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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#42276: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:02:02 AM

Well here's the thing: If we define "sentient, living being" as "having a soul" (which is unquantifiable in real life), then Penny is, as she has an Aura.

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#42277: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:34:55 AM

Penny made it easier because by exposing her publically as a robot, it makes Atlas look even worse, which is great because they were the chosen aggressors of the situation.

Otherwise engineering a ring death wouldn't be that much harder with a non robot, but it wouldn't make Atlas look suspicious for sneaking a robot into the school in a human form.

Still though, by the time of SSSN and NDGO Cinder already had a good idea of who to use, so that match was probably untampered by her, as it really didn't matter who won, and even though Sun advanced to the finals he didn't get to fight before it all fell apart.

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#42278: Nov 26th 2016 at 8:05:09 AM

edited 26th Nov '16 10:10:12 AM by TPPR10

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#42279: Nov 26th 2016 at 10:07:45 AM

Again, Cinder didn't know she was going to use Penny at the time of SSSN vs. NDGO. For all we know, Cinder planned to use a member of NDGO in Penny's place at that time.

EDIT:

After all, NDGO was from Vacuo, which ended up relatively untarnished, but Atlas would have still been easy to tarnish if Penny was replaced by a Vacuo student. As such, using a Vacuo student would have had extra advantages.

edited 26th Nov '16 10:09:58 AM by Sereg

Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#42280: Nov 26th 2016 at 10:50:37 AM

All of this has effectively provided me yet another example of why vagueness is often a bad idea. That book I read that vagueness oftens robs us of the very things that would hook us is right. [lol]

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TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#42281: Nov 26th 2016 at 11:28:22 AM

Cinder rigging the match against Penny was, as one of the characters on Babylon Five would put it, "a bank shot": Penny was a wild card. Her main weapon probably wouldn't kill Cinder after she got the Fall Maiden's power but it wouldn't tickle either. Plus Ember's power wouldn't work on a robot. That Penny was in the form of a little girl was a plus. Take her out and Pyrra gets PTSD, Cinder gets to make a breaking speech and what would normally be a powerful character is taken off the board.

@ Vol.4 Ep 4: Interesting that Raven puts her tribal loyalty over working with Qrow. In another parallel/Shout-Out to Top Gun we see that Yang is still trying to come to grips with her injury. It took Maverick a while to get over the death of his Guy in Back. Yang's character development continues a pace.

edited 26th Nov '16 11:48:53 AM by TairaMai

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#42282: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:07:11 PM

I'm so glad to see Yang laughing again. Next up is her training arc, and hopefully after that she completely annihilates Adam.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#42283: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:10:10 PM

Defeats him in a fair fight...evenly.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#42284: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:10:54 PM

So long as he loses, annihilation or evenly, it doesn't matter to me.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42285: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:17:49 PM

I always hate "the bad guy beat the good guy fairly so I want a curbstomp". It just comes off as...lazy, I guess, a lot of the time.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#42286: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:39:43 PM

Hey it's no big deal, I'm not asking for much.

Just for the blood of that bastard to spill across the floor

I mean hahaha that's nothing, right?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#42287: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:44:49 PM

That's nothing at all, just a little blood lust is always fine.

Someone should get the first taste though...

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42288: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:51:43 PM

Yeah, but it happening all the time makes for a dull story. I don't really think there are any villains here I'd be okay getting beaten by someone with no effort. Maybe that's just me but I don't think it's fitting here.

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#42289: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:11:38 PM

Then again, the battle with Yang and Adam was less of a fight than a man swatting a flu with a single slap. And the fly was Yang.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#42290: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:12:26 PM

It would be way to soon for Adam to lose an even fight, let alone a curbstomp. What's the point of introducing someone that strong just to invalidate it so quickly?

I don't think the series should do exponential power increases for the main cast because characters like P-Money, CFVY, teachers and full huntsman set a standard for what more experienced fighters have and then guys like Adam seem to be above even that from what we've seen. It's too early for the main cast to outpace everyone senior to them.

It'd be even worse than Blake vs Roman round 2.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#42291: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:17:07 PM

Quickly? That defeat would be in the final rematch, they just skipped over the unimportant stuff.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42292: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:46:05 PM

Blake vs. Roman 2 seemed pretty good to me. She pulled out a new trick before he could adjust and took him down quickly, like we assume she was trained to do.

edited 26th Nov '16 1:53:20 PM by LSBK

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#42293: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:50:30 PM

This explains a lot actually...

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#42294: Nov 26th 2016 at 2:41:29 PM

Well someone on the bad guy side needs to get stomped.

I'm starting to lose faith in goodness here. We need some justice beatdowns.

The more and more outgunned they make the heroes the more their inevitable victory in the end anyway (because this isn't that kind of show) will seem like a stretch.

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#42295: Nov 26th 2016 at 2:56:59 PM

The problem is that if they don't build up the bad guys first then beating them doesn't really mean much, and the current ones have been built up to the point where, considering the arcs of the good guys right now, it would be unrealistic for them to win just now.

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#42296: Nov 26th 2016 at 2:57:14 PM

You make it sound like the heroes are going to defeat all of the villains by the end of the volume or something. RWBY and JNR and get stronger before the final showdown, you know.

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#42297: Nov 26th 2016 at 3:04:10 PM

Tyrian is set up for failure, I presume, considering he's gunning for RNJR.

Whether the failure will be within this Volume or later is probably to be seen.

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#42298: Nov 26th 2016 at 3:49:38 PM

Nah. I'm just saying that expecting some of the main bad guys to get a righteous beatdown within the next couple episodes is only gonna disappoint you.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#42299: Nov 26th 2016 at 4:31:38 PM

If the main characters delivered such a righteous beatdown, it'd be disappointing, as the victory wouldn't feel earned. Because we'd know that they only won because the authors decided to let them rather than because they worked hard to gain the ability to deliver said beatdown.

Remember the need for tension and consistency before demanding such things.

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#42300: Nov 26th 2016 at 5:08:55 PM

I don't know why you think a Curb-Stomp Battle and an earned victory are mutually exclusive. Also, tension isn't needed in absolutely every battle. If it was, Showy Invincible Hero and Curb-Stomp Battle wouldn't be a thing.

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