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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#42026: Nov 20th 2016 at 10:52:48 AM

The problem is that previous seasons didn't have Four Lines, All Waiting like this one does. We're four episodes in and we've basically gotten a Ruby episode, a Weiss episode, a Blake episode, and a Yang episode.

Granted, I haven't actually found the season boring so far, but it's certainly been moving slower than previous ones have, so I see where Ambar is coming from.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#42027: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:00:37 AM

"A piece of me is gone, and it's never coming back."

Mmm... I'm now imagining Adam mailing Yang her arm.

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#42028: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:00:59 AM

As far as sympathizing with Raven goes,depends on what you mean by 'the show trying to make you sympathize with her'

I mean,It would be nice to know she went for training to be a huntress(a profession thats about defending the weak) to a more survival of the strongest mindset.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42029: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:02:39 AM

I think the implication is her current mindset is the one she and Qrow were raised with, and she went back to it, while he didn't.

And confirmation that they're twins is nice.

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#42030: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:05:59 AM

Still it would be nice to know what happened to drive her back to that mindset

WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#42031: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:16:11 AM

[up]Anonymous letter in the mail that says "I know where you live", along with relevant photographs of her family? "Accidents" occurring to her friends? Funeral notice for the previous boss? Some combination of the above?

"Dear Raven, You-know-who died recently, and he wrote you in the will. It would be most appreciated if you attended the funeral. Love Mom."

"PS, what a lovely little daughter you have."

edited 20th Nov '16 11:20:00 AM by WillDeRegio

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#42032: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:25:36 AM

On a unrelated note.Looks like Jaunes not the only cross dresser in the cast

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#42033: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:25:44 AM

She decided she couldn't live a life of not robbing helpless citizens and sowing terror

edited 20th Nov '16 11:27:22 AM by VutherA

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#42034: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:33:38 AM

OK, I was expecting a little more fanfare over Yang taking up the roboarm.

Also now I want to make Raven's costume. Goddammit I have enough projects to be getting on with without that one.

edited 20th Nov '16 11:47:41 AM by Deadbeatloser22

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#42035: Nov 20th 2016 at 2:07:05 PM

Just watched Episode 4:

The farm boy being called Oscar is about as subtle as a brick through the window. Farm boy? digs for a living, and first name Oscar. Wizard of Oz's name? Oscar Diggs.

My theory: Oscar is carrying Ozpin's soul around with him. Ozpin's body is protected by his cane (which Qrow has). Common trope (sci-fi or magic) with same end result: possession/unwanted companion inside head. Oscar and the cane need to find each other for Ozpin to be restored.

Why Oscar? Boy is secretly the Spring Maiden (Princess Ozma, disguised as boy and with a female guardian). Ozpin's in her head either because "Wizard calls to his magic" or because Qrow's hint the Spring Maiden is special even by Maiden standards means Ozpin had to choose Oscar.

But it would be funny if Ozpin landed in Oscar because they share the same first name - just to make Qrow even more crazy annoyed about the rules of magic transfer, and because parents being awful at naming kids gets so stupid in real life that "Oz Ozpin" could easily be a thing.

Called it on the opening credits being two different birds (one Raven). She certainly likes keeping up with what Qrow's doing (Qrow's fight with Winter, sitting in the tree while he kills the Grimm following Ruby). Raven thinks Qrow knows where the relic is (she doesn't). Qrow thinks Raven knows where the Spring Maiden is (he doesn't).

Still think she's working undercover for Ozpin while appearing to be on the villains' side. Looks like the Branwen backstory overlaps with Ren & Nora, since Raven's tribe seem to be the bandits that left the symbol Ren recognised. Also looks like there was a specific reason for targeting that village, part of a plan. There's a third party Raven didn't realise Qrow knows about and she did lose her cool over the Yang conversation, so I still think she's protecting Yang by staying away from her.

Yang's nightmares are pretty dark. I hope it's an exploration of PTSD, but the nature of the genre does lend itself to these being made worse by 'outside influence', possibly by Adam's weapon. I hope I'm wrong. I prefer it to be straight PTSD.

Yang puts the arm on for Ruby; specifically because she understands that her situation is forcing Taiyang to choose which of his daughters to look after. The question is whether Tai knows Qrow is following Ruby. If he does, he doesn't seem to be communicating that to Oobleck and Port.

edited 20th Nov '16 2:10:52 PM by Wyldchyld

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42036: Nov 20th 2016 at 2:10:38 PM

So...was Ozpin actually supposed to be in the mirror or Oscar's head?

Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#42038: Nov 20th 2016 at 2:19:09 PM

[up][up]Oscar's head, but Oscar might have either seen Ozpin's face in the mirror instead of his own, or felt Ozpin's surprise at seeing Oscar's face in the mirror (as in, that's how Ozpin can see who's body he's riding).

I think the kid's heterochromia is a thing - he has predominantly green eyes, with a brown segment. In Volume 1, Ozpin's eyes were brass coloured. From Volume 2 onwards, his eyes were more of a silvery-grey with occasional brass or green tints. Either the heterochromia means the boy is special in his own right, which is why Ozpin is riding him, or the boy's eyes are green, and the speck of brown is a sign Ozpin is along for the ride.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#42039: Nov 20th 2016 at 4:26:45 PM

I mean, it's not like these are ships the fans have created out of nothingness.

The fans did create those ships out of nothingness. People have been obsessed with those ships since before the first episode AKA before we knew practically anything about any of their characters (and people had guessed completely incorrectly) and none of the members of the pairings had met. The pairings basically exist because of the order of the trailers and that's it. That's part of why I hated those pairings (though I've mellowed towards Bumblebee as it's actually gaining actual in-Universe support and my hate for it was much less strong). I hate pairings that exists for OOC reasons. Especially when the creators try to make those pairings canon to please the fans while ignoring what would make actual sense. What's more, very early on, Yang made a big deal about being into boys, Ruby's initial interaction with Jaune was actually pretty Ship Tease y, Blake already had the romantic undercurrent with Adam and later had plenty of Ship Tease with Sun, Weiss was using language which indicated heterosexuality in one of her early arguments with Ruby and later made it perfectly clear she was attracted to Neptune. Now, I'm not saying they can't be bi (I actually think it's likely for Blake and Yang at this point and Ruby could still actually be lesbian), but saying that the show supported pairing them together over other possibilities is ridiculous and the idea that the fans didn't come up with those pairings without evidence isn't true. (Also, White Rose would be a disgustingly terrible couple based on their interactions, which is the far bigger reason I'm against it).

Anyway, I enjoyed the episode. I actually like seeing the other characters and what they are doing. Many pieces of writing make the mistake of pretending that the protagonists are the only people worth watching and I'm glad that this show isn't performing that failure of writing.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42040: Nov 20th 2016 at 4:27:32 PM

One last thought on the pacing so far, though I do think things should start to pick up now, I don't think reestablishing things with each girl over these past four episodes has been a waste of time. Plus, they've been sprinkling things in over each of them to make things better.

I'm still wondering why so much fixation on the Spring Maiden though. What about the other two, what's going on there? Does whatever Salem want to do have to be done in a specific order?

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#42041: Nov 20th 2016 at 4:41:29 PM

An order would make sense, but the only order that would make sense would be the one from the story: Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall

Going Fall, Spring would make no sense unless order doesn't matter.

My guess is that they know who Winter and Summer are and are waiting for a better opportunity to get them (or have already dealt with them) and are just looking for Spring in the meantime.

EDIT:

A complete reverse of the order from the story could also make sense if the idea was to undo things fro last to first.

edited 20th Nov '16 4:42:36 PM by Sereg

Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#42042: Nov 20th 2016 at 4:52:52 PM

Maybe Salem is going in order, but skipped Winter because it's already taken care of. (HINT HINT)

32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#42043: Nov 20th 2016 at 5:49:24 PM

Winter as the Winter Maiden would actually be hilarious.

I bet there's already Qrow in a skirt fanart.

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#42045: Nov 20th 2016 at 6:03:46 PM

Perhaps Spring is simply the most powerful currently living Maiden? And therefore the natural choice for a heavy-hitter against Salem's forces.

I'm interested in seeing where this thing with Raven goes. As well as what exactly is that portal thing she uses. It looks very similar to the portal Cinder summoned the insect Grimm out of.

As for the talk of shipping, I dearly hope the writers do not pander to the shippers. Personally, I have a very strong dislike of shipping (most shippers I find either irritating or downright delusional), and their fantasies should have zero impact on the writing of a series.

edited 20th Nov '16 6:04:33 PM by DarkHunter

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42046: Nov 20th 2016 at 6:09:09 PM

How would you even determine "most powerful" Maiden though? There's been nothing to imply any inherent power imbalance between the four, and if they aren't all together, how could you compare them?

Cross (Don’t ask)
#42047: Nov 20th 2016 at 6:12:57 PM

Experience, skill, et cetera.

Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
leader of Inherit
#42048: Nov 20th 2016 at 6:19:37 PM

wild mass guessmaidens get thrown into an arena to duke it out and decide who is the best maiden.

With this episode I would definitely like to see raven interact with Ruby. I also imagine plot points will probably converge soon enough. Didn't expect yang to put the arm on so soon though.

"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - Dorthy
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#42049: Nov 20th 2016 at 6:20:11 PM

On pacing: I think Ambar is exaggerating, as we got a fair bit of Yang development and the Raven conversation didn't take much time plus it seems like it will be important.

But I do think this is a pretty slow paced place to be 4 episodes in. RWBY's pacing has always seemed to be getting off to a slow start and then rushing through things at the end of the volume.

Going off the opening song, though, this might be a slow paced volume with maybe only Tyrian and the cat dudes being major fights.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42050: Nov 20th 2016 at 6:24:27 PM

[up][up][up]But if they don't know who or where this person is, that's all conjecture on their part.


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