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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#41852: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:08:38 PM

Uhhh, Raven's spying on Ruby for Salem, or some other reason entirely? Idk maybe that bird in the opening was actually a crow and that expression was Qrow getting serious about something else.

Does anyone know how to differentiate a Crow and Raven?

Cross (Don’t ask)
#41853: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:09:36 PM

I think it's supposed to be size.

edited 12th Nov '16 1:09:56 PM by Cross

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41854: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:16:30 PM

[up][up]You shouldn't expect people to just fill in the blank if you're not even sure yourself where you're going with something.

edited 12th Nov '16 1:17:01 PM by LSBK

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#41855: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:18:51 PM

Probably not.

I'll go figure out how to measure that difference in size between Crows and Ravens using the brief shot of Qrow going Crow at the end of Volume 3 and get back to you on this.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#41856: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:29:01 PM

I thought that the bird was supposed to be Crow, as in he's keeping an eye on his neice (half-niece? step-niece?) on the sly.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41857: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:30:59 PM

He's Yang's maternal uncle and no blood relation to Ruby at all. Which really surprised me, that he wasn't Ruby's mom's brother.

edited 12th Nov '16 1:31:28 PM by LSBK

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#41858: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:34:21 PM

[up][up] I'd think that to, but the end of Volume 3 showed that Qrow's able to BECOME a Crow, not summon other Crows.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#41859: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:50:07 PM

[up][up]Yeah, that's why I was confused about what to call them. Ruby clearly considers him her uncle, and more than just Honorary Uncle status. Step-uncle is probably closest, but I don't think there's a good shorthand way to describe the relationship.

[up]Well, it's the opening we're talking about, here — I'm assuming it's not completely literal. We see a crow in a shot with Team RNJR, then a wipe to Crow with a crow — presumably the same one — in the background. The point is that the two scenes (Team RNJR and Crow) are linked by the appearance of the crow. And since we know that Crow can turn into a crow, the most reasonable interpretation seems to be that Crow is watching over Team RNJR in crow form.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#41860: Nov 12th 2016 at 3:27:21 PM

[up]Step-uncle is the correct term, yes. Or if we want to be simple, uncle.

On Ravens and Crows: there is no difference. All Ravens are Crows, Ravens are simply one of the larger species of Corvids

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41861: Nov 12th 2016 at 3:30:46 PM

Step-uncle isn't really right because neither of them is related to someone by marriage. As far as we know Tiayang never married Raven. But again, it doesn't really matter. The familial relationship is reciprocated by both of them.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ruby just thinks that Qrow is one of those family friends whose so close he just turned into an uncle without knowing that he actually is Yang's uncle.

edited 12th Nov '16 3:33:24 PM by LSBK

Cross (Don’t ask)
#41862: Nov 12th 2016 at 3:37:45 PM

Can anyone who seen it say if the new World of Remnant has anything important?

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#41863: Nov 12th 2016 at 4:49:59 PM

[up][up]Ruby's not always the most intellectual person, but I'd be surprised if she was so airheaded that she didn't understand the details of her own family relationships.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41864: Nov 12th 2016 at 4:51:47 PM

[up]It wouldn't be her being airhead, just it never coming up. Qrow covered up Raven's face in that old team picture. I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't know just because it's not something her dad, Qrow, or Yang like to talk about.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#41865: Nov 12th 2016 at 5:25:23 PM

Not like to talk about is different from never came up at all. At some point she'd have wondered why she and Yang have different last names and one family discussion later all is set straight. By all indications, Qrow's been around since both girls were little. As a blood uncle to one and close friend to the parents of the other, it probably didn't take much for him to assume the uncle position to Ruby. And once she was old enough to distinguish the difference it didn't matter to her.

Just from personal experience, I grew up never realizing my grandma's second husband was not my actual grandpa. By the time I realized it I had been referring to him and long considered as my grandpa anyway, so nothing changed.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41866: Nov 12th 2016 at 5:28:32 PM

Their different last names have nothing to do with Raven and Qrow though. Yang has their father's and Ruby has her mother's. For all we know that might not be at all unusual in this world and Ruby would have no reason to question it.

I'm not saying she definitely doesn't know, just that I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't.

edited 12th Nov '16 5:31:26 PM by LSBK

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#41867: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:45:15 PM

Yeah, Ruby dosent seen the person who question too much the things around her which fit her with the "naive and simple soul" otherwise Ruby never een to pick on Qrow behivor

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#41868: Nov 13th 2016 at 10:34:44 AM

Does anyone know how to differentiate a Crow and Raven?

In real life? Yes, there are ways to tell the difference between various different corvid species that are, in English, called 'ravens' or 'crows'.

Note, that ignores the fact that any bird classified as a Corvid can correctly be called 'crows'.

Also note, in mythology and fairy tales, 'crows' and 'ravens' are interchangeable. Along with certain other corvids (choughs, rooks, etc.). So, there's a link between the general term 'crow' and mythology. That works out great for this show because it means we don't have to care.

Given the nature of the artwork in this show, I don't think there's any point in trying to tell the difference between a raven and a crow - it would require the animators to know the difference themselves (many won't) and to consistently animate the difference.

It's easier to use the term 'crow' because that is the term Monty always used, that was his motif, and (in real life) that word can be used as a blanket term to cover a range of corvid species.

For the record, I believe the red-eyed bird that was watching the start of the Winter/Qrow fight was Raven in bird-form (as I've said previously, I was delighted to see Qrow appear to turn into a crow, because it fit my theory that Qrow and Raven could already assume the forms of crows/ravens) and the opening credits may show both Qrow and Raven - the bird that causes the scene transition from RNJR to Qrow is probably Qrow, but then a crow/raven seems to fly past Qrow, causing him to turn his head slightly - I believe this is actually Raven, not Qrow.

For my personal preference, when talking about Qrow and Raven in terms of bird-forms, I will use 'Qrow turns into a crow' and 'Raven turns into a raven', but that's name association, it's not a reflection on the differences between corvid species or that the animators might care about such differences (I don't believe this show will care).

edited 13th Nov '16 10:36:55 AM by Wyldchyld

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#41869: Nov 13th 2016 at 10:42:10 AM

[up]Raven and Qrow are brothers right? and consider schenee semblence are shared in their family, maybe they are too.....

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#41870: Nov 13th 2016 at 10:47:20 AM

They're siblings. Raven is female. :)

We don't know if they're twins or different ages, we know they were in the same year groups in school to be able to form the same teams. We don't know who is the older sibling.

If Qrow really is turning into a crow like the Stinger implied, then we don't know how. We don't know if it's a Semblance, a way of being Faunus (ie, full human appearance but with full animal transformation, instead of mostly human with an animal trait), or whether it's magic.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41871: Nov 13th 2016 at 10:51:50 AM

I doubt it's their Semblance. Qrow turning into a crow and Raven possibly being the raven we sometime see just has a different "feel" than a character's Semblance.

As for whether it's magic or something else, not sure. Maybe it has something to do with Ozpin.

Edit: But if it turns out to actually be the Faunus thing that [up] brought up, that would be stupid as fuck.

edited 13th Nov '16 10:53:26 AM by LSBK

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#41872: Nov 13th 2016 at 12:54:59 PM

Could be a combination. Like they use magic to turn into birds, but it's a type of magic only Faunus can use, and they just don't have any obvious Faunus traits.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#41873: Nov 13th 2016 at 4:19:31 PM

[up][up]Yeah, my preferred theory is that it's magic, and it's connected to Ozpin - Odin and his two ravens scouting the world for him, basically.

I covered the Faunus thing for completeness; it's not my preferred theory.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41874: Nov 13th 2016 at 4:27:54 PM

And to whoever asked about the World of Remnant video, it's just about what life is like outside the Kingdoms and how people survive (or don't).

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#41875: Nov 13th 2016 at 4:30:24 PM

It's very Grimm between them.


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