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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#41801: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:25:48 AM

We've heard her sing. In the White trailer, "Mirror Mirror" is framed as her singing it.

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#41802: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:27:47 AM

Yeah, but I wonder whether they'll still get Casey Lee Williams to do her song? I don't know if Weiss' VA can sing.

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VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#41803: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:47:16 AM

I'd expect Casey still. With Kara being an executive assistant now, I really would not expect her to be learning to sing for that one time.

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#41804: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:37:36 PM

I dont think she will sing, I mean she wil think about it for a moment and them BLAM, some huge and weird atack out of nowhere, probably with Watts behind it.

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#41805: Nov 10th 2016 at 4:05:28 PM

We don't explicitly know if Cybernetics Eat Your Soul applies to aura or not, but given that Penny was a friggen robot and still had aura (and, presumably, a semblance to match), we can probably say "not"

If there's enough influence from the Wizard of Oz in the story, then Cybernetics Eat Your Soul will not be a thing. That was explicitly a point about the Tin Man. By the time he had lost all biological parts of himself and was completely replaced by metal, he still retained his 'soul'. That's why he was considered to be alive despite being the Tin Man. His issue was love because of the lack of a heart. He thought he couldn't love.

By the end of the journey, he had learned that he was deeply compassionate, and the films certainly focus on him 'regaining a heart'. However, the novels were slightly different. It was a compassionate heart that he 'gained', but it's not until a later story in the series that it's clarified that he has a compassionate heart rather than a loving heart. The reason is that, once he'd 'regained' a heart, he did go after the woman he had loved and left (because of his state). He just stayed with his friends and took over the roles and responsibilities that he was given. It's not until he's forced to tell this back story that he realises he really should have gone to find his past love and make up with her - and that's what the story in this book is about.

As a result, if Ironwood is true to the Wizard of Oz, being half cybernetic shouldn't have lessened his soul (by implication, it shouldn't have damaged his Aura). Certainly Penny suggests exactly that, given that she does have an Aura.

That said, if the show does deviate from the Wizard of Oz and Ironwood does have a crippled soul because of his cybernetic replacements, perhaps that partially explains the creation of Penny - finding a way to attach an Aura to a cybernetic being could help 'cure' the soul issues experienced by someone in Ironwood's condition (along with whatever other reasons Penny was created for).

edited 10th Nov '16 4:09:39 PM by Wyldchyld

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#41806: Nov 10th 2016 at 4:10:35 PM

(along with whatever other reasons Penny was created for).
The chances of Penny being built as somebody's Replacement Goldfish are super high.

edited 10th Nov '16 4:10:44 PM by Karxrida

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#41807: Nov 10th 2016 at 4:20:27 PM

[up] Yep, I speculated that myself in the past.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41808: Nov 10th 2016 at 4:24:00 PM

So, assuming the people she's going to meet are her parents, how do you think the whole "White Fang/go into hiding thing" went with them. She said she was in the White Fang most of her life, almost as if she was born into it.

I also wonder what they think of Adam.

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#41809: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:15:44 PM
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#41810: Nov 11th 2016 at 9:13:02 AM
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#41811: Nov 11th 2016 at 10:39:24 AM

And I feel all the Sun shit is overblown. I'm right now of the belief that those who do believe that was all these things either equates any physical contact to assault, which is extreme, or that they're looking for reasons to be angry or prove something about themselves by voicing such things or something.

Thank you for attempting to psychoanalyze people who disagree with you. Trying to prove something about ourselves, are we? You know, if people like Tobias and myself were to respond in the same vein, by say, suggesting that you are trying to rationalize away your own harassment of women, you'd probably get upset—and with cause.

Don't psychoanalyze other tropers. Seriously.

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#41812: Nov 11th 2016 at 11:27:36 AM
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#41813: Nov 11th 2016 at 11:42:29 AM
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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#41814: Nov 11th 2016 at 11:51:01 AM

[up]So is that of the person I'm responding to. Which is the point. Don't try to psychoanalyze other posters. It's a violation of forum policy and of good taste.

edited 11th Nov '16 11:51:49 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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#41815: Nov 11th 2016 at 11:55:19 AM

It's a fair argument not to and for that much I apologize. That much is just my opinion since I know our perceptions color our interpretations. I know I can be wrong as to the why, so I shall focus on the product in and of itself. And I have no interest in assaulting them, but I don't mind if such an assessment is thrown my way since I'm secure in my belief that is not the case with me. The perceptions of others don't matter to me so long as I'm secure in self, which I do realize factors into my carelessness. And my response, upon further thought, would just be to ask questions to see what logic it's based upon. If I was indeed unknowingly making such a mistake and could be convinced of it, I'd correct my behavior as I'm aware of how damaging that is. But no, I don't react in anger. Anger is counterproductive.

With regards to his actions, I am genuinely curious how jumping on her head or catching her when she's falling - the same thing she did as well - is sexual assault. He's not groping her or anything like that. She herself was smiling up until he made his joke as callback to when he was in her arms, which is what annoyed her. And he cut it out when she wasn't clearly in the mood for it. I feel this is making a mountain out of a molehill of him just being a playful flirt.

If he kept doing it, pushing, pressuring, and so on while she's made 100% clear not cool with it, then I'd call fowl. If that happens in future and it gets uncomfortable for me, I shall say so. But since that's not what happened, I feel it's nitpicking and blowing it out of proportion. Sexual assault is a serious thing and I don't feel it should be called on the tiniest of things. And I don't think him being openly attracted to her makes him a predator. Sun has so far shown he's good at keeping it in his pants (...tail aside) when it comes to the serious business and truly does care about her enough not to intentionally do something damaging.

Oh yeah and just to note, I do think his approach was dumb as hell still. Well meaning in that he wants to help and thought she was going it alone, but dumb as fuck. At most I think he was maybe trying to give her hr distance while having her back, but still it was stupid.

edited 11th Nov '16 12:38:18 PM by Prime_of_Perfection

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#41816: Nov 11th 2016 at 11:55:27 AM

He isn't psychoanalyzing anythung, that's your own interpretation of his own opinion.

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#41817: Nov 11th 2016 at 11:55:49 AM

Perhaps we should just let this whole topic drop and not repeat the very heated arguments again.

Also we have no episode tomorrow, just new World of Remnant.

edited 11th Nov '16 12:04:46 PM by Shaoken

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#41818: Nov 11th 2016 at 1:08:35 PM

No new episode? That doesn't count?

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#41819: Nov 11th 2016 at 1:31:44 PM

[Enough - Septimus Heap]

@Prime_of_Perfection

Apology accepted. There's an ongoing discussion about this in one of the sexism threads in OTC, but to keep it brief, repeat, unwanted contact is a form of assault. The actual legal definition of assault is "the act of creating apprehension of physically acting on a threat." Repeatedly touching someone who does not want to be touched can therefore be assault and, indeed, sexual assault, in that you are demonstrating you do not respect that person's space or wishes, which can indeed, create apprehension.

Battery is the term for actually grabbing someone or otherwise harming them.

edited 11th Nov '16 3:12:52 PM by SeptimusHeap

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#41820: Nov 11th 2016 at 1:35:43 PM

[up][up]I consider the WOR to be more supplemental material than episodes proper.

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#41821: Nov 11th 2016 at 1:52:39 PM

[up][up]Given that Blake did not make any such appearances that she was intimidated or else apprehensive about Sun (annoyed at him being there, sure, but certainly not apprehensive about him in a general sense), and his touching of her was something she was perfectly willing to do to him in an equivalent context, barring the arm around the shoulder bit which was quickly and easily separated, I would argue by the definition you gave of assault that he was not in any way assaulting her, sexually or otherwise.

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#41822: Nov 11th 2016 at 2:21:25 PM

Can we please not start this up again.

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#41823: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:13:01 PM

Stop.

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Alfric Sailing the Skies! from Crescent Isle Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#41824: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:31:43 PM

Well, for a topic shift, as LSBK brought up earlier, I feel like if Blake is returning to her home in Menagerie to meet her family, then she has a reasonable feeling that they are unrelated to the White Fang, and presumably safe from Adam (either due to him not knowing them or because he doesn't go to Menagerie). I'm curious if they were a part of the White Fang at all, and if they were whether they were a part of it after or prior to the change in management.

Given that Menagerie was supposed to be a segregated Faunus kingdom (that's what I remember hearing anyway), I wonder if perhaps the White Fang doesn't spend time there since their goal, prior to their more extreme change in management, to improve things for Faunus on the mainland.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41825: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:36:56 PM

I'd image her parents were involved in it at some point, but they probably left long before she actually did.

Looking at Cinder vs. Pyrrha again, it's weird that Cinder only used fire. Like, I get that that's her thing but the power is supposed to be "the power of the elements" and we saw that Amber could do so much more. It kind of feels like artificially trying to create suspense while still having the ending being a foregone conclusion.


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