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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#42426: Dec 3rd 2016 at 8:52:37 PM

I meant to direct that at Rhyme Beat. Their post didn't seem to spoil much about the episode's plot, other than revealing that the animation of crowds was apparently sloppy.

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#42427: Dec 3rd 2016 at 8:58:37 PM

Because it contrasted with the plot details of the episode.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42428: Dec 3rd 2016 at 9:01:06 PM

I can already tell this is going to be a big thing when we're all talking unspoilered, and I'm probably going to be on the side of "overreaction". But that can be fun, I guess.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#42429: Dec 3rd 2016 at 9:01:59 PM

Oh wow, people actually spoiler things here...

That's very surprising.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#42430: Dec 3rd 2016 at 9:02:26 PM

Nah see normally I'm the one who's all "spoiler-tag stuff people! I haven't seen it yet!" I just didn't see RB's post relating to the episode's plot much. No big whoop.

edited 4th Dec '16 9:26:33 AM by Soble

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#42431: Dec 3rd 2016 at 9:30:02 PM

My philosophy is generally better safe than sorry.

So now that I've seen the whole episode (my computer has a nasty habit right now of blacking out when uplugged due to effectively no battery) I can say that I'm curious about how this whole White Fang radicalization happened. It appears that the shift primarily came when Gira stepped down as leader of the organization so this Pom person is likely the source of this. Wonder what happened there?

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#42432: Dec 4th 2016 at 7:15:32 AM

Ha-hah! Someone else finally rooting for the black silhouettes the show used to use! Yes!
I liked them too, personally. I thought it was hilarious that they were just that blatant about "yeah, these are background characters, they don't matter".

edited 4th Dec '16 7:15:49 AM by NativeJovian

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MrTerrorist Since: Aug, 2009
#42433: Dec 4th 2016 at 8:39:52 AM

Menagerie reminds me of Malaysia, especially the older villages. So Blake is not only rich but is the daughter of the former leader of the White Fang. That explains how she got into the White Fang in the first place.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42434: Dec 4th 2016 at 8:49:40 AM

And seeing the episode, yeah, I don't get Karxida's reaction. Blake wasn't "preaching" she was explaining exactly why the Menagerie situation didn't fix anything.

And saying "all the people looked happy" doesn't mean much when most of them were probably born there and have to make due with their lives. Just because a group is discriminated against doesn't mean every waking moment has to be miserable.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#42435: Dec 4th 2016 at 9:12:45 AM

Just seen the episode.

Called it.

I knew Blake would be the daughter of the old White Fang leader, and that he was probably now the Menagerie leader instead. Last part of my theory is that he's an old friend of Ozpin's and the Cowardly Lion, so waiting for those two bits to be confirmed or refuted.

edited 4th Dec '16 9:13:25 AM by Wyldchyld

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#42436: Dec 4th 2016 at 9:31:54 AM

[up] I thought we agreed that Winter was the Cowardly Lion :V

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#42437: Dec 4th 2016 at 9:37:44 AM

[up] Got no clue who everyone else thought was the Cowardly Lion, but I was always expecting it to be the old White Fang leader.

A friend of mine asked a question which made me lose it laughing.

"Wait, if Yang lost her arm, how did she put her hair in a ponytail?"

Your friend and I would get along. That's been bugging me a lot about Yang's new look.

I resolved the issue by concluding that Zwei is clearly doing her hair for her every morning.

edited 4th Dec '16 9:40:39 AM by Wyldchyld

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#42439: Dec 4th 2016 at 10:53:11 AM

I've already explained that my issue is the continued violation of Show, Don't Tell with Blake being the main mouthpiece for it. I was hoping that they'd improve on that, but instead the show continues to be horrible about presenting an extremely important plot point and character motivation.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#42440: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:03:31 AM

And once more the plot goes nowhere. That whole scene with the two White Fang goons was pointless. We as the audience already know that Sienna Khan is working with Salem. The only reason to have that scene would be if Khan's allegiances weren't what Salem thinks they are—but the reaction of the two creeps demonstrates that the Fang is absolutely working with Salem (and Adam).

Also Sun continues to be treated like Blake's boyfriend. Gag. He was less awful in this episode, but didn't really do anything to redeem himself either.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42441: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:13:41 AM

[up]Is he being treated like here boyfriend or as a boy, who there is clearly something going on with, but the specifics aren't certain? Because he's definitely the latter.

Maybe I should leave it alone but what exactly is he supposed to do to "redeem" himself? Looking over ep 3 again, nothing he did really struck me as being inappropriate because it was sexual, it was inappropriate because of the goofing around while fighting a giant Grimm.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#42442: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:15:00 AM

[up]People think he needs to redeem himself by apologizing for sexually harassing and stalking Blake (note: he doesn't because he didn't)

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42443: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:17:54 AM

[up]I mean, he definitely did the stalking, and I can get being annoyed with that trope even if it makes sense in context.

But I mentioned it because I think I let people's opinions here color my perception of the situation and then looking back I went "wait, where is all the sexual harassment exactly?" They had psychical contact but none of it struck me as particularly sexual. The closet thing was his smirk before he caught her in his arms.

Basically, I was annoyed with him during the episode, but I was annoyed for the same reason Blake was: because he was hiding from her longer than was necessary and goofing around during a serious fight.

edited 4th Dec '16 11:19:16 AM by LSBK

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#42444: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:23:53 AM

Got the I Knew It! out of my system, so some thoughts on the episode.

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  • Menagerie is cramped and overpopulated because most of the island is a dangerous, uninhabitable desert. More Australia associations. Vacuo's an easy life compared to Menagerie's desert. More threats to introduce. Kangaroo Grimm! Camel Grimm! We're going to have some kind of monster based on the Rainbow Serpent!
  • We at least can see the houses are built is a mess very close to each other and are small, so there is some attempt to show us the crowding. Given that, however, the Belladonna residence must seem positively obscene. I wonder how the Belladonna family is actually viewed. Given the relative standards, the Belladonna - while more homey in appearance and feel - is pretty much the Menagerie equivalent of the Schnee residence.
  • Mum is called Kali - a Hindu mother goddess that brings liberation by destroying evil. Expect Blake's mother to be a terror in battle. Kali is also connected to time... since time is a thing in RWBY and associated with Ozpin.
  • Dad is Ghira - obvious guess is Bagheera, the panther from the Jungle Book who was born in an Indian menagerie and whose cunning allowed him to escape from the humans into the jungle. He's probably going to be like Shiva peaceful and gentle, but capable of great rage and destruction when pushed.
  • Mum likes Sun and Dad doesn't like Sun. That's fairly standard storytelling for boys that are hanging around daughters.
  • Information to Menagerie appears to be limited: they have heard of the fall of Beacon but not that the White Fang was involved, so they don't know any details.
  • The White Fang clearly have a use for Ghira and are trying to play him for a fool, but that implies they do need him for something and they need him to think that Sienna Khan and Adam Taurus are working against each other.
  • The political play between Sienna Khan's messengers and Ghira is another Jungle Book reference. Bagheera had the respect of the entire jungle for his cunning, ferocity and wisdom. Except for Shere Khan, who was too arrogant to respect Bagheera. The White Fang clearly don't respect Ghira, but they do need him for something.
  • Fennec and Corsac are brothers. The fennec is a Saharan desert fox with large ears, and is the smallest known canid. The Corsac is a Central Asian semi-desert fox. Fennec have extremely good hearing and are hard to catch, Corsac are excellent climbers but easy to catch. Fennec and Corsac both come from words meaning 'fox' (Arabic and Russian respectively).
  • Albain comes from the same root that gives us Albion, a name for Britain (originally) and Scotland (the one that stuck). It means white, so the two brothers are both called "white fox".
  • Fennec and Corsac will be representing the White Fang in Menagerie because we've just been told Menagerie is mostly desert. Look out for some dodgy White Fang activities in the desert where other Faunus don't go.
  • Blake's presence in Menagerie will put Menagerie in danger. The brothers are going to tell Adam because they want Khan's forces to sweep in, stop Adam, protecting Menagerie in the process to make sure Menagerie (particularly Ghira) is fully behind Khan - who will come out of this looking like the good guy. The question is, given that even Salem isn't entirely certain what's going on with Khan, is what Khan's actual motives and long-term goals may be. Let's all watch out for Khan.
  • When the Goddess Kali entered battle, she wore the skin of a tiger, so perhaps Sienna Khan might want to keep an eye on Blake's mother... just in case!
  • And Tyrian turns up at the inn that Qrow and Raven were in, confronting the one barmaid who saw the two of them. That inn was on the opposite side of the street to the one Team RNJR stayed in.

edited 4th Dec '16 3:02:09 PM by Wyldchyld

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#42445: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:35:55 AM

People think he needs to redeem himself by apologizing for sexually harassing and stalking Blake (note: he doesn't because he didn't)

Except he totally did those things.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#42446: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:37:45 AM

Ambar, if I could make two suggestions:

1) Don't start this shit again.

2) If you're going to keep talking about a lack of plot development, maybe it'd be for the best if you stop watching RWBY for a while after the mid-season break ends then binge a few episodes in a row later so things MIGHT have a better flow?

edited 4th Dec '16 11:37:58 AM by TheMageofFire

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#42447: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:41:22 AM

So I'm seeing a lot of Doomed Hometown flags here. That and/or Blake's parents won't survive the volume since they're now pretty clearly Adam's next targets.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#42448: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:43:17 AM

[up][up]I like how I'm the one being told not to start things, when it was Black Sun Nocturne who made a post taking shots at anyone who thinks Sun's behaviour was inappropriate. Tell you all what—if no one insists on saying Sun did nothing wrong when I complain about him in my posts, I won't need to detail what I think he did do wrong. I don't spend my time making debating you guys every time someone makes a "Blake is the worst thing since Jar-Jar" post.

As to your second point—no. That the show is moving as slowly as it is, is a writing flaw. That said flaw might be less noticeable once the entire show is out does not make it less frustrating now—nor will it make those scenes less pointless.

edited 4th Dec '16 11:59:17 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#42449: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:46:42 AM

[up][up]Blake brought that upon herself. [lol]

Adam: I will destroy everything you love. -maims Yang-
Blake: Shit, he's serious. Better go home to my parents and now make them a target because I'm the smartest idiot around.

edited 4th Dec '16 11:49:24 AM by BlackSunNocturne

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42450: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:48:14 AM

[up]To be fair, I doubt she plans on staying long. She said she wanted to take care of some things first, and then presumably, she's going to go back to fighting somehow.


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