Considering neo was the one with illusion based abilities and emerald not having a known semblance at the time so it's not a far stretch to think it was the illusion simular to the one she used on team rwby.
I could see a group making winter the winter maiden with the intent being that it would be to obvious.
"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - DorthyI just meant it makes me sense to think "Emerald has mind/illusion powers" than to think that Neo is randomly getting involved in a fight that Emerald already has under control. Plus, Neo's powers weren't even shown to really be "illusions".
As for Winter being the Winter Maiden, there's having Meaningful Name, and then there's just doing shit to do it. Same thing with Summer. It would just look like a Contrived Coincidence to me.
Edit: Huh, I was sure contrived convenience was a trope.
I was, how did I make that mistake?
edited 21st Nov '16 6:51:15 PM by LSBK
It's not we had a good grasp on how Neo's Semblance worked at the time.
Sure you're not thinking of Contrived Coincidence?
edited 21st Nov '16 6:45:11 PM by Cross
We have in fact since she used he power once, she create a "mirror" decoy that allow to move
Im going to said a couple of things:
First, Matt is going to BOMB this episode in is recap, it have everything: Taiyang joking, story from the past, Qrow with a miniskirt, once Jab against Yang, Raven finally
And in a more serious note, like I said before I feel Raven is a foil of Yang, just like Qrow,Winter and Adam are Foil of Ruby,Winter and Blake(on the other hand, Adam and Yang can be also seen as foils, mmmmmm)
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"RE: Raven
I don't give a damn what her reasons are at this point. If she's prepared to slaughter an entire town for any reason, then she can go hang. There are lines that no character can cross while retaining my sympathy, and barring some sort of massive swerve—ie, the revelation she was possessed—she will not earn mine.
I'm getting Itachi Uchiha vibes here. That does not make me happy.
I imagine there was an intent behind her actions. On the morality scale she is most likely a very dark grey. This wouldn't be the first character that appeared evil, but in the end just had a different agenda from the heroes. Plus compared to itachi she seems far more sane with her actions.
"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - DorthyYeah, we don't know anything about that village and very little about Raven. We can't assume they're a village of innocents just because Jaune has some fluffy kiddy memories of the place.
That's in no way defending Raven's actions, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions based on almost zero information. I've seen too many characters like this turn out to be shades of grey or third parties who have independent reasons for siding with the good guys instead of the villains to even want to begin to fix an opinion of either Raven or that village right now. I've also seen too many fandoms label a creator Trolling Creator or "bad writer" solely because their assumptions, preconceived notions and/or fanon turned out to be completely wrong, rather than addressing genuine creator trolling or legitimate weaknesses in said works.
Raven might be a villain, anti-villain or very grey anti-hero. The village she slaughtered might be innocents, a nest of Salem-supporting warriors or something in between. Her actions may turn out to be justified, utterly unforgivable, or somewhere in between. All we do know is that we know almost nothing; that's great for speculation, but makes fixing opinions in stone pointless for now.
edited 22nd Nov '16 3:15:24 AM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.You know, speaking of Neo, I wonder if she was always meant to be in the show or was Roman's Ensemble Dark Horse status mean that he needed some sort of partner-in-crime and she was created just to fulfil that role.
Only sometimes postsWait, are we really trying to go "It might not have been totally wrong to slaughter Shion"? And even leaving that out, it's not like Shion is the only place they've done that. The dialogue on both Qrow and Raven's part was clear on how they operate.
Not to mention, I think the point of the World of Remnant before this was to remove in "ambiguity" some people might like to project on the situation. We're told flat out how the roaming bandits operate.
Even if they do try to make her an anti-villain (which I think is likely), I doubt (and hope) that they're actually going to go "slaughtering entire villages and towns justifiable or needed to be done".
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Which is not even visually similar to what Emerald was doing. I'm just saying, saw no reason to assume Neo was behind any of that given context.
edited 22nd Nov '16 7:15:03 AM by LSBK
I don't think anyone is under the impression that Raven is a good person at all, but it's a bit too early to be screaming for her death before we know anything more about her tribe or backstory and the like. Like, the only thing we literally know is that they slaughtered villages, which is indeed a very very bad thing, but it's also the only thing we know so far.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.It's the only thing we need to know. There is no information about her backstory or motivations that, barring an asspull of epic proportions, can make this acceptable behaviour.
She's heavily implied to have been responsible for orphaning Nora and Ren. You gonna tell me that Ren and Nora's parents were "Salem supporters" who deserved to die?
Also, have we all forgotten that Raven already gave an explanation for why she wiped out the town? Namely that "the strong survive, the weak die." When Qrow calls her out, that's her reply. Not "the town was full of Salem supporters", but "they were weak so who cares." That's her justification. You don't come back from that.
edited 22nd Nov '16 10:38:55 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
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No, it's the only thing you need to know because you want to justify your hatred of her. I'm not the type to jump down someone's throat simply because they do something that I don't agree with, at least until I have all of the facts beforehand.
If you want to condemn her based on a kneejerk reaction, be my guest, but don't drag me into it.
edited 22nd Nov '16 8:46:27 AM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.I mean, whatever they do with Raven, going "the people of Shion were secretly evil" seems more out there than anything else.
Their conversation was very clear: they were raised this way, Qrow left, she went back. Survival Of The Fittest and all that, and if it eventually turns out to be some ploy by her and Ozpin that for some reason they want let Qrow in on, well.... hopefully the writers are better than that.
To all those insisting Raven will undoubtedly turn out to be a "dark grey" character, oh I have no doubt of that. It's just going to be extremely stupid when they try it. The reality is that you can't go around butchering people, but then get Brownie points for being against the apocalypse (or whatever the Hell Salem's end goal is).
Are there interesting characters in fiction who do terrible things but then find redemption fighting a greater evil? Sure. But Raven's not that character thus far and I highly doubt she's going to be that character. If she somehow pulls off the impossible and becomes likeable later on I might consider shifting my position, but I'm not going to do so preemptively, the way some seem to be suggesting I should.
Raven's actions so far paint her as a callous monster who thinks her actions should get a pass because her victims are "weak". I don't think, based on the series' writing so far, that the RWBY team is competent enough to bring her back from that particular ledge—nor do I expect them to really try. It seems more likely that they'll try to paint her actions as somehow justified, and thus fall on their faces, or give her a backstory that somehow makes what she's done acceptable—and thus fall on their faces.
I reiterate my prior statement—I am getting Itachi Uchiha vibes, and that does not make me happy.
I'm sorry, are we classifying "slaughtered a town" as "something I don't agree with"? Or assuming that having "all the facts" would change something? What would those facts be? What could possibly justify her actions to you?
That's without getting into the fact, of course, that Raven has already explained her actions, and has done so in starkly Social Darwinist terms. Is social darwinism suddenly "in" again? Did I miss that memo? And if not, why are people coming up with explanations like "the town was full of Salem supporters" rather than acknowledging Raven's own stated reasons for doing what she did?
I love how you want to paint my disliking her because she butchered a town as "a kneejerk reaction". She killed a bunch of people, then dismissed them as "weak" and therefore deserving of it. That's a pretty clear indication of her character.
edited 22nd Nov '16 10:53:35 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
"I mean, whatever they do with Raven, going "the people of Shion were secretly evil" seems more out there than anything else. "
This.
"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!

And we didn't knew Mercury's semblance either. Só...
"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!