hate:

  • Raven
  • Jacques

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#42464: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:42:14 PM

I'll be curious to see how RWBY's crew handle themselves against Tyrian (provided it happens relatively soon). I don't think they have any narrative right to defeat him, but I'll be interested in if it's close or a complete stomp.

Also, any bets on if RWBY's Silver Eye thing manifests again in combat with him?

[up]Of the last two, I find I hate Raven far more (at least so far; who knows what Jacques will do next time we see him). Of course part of that is my mounting dread that the show is going to ask me to sympathize with her at some point, and that's just not going to happen.

edited 4th Dec '16 1:44:40 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42465: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:45:04 PM

Honest question are we just taking any physical contact between the two as Sun making sexual advances now? I know that might sound sarcastic but at this point I'm genuinely getting lost here how that gets read from something like him just putting his hand on her shoulder.

edited 4th Dec '16 1:47:00 PM by LSBK

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#42466: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:46:52 PM

Well you can't say "we" are since so far only two people, Lightysnake and myself, have commented on that, and we have, as noted above, somewhat different opinions on that matter.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42467: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:48:19 PM

It was more than just you two before. And if something like him putting his hand on her shoulder annoys you, I feel like I'm going to need to ask about that.

And since they're probably going to be together for awhile I'm not really sure how the conversation can just go away entirely.

edited 4th Dec '16 1:49:41 PM by LSBK

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#42468: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:50:50 PM

In isolation, it wouldn't be an issue. The fact that Sun has been doing this whole 'physical contact' thing in addition to everything, in context, turns this from a comradely gesture into creepy and desperate. Sun has been getting super handsy every chance he gets, and after Blake has made it clear she doesn't like, appreciate or reciprocate this, Sun is continuing to do so without any regard for her consent or personal space. It's not just "oh, this guy just pat her back" it's "the guy who keeps going this won't stop."

I';m not saying Sun is an irredeemable creep or anything, but his behavior this entire season has been really less than ideal and he isn't showing any sign of stopping or even acknowledging it.

Now, the political situation with Menagerie is interesting, and Blake's parents are quite likable....the most interesting thing is the hook with Tyrian, as Josh Grelle plays a terrific psychopath.

edited 4th Dec '16 1:52:11 PM by Lightysnake

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42469: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:52:17 PM

I'm pretty sure Sun would be like that with any friend in a situation like this. He just seems like that kind of guy.

We've had discussions before how him having a romantic interests in Blake adds an extra dimension to things, but at this point I can't help but think it's being read a little too much into his behavior.

Like, even back in episode 3 it seemed more like her being annoyed with him being goofy given the situation than him touching her. But, um, maybe I've made this go on longer than it should have for now.

edited 4th Dec '16 1:55:36 PM by LSBK

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#42470: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:53:54 PM

There are better ways to do that, I think. Like having her dad already in discussion with those guys when she gets home. They leave, she talks to her dad, he doesn't believe her. All the same information in a fraction of the time. As is, that scene gives us a lot of talking for comparatively limited info. It's rather like the Qrow/Raven scene from the previous episode in that regard (though with less cryptic blather at least). I enjoy RWBY, but it's writers do not seem to have a great idea of how to prioritize their limited screentime. When you've only got a few hours in a season, you need to make the most of it, and in this season in particular they don't seem to be doing it very well.
The thing is the characters still need to be characters.You would still have to put in time to show the the parents are happy that their daughter is home.As well as introduce the parents themseves Otherwise to seem like chess piece stroytelling

edited 4th Dec '16 1:57:33 PM by DeanCole

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#42471: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:54:01 PM

So I'm seeing a lot of Doomed Hometown flags here. That and/or Blake's parents won't survive the volume since they're now pretty clearly Adam's next targets.

My guess is that Fennec and Corsac are setting up both Adam and Ghira. By telling Adam that Blake is home, they know Adam will attack Menagerie. At that point, Khan gets to sweep in, saving Menagerie (and the Belladonna family). Khan comes out looking like the good guy, which gets Ghira more willing to trust Khan's apparent wish to prevent the White Fang from becoming too violent, which feeds whatever plot Khan has going on that requires Ghira to trust him (because clearly that's what Fennec and Corsac wanted Ghira to do).

Given that Salem doesn't seem to trust Khan's motives either, it looks like Khan might be a bit of a wildcard - playing both sides as much as they can while pursuing a personal agenda.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#42472: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:55:02 PM

Well, Tobias summed him up well, IMO as Mr. Grabby McYouKnowYouWantMe with how he was acting. He shows no concern for Blake's wishes or boundaries, invites himself along, makes a constant idiot of himself and won't stop putting his hands on her. There's also never been much to him having feelings for her but "she's hot and I want her" which is being handed terribly.

As it stands now, he's an unlikable stalker creep, whose presence seems tolerated at best.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#42473: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:56:03 PM

@LSBK

Well I can only speak for myself here. I don't think Sun did anything particularly wrong in this episode, I just also don't think he did anything to make me change my opinion from last time either. He was mostly there to be the recipient of exposition from Blake, and a source of awkward comic relief. It wasn't offensive, but it didn't earn him any points either.

Side note, but am I the only one who would like to see a human/faunus pairing in the show? Not necessarily Blake and someone, but any cross-species relationship. Be a nice case study in getting past the racial barrier.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42474: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:57:33 PM

[up][up]So most teenagers interest in wanting to get to know somebody (or hell, just most people in general) is terrible? How is "this person is attractive and seems cool" a particularly bad reason to want to get to know them better?

Honestly, if it were anyone else but him following her (on the good guys side) I can't believe the reaction would be the same way. It just seems like you going out of your way to frame everything in the worst light possible.

Wow...Bakugou discussion flashbacks.

edited 4th Dec '16 1:59:55 PM by LSBK

FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#42475: Dec 4th 2016 at 1:57:59 PM

I'm mostly disappointed that it feels like there isn't much of diversity in White Fang. The dudes proclaimed Adam's branch to be a rogue faction and that they don't condone him, but then they go right back to giggling and going "let's be ebil~". Eh.

The ep was good, but I guess I'm just easily pleased. Menagerie does appear more crowded than, say, Vale, even if the show limitations aren't quite doing it justice. Sun seems okay. Everybody has that one friend that acts like Sun, I think. Parents seem like alright people, though it does appear that Ghira holds some sort of power that WF finds useful since they court him so (or maybe it's just because he's ex-Fang and thus with greater influence). I'm getting religious undertones from the whole WF, at least this branch here ("Brother Adam" feels like a cult).

I assume the next ep will be either a showdown with Tyrian or SDC's concert, maybe divided between the two.


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