@Ambar The fact that you complained about Sun in the first place is what started this, you can't blame Black Sun for responding.
Given that the topic was already kicked out of this thread once, and then kicked out of the next thread, it's better not to keep bringing it up. Which doesn't mean you getting to complain without any responses. It means not bringing it up to begin with.
Sure I can. Everyone in this thread has, at some point, made a one-off complaint about something in an episode that they did not like, and for the most part, those don't turn into arguments. I didn't write an essay about how Sun is still a sexist creep; I made a one-sentence remark about how he doesn't seem to be getting better. This is worthy impetus for an argument why?
Right, so the people who don't like Sun have to just shut up because others do? What a load of BS that is, especially in light of all the complaints about the rest of the cast that people bring up with impunity. The conversation got shut down because it went on forever without a resolution and was causing other discussions to be ignored, not because the statement that Sun's behaviour was uncomfortable somehow violates forum policy.
I stated that Sun wasn't acting like as much of a prick in this episode, but that we're still a long way from me liking him. That's not reigniting an argument; that's my commentary on what happened in this episode and where I still stand on the character. Black Sun Nocturne then did a post about how Sun is totally not sexist and did nothing wrong previously. Do you see the difference there? It's the equivalent of me responding to the non-stop (and very tired) "Blake is lame" jokes with a defense of her performance and character up to this point—something I have not done previously, despite my general liking of the character, because you guys get to think she's lame, and it's not worth fighting about. It's rather a shame that you apparently cannot pay me the same courtesy.
We all get to have things we like and dislike about the show, and we all get to complain about them. That means I get to state that Sun hasn't redeemed himself in my eyes, and it means the rest of you get to crack as many jokes about Blake as you damn well please. And as long as we're all tolerant of one another's opinions and don't take one-off comments as an impetus to start an argument we'll get along fine.
But it wasn't.Its showed that Sienna Khan's more violent operations as well as his/her alliance with Salem,isn't common knowledge among particular sections of the White Fang.
He/She seems to be keeping a good image on Menagerie by labeling Adam and his followers as a rouge faction operating on there own so that he/she doesnt get blowback. Kinda like Black Op group.
edited 4th Dec '16 1:35:50 PM by DeanCole
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There are better ways to do that, I think. Like having her dad already in discussion with those guys when she gets home. They leave, she talks to her dad, he doesn't believe her. All the same information in a fraction of the time.
As is, that scene gives us a lot of talking for comparatively limited info. It's rather like the Qrow/Raven scene from the previous episode in that regard (though with less cryptic blather at least).
I enjoy RWBY, but it's writers do not seem to have a great idea of how to prioritize their limited screentime. When you've only got a few hours in a season, you need to make the most of it, and in this season in particular they don't seem to be doing it very well.
I do have hopes for next episode though, based on Tyrian's appearance at the end. Hopefully that means he's about to catch up to Ruby and the others.
@LSBK
He touched her a few times in the episode. It didn't bother me honestly, since the context was different, but I can see why Lighty isn't happy with it given what happened last time.
Personally, I just want Sun to do something to justify his presence in the plot line at this point. When I said he hadn't redeemed himself, I didn't just mean that he hadn't made up for last time, I meant that he hasn't done anything to improve the story by being there. He's mostly been an excuse for Blake to exposit—something that could be handled just as easily via Show, Don't Tell if he wasn't there.
edited 4th Dec '16 1:40:54 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
I'll be curious to see how RWBY's crew handle themselves against Tyrian (provided it happens relatively soon). I don't think they have any narrative right to defeat him, but I'll be interested in if it's close or a complete stomp.
Also, any bets on if RWBY's Silver Eye thing manifests again in combat with him?
Of the last two, I find I hate Raven far more (at least so far; who knows what Jacques will do next time we see him). Of course part of that is my mounting dread that the show is going to ask me to sympathize with her at some point, and that's just not going to happen.
edited 4th Dec '16 1:44:40 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Honest question are we just taking any physical contact between the two as Sun making sexual advances now? I know that might sound sarcastic but at this point I'm genuinely getting lost here how that gets read from something like him just putting his hand on her shoulder.
edited 4th Dec '16 1:47:00 PM by LSBK
It was more than just you two before. And if something like him putting his hand on her shoulder annoys you, I feel like I'm going to need to ask about that.
And since they're probably going to be together for awhile I'm not really sure how the conversation can just go away entirely.
edited 4th Dec '16 1:49:41 PM by LSBK
In isolation, it wouldn't be an issue. The fact that Sun has been doing this whole 'physical contact' thing in addition to everything, in context, turns this from a comradely gesture into creepy and desperate. Sun has been getting super handsy every chance he gets, and after Blake has made it clear she doesn't like, appreciate or reciprocate this, Sun is continuing to do so without any regard for her consent or personal space. It's not just "oh, this guy just pat her back" it's "the guy who keeps going this won't stop."
I';m not saying Sun is an irredeemable creep or anything, but his behavior this entire season has been really less than ideal and he isn't showing any sign of stopping or even acknowledging it.
Now, the political situation with Menagerie is interesting, and Blake's parents are quite likable....the most interesting thing is the hook with Tyrian, as Josh Grelle plays a terrific psychopath.
edited 4th Dec '16 1:52:11 PM by Lightysnake
I'm pretty sure Sun would be like that with any friend in a situation like this. He just seems like that kind of guy.
We've had discussions before how him having a romantic interests in Blake adds an extra dimension to things, but at this point I can't help but think it's being read a little too much into his behavior.
Like, even back in episode 3 it seemed more like her being annoyed with him being goofy given the situation than him touching her. But, um, maybe I've made this go on longer than it should have for now.
edited 4th Dec '16 1:55:36 PM by LSBK
edited 4th Dec '16 1:57:33 PM by DeanCole
My guess is that Fennec and Corsac are setting up both Adam and Ghira. By telling Adam that Blake is home, they know Adam will attack Menagerie. At that point, Khan gets to sweep in, saving Menagerie (and the Belladonna family). Khan comes out looking like the good guy, which gets Ghira more willing to trust Khan's apparent wish to prevent the White Fang from becoming too violent, which feeds whatever plot Khan has going on that requires Ghira to trust him (because clearly that's what Fennec and Corsac wanted Ghira to do).
Given that Salem doesn't seem to trust Khan's motives either, it looks like Khan might be a bit of a wildcard - playing both sides as much as they can while pursuing a personal agenda.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Well, Tobias summed him up well, IMO as Mr. Grabby McYouKnowYouWantMe with how he was acting. He shows no concern for Blake's wishes or boundaries, invites himself along, makes a constant idiot of himself and won't stop putting his hands on her. There's also never been much to him having feelings for her but "she's hot and I want her" which is being handed terribly.
As it stands now, he's an unlikable stalker creep, whose presence seems tolerated at best.
@LSBK
Well I can only speak for myself here. I don't think Sun did anything particularly wrong in this episode, I just also don't think he did anything to make me change my opinion from last time either. He was mostly there to be the recipient of exposition from Blake, and a source of awkward comic relief. It wasn't offensive, but it didn't earn him any points either.
Side note, but am I the only one who would like to see a human/faunus pairing in the show? Not necessarily Blake and someone, but any cross-species relationship. Be a nice case study in getting past the racial barrier.
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So most teenagers interest in wanting to get to know somebody (or hell, just most people in general) is terrible? How is "this person is attractive and seems cool" a particularly bad reason to want to get to know them better?
Honestly, if it were anyone else but him following her (on the good guys side) I can't believe the reaction would be the same way. It just seems like you going out of your way to frame everything in the worst light possible.
Wow...Bakugou discussion flashbacks.
edited 4th Dec '16 1:59:55 PM by LSBK
I'm mostly disappointed that it feels like there isn't much of diversity in White Fang. The dudes proclaimed Adam's branch to be a rogue faction and that they don't condone him, but then they go right back to giggling and going "let's be ebil~". Eh.
The ep was good, but I guess I'm just easily pleased. Menagerie does appear more crowded than, say, Vale, even if the show limitations aren't quite doing it justice. Sun seems okay. Everybody has that one friend that acts like Sun, I think. Parents seem like alright people, though it does appear that Ghira holds some sort of power that WF finds useful since they court him so (or maybe it's just because he's ex-Fang and thus with greater influence). I'm getting religious undertones from the whole WF, at least this branch here ("Brother Adam" feels like a cult).
I assume the next ep will be either a showdown with Tyrian or SDC's concert, maybe divided between the two.

edited 4th Dec '16 12:03:38 PM by Karxrida