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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#41751: Nov 8th 2016 at 11:33:55 AM

[up][up]iunfortunaly, she wasnt that good, or a least it didnt show that much

but as other point up in this thread before, Weiss actually have bigger fuck ups: for losing against mook, to that patetic display in tournament, sure sumon that arm gave her point but so far her performance have been....meh

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#41752: Nov 8th 2016 at 11:39:11 AM

Weiss is a duelist with some support capabilities of her own. Remember when Ruby decapitated the Nevermore? She couldn't have done that without Weiss's glyphs.

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#41753: Nov 8th 2016 at 11:41:49 AM

I mean, if only count as a good fighter by overpowering opponents in single-combat than the only one of the four who really fits the bill is Yang.

If you count a good fighter has having great skill with their weapon, being able to work efficiently with their teammates, and being able to hold your own with a variety of opponents, then it describes all of them.

But Blake and Weiss are more support based than head on types, even if they don't suck at it.

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#41754: Nov 8th 2016 at 11:42:29 AM

[up][up]Yeah, two season later, she try to help yang in the tournament and get out for it.

In fact, since season 1 we haven seen that much of team work, sure there is taking Roman mecha but most of the time it seen more "I call dibs in this creture, you do something else" hell, Roman and Neo show more team work when facing Ruby!

That is why I must said, while Sun behivor was annoying(and that is all im going to said about that) he did a good team job with Blake, I hope to see more of that

edited 8th Nov '16 11:43:44 AM by unknowing

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#41755: Nov 8th 2016 at 11:46:32 AM

So, everyone is already in agreement that no fighter sucks...they just don't have consistently good or decent showings.

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#41756: Nov 8th 2016 at 12:03:31 PM

Nobody has consistently good showings. A flawless W/L record is a pretty unreasonable expectation of anyone.

Everyone has a rough day. Remember that time Yang lost a fight to Neo, a character who is primarily a method of transportation? Nobody's calling, "Yang is shittiest fighter!" over that.

The train fight had its low points for everyone. I think Zwei was the only one who really put in a great showing there.

edited 8th Nov '16 12:05:27 PM by TobiasDrake

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#41757: Nov 8th 2016 at 12:30:00 PM

I literally found nothing offensive at all about Blake and Sun's interactions in episode 3.

The fact that I was supposed to somehow makes me care even less.

Moving on from that, the new Grimm Leviathan was awesome

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#41758: Nov 8th 2016 at 12:47:26 PM

[up][up]Win/Loss ratio is not what matters, their performance is what matters.

How much better their opponents are is just their luck.

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#41759: Nov 8th 2016 at 12:54:39 PM

To be fair, while Neo has been the getaway driver for the villains up to that point, she definitely drew some more interest and thus seemed like a more significant character due to her notable design and given name. Weiss losing to "a mook" as some people call it strikes people as worse since they make some inherent assumptions about unnamed, masked characters, but given that he had a special weapon, I would definitely say he rises above mook or even Elite Mook status on that factor, given how this series treats its weapons.

As for the topic of Sun, I admittedly didn't mind the debate too much, but then I was only there for the end, and it seemed like conversation died shortly after my post, so I kinda missed out on the hostility that led to a mod popping in. I'm all for dropping it, since as it stands the majority seem tired of it and I've said my piece as far as it had developed at the time.

So more on win records, I'm kinda curious how the new villains are gonna stack up. On the one hand, the only one of the new guys we have any info on is Tyrian from the intro, since we saw him doing the Bayonetta thing with the excessive number of weapons, but that wasn't too much to see. I expect Watts at the very least will make a showing, but I somehow doubt the heroes will stand much of a chance even in a group context, so I'm curious how the fights will happen. It's probably too early to have the heroes suffer another major loss, but I can't see them winning in a direct fight, whether Tyrian vs RNJR or Watts vs whomever he ends up facing, if anyone. I feel like RNJR at least has the easy out of Jaune's Semblance manifesting and/or Qrow showing up since he seems to be following them. If Watts attacks the concert like some people have predicted, I wonder if he'll have a fight with Ironwood after it's clear Weiss can't fight him. That'd be a cool one to see, maybe with Winter helping, since that'd help keep the hype alive for the strength of the villains without making him winning a necessity to keep that hype up.

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#41760: Nov 8th 2016 at 12:55:12 PM

I'm not going wanting to re-open the argument, but I want to address something: Tobias, it is incredibly poor form to call it sexual harassment repeatedly without making any attempt to explain why you see it that, especially when you respond to being questioned about it with "it's sexual harassment because that's what happened" (para)

What is sexual about the contact Sun makes? Why is Blake doing the same thing not equally sexual?

Sexual harassment is, in reality, a very gray area. It kind of hinges on the feelings of the person on the receiving end, and as I pointed out she was completely fine with the catch and bothered by Sun's goofyness.

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#41761: Nov 8th 2016 at 12:56:57 PM

[up]Take it to P Ms, please.

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#41762: Nov 8th 2016 at 12:58:34 PM

If we're ranking Team RWBY in terms of combat prowess, I'd probably say Yang (pre-season-3-finale) on top, then Ruby, Blake, and Weiss. Yang's a general powerhouse, who can both take hits and dish them out. Her main problem is a lack of flexibility — if she can't solve a problem by punching it, she's usually out of her depth. Ruby isn't quite as strong either offensively or defensively as Yang, but she's quicker, and can put that to good use when she's up against something that can outdo her in raw power. Blake has less raw power than Ruby, but is sneaker, especially with her semblance, so she can still get things done. Weiss is more about precision and control than strength or speed, but unfortunately that usually doesn't amount to much, since grimm don't have convenient weak points to attack or anything like that. Her summoning glyph trick has potential, but we haven't seen much of it yet.

It belatedly occurs to me that my list ended up being linearly "most raw power" to "least raw power". I'm not sure if that's because RWBY is bad at showing Weak, but Skilled or because I'm not giving Blake and Weiss enough credit because I honestly can't remember either of them doing a whole lot that's particularly impressive.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#41763: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:01:09 PM

While tobias is true, it also have to be said showing afect how someone saw the chararter performence, if stick too much and it become informed ability of defect.

of RWBY: Yang is clearly the strongest and some people where a little bit feed up of "Instant win just add semblence" but her defeat by Neo and being cut by Adam edgeblade have balanced that

Weiss fight with LT was just weird and she make fool of herself in the tournament, Ruby is good killing grimm but her showing against Human target is....lacking, for being kick by mercury try to run away to Roman showing her the good old ultraviolence, Blake on the other hand...didnt have good showing since her trailer and her defeating Roman was weird WTF for everyone

edited 8th Nov '16 1:01:49 PM by unknowing

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#41764: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:01:12 PM

RWBY is very flashy and the fight scenes rarely have any depth beyond looking cool, it's easier to look cool in this series with raw power.

I wouldn't expect any kind of consistency in strength, though. Yang was clearly intended to be better than the others early on but I feel the showings of the other three just kind of fluctuate.

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#41765: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:04:51 PM

IMO Ren is a good example of Weak, but Skilled, particularily in his fight against Tajitus.

You could probably make a case for Neo too whose sole gimmick is slowly beating an opponent with small strikes and avoiding their own until she can deliver a coup de grace. Yang doesn't so much as touch her and Ruby can't strike her either, outside of the umbrella trick.

edited 8th Nov '16 1:05:20 PM by FergardStratoavis

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#41766: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:07:07 PM

I'm just really interested to see Taiyang fight at some point. Oh, and for Papa Schnee to fight too. I expect him to have an incredible ridiculous summon.

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#41767: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:11:37 PM

I actually hadn't considered the possibility of Jacques being a fighter, and I don't know why. I just got the sense that he was more a businessman and less a warrior, probably since he seemed to dislike Winter and Weiss' decision to go into combat fields.

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#41768: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:13:49 PM

Training their Semblance at least is probably a family tradition, since it's hereditary for some reason.

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#41769: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:16:03 PM

[up][up][up]actually, while this series is flashy as hell, it dosent have that amount of raw power typical of anime series, instead focusing more in weird and improbable stunts and speed than sheer raw power

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#41770: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:25:17 PM

[up][up][up][up] wild mass guessJacques' summon is the King Tajitu that served as the model for his pretentious indoor statue.wild mass guess

edited 8th Nov '16 1:25:59 PM by ArilouLaLeeLay

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#41771: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:35:00 PM

Take it to P Ms, please.

I'll do you one better. Nettacki has raised it as a discussion topic here for anyone who's interested in talking about it without bogging down the RWBY thread.

I've already explained my side both in the original argument and also in the new discussion thread and am more than willing to discuss it. But let's do it there.

edited 8th Nov '16 1:37:30 PM by TobiasDrake

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#41772: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:51:14 PM

I think it was less about Winter and Weiss going off to combat fields, it's that they went out of his grasp. Winter serves under Ironwood and Weiss was a continent away.

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#41773: Nov 8th 2016 at 2:44:05 PM

i just want to point out that i literally lol'd at the "Journey to the East" bit

I did love that reference as well.

IMO Ren is a good example of Weak, but Skilled, particularily in his fight against Tajitus.

I don't think he is. I think he was just kept in the background because he was the creator's character and there was a Running Gag among the staff that Nora's energy wears him out. Even if it's not that, he's clearly been kept in the background deliberately.

It's only since Volume 4 that we've been allowed to see him fight, except for one brief fight early on to demonstrate to the audience what Aura is, and that fight does mark an exception: Ren is the only kid to date who has successfully held off a Grimm with Aura alone (no weapon or Semblance involved), even if it was only for part of the fight.

Now that he's actually allowed to fight, he's anything but weak. On the other hand, he is based on Mulan, a character whose entire story is based on being underestimated. There are eleven main kids we've been introduced to (RWBY, JNPR, Sun, Neptune and Penny). Of them, we don't know the Semblance of four of them:

  • Jaune: second lead, whose abilities have been built up as a plot-related mystery from the beginning.
  • Penny: another plot-significant character with a big mystery stapled to her, including whether or not she's capable of producing a Semblance.
  • Neptune: secondary character whose Semblance hasn't been confirmed. Given his themes, however, my suspicion is that he has an extremely powerful Semblance that the phobia is being used to hide from the audience.

I actually hadn't considered the possibility of Jacques being a fighter, and I don't know why. I just got the sense that he was more a businessman and less a warrior, probably since he seemed to dislike Winter and Weiss' decision to go into combat fields.

I don't think his issue is with them learning how to be warriors. Winter seemed to indicate that his issue was with her going into the military, not learning how to fight, and both would have gone to combat schools at much younger ages to make them eligible for the academies. I believe Jacques' issue is probably about authority.

Joining the military puts Winter underneath someone else's authority instead of Jacques'. He loses influence over her by consequence. Weiss travelled to a geographically distant Academy with free-thinking ideas in a kingdom that gives its subjects freedom from direct government control. That gives Weiss a different kind of escape from Jacques' control to Winter's, but the end result is the same - Jacques' authority over the two of them is weakened.

edited 8th Nov '16 2:51:08 PM by Wyldchyld

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#41774: Nov 8th 2016 at 5:28:11 PM

Not really sure about the 'Plot- related' part of that.Sure Jaune's semblance is being held back.But that could also be of character related reasons rather that plot ones.

As for Ren.I think people mean weak in terms of damage dealing.He's not as hard hitting as ,say,someone like Yang or Nora is.

edited 8th Nov '16 5:32:45 PM by DeanCole

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#41775: Nov 8th 2016 at 7:21:42 PM

[up]It look his Semblence is not going to active until some plot relevant reason.

In fact my early theory is that he face Cinder he try to burn him(to put the Jeane of arc parallel) and THEM is semblance actived

About Ren....well, few people have the hit power of Yang and Nora, contrary of what is thought this series put more emphasis in speed that raw power.

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