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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#41601: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:45:19 PM

So do people think Yang will end up using the cybernetic arm full time or keep living with one arm? Or middle found she uses the arm for mundane things and ditches it for fights?

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#41602: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:45:34 PM

..For Better or worse.I'ed like to point out that Adam never really stalked Blake.

The basic point, however, stands. Creeping on any girl is bad. Creeping on the girl with a history of abusive relationships is worse.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#41603: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:48:34 PM

[up][up]her fight style depend of having both arms....now my thought are if that arm will be cover by her aura or no.....

[up]the point stand, but the comparation is flawed

I have to admit the relationship between the two are.....weird now, first it was shy girl and funny guy, something I have seen before, now she just seen frustrated with her presence and him is just doing funny things in the wrong moment, it looks....ughhhhh

edited 6th Nov '16 12:53:35 PM by unknowing

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#41604: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:51:51 PM

I am still irked that Word of God basically want like "Yep, he was abusive from the beginning" in regards to Adam, but let's not dwell more into that.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#41605: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:55:43 PM

[up]I dont mind that, just dislike it was so steriotypical, like they check every cliche of abusive people, at least he is badass so he could give a hell of a fight before losing, I dont ask for more

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#41606: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:55:58 PM

That's the easy way out, yes?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41607: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:00:47 PM

That doesn't really fit Blake's description of things, but I guess they can change their minds.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#41608: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:01:17 PM

I am still irked that Word of God basically want like "Yep, he was abusive from the beginning" in regards to Adam, but let's not dwell more into that.

Why? Seriously, why? What is wrong with the writers saying the unhealthy relationship was never healthy? That's...generally the case. Sure, some people might start off okay and then degenerate into bastards over time, but there's just as many, if not far more, who start out as creeps and stay creeps.

[up]It doesn't need to. Blake's an abuse victim rationalizing her situation. She can easily try to believe that there was a time when he was a better person even though that's not true.

That's without getting into the fact, of course, that Adam may not have been as overtly abusive initially. If he was originally the kind of guy who just mocks and disregards what his girlfriend wants and he morphed into someone who physically assaulted her, that's still a notable change—and a genuine change for the worse at that.

Abuse can go from survivable to murderous. Saying he was always abusive does not mean he was not, at some point, better than he is now. The statements "Adam was always abusive" and "someone close to me changed" are not mutually exclusive.

edited 6th Nov '16 1:07:51 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#41609: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:09:56 PM

[up]I think is more about context, when Blake said that it sound more about Adam become more extremist with the white fang, no about him being abusive to her and in general it feel him being abusive just come out of nowhere as everything focus more in "rebel go wrong"

And, while you said is truth, it dosent feel that way, when people said "they change" is a sudden shiff in behivor, usually for good to bad "He was creep and become worst creep" dosent usually happen in fiction and even less here in show so cliche.

edited 6th Nov '16 1:12:05 PM by unknowing

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#41610: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:12:09 PM

[up][up] Because it didn't have to be that way. Tell me a reason why it should be this way?

edited 6th Nov '16 1:12:25 PM by TPPR10

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#41611: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:12:25 PM

[up][up]Even then the two statements wouldn't be mutually exclusive. It's perfectly possible for Adam to have always been a dick to Blake but to have become increasingly extreme during his tenure as a White Fang leader.

[up]What's the other option—Adam was once a wonderful person who lost his mind and started abusing his girlfriend?

Adam's very first appearance has him trying to force Blake to blow up people she does not want to blow up. It was always gonna be this way.

edited 6th Nov '16 1:14:25 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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#41612: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:17:53 PM

Or maybe, they could have just made him initially someone who wanted what was best for his people, but grew more and more extremist over time. Instead of being a stereotypical evil boyfriend, and not much else.

One actually sounds interesting.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#41613: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:19:07 PM

[up][up]Tham tht is not a change or a really meanifull one to coment, he was bad person who trait go intro the extreme given the chance

and seen you ask, they could just no used the abusive angle and be angry at Blake for no only deserting the white fang but facing in the side of "Mankind", you get the same sense but with this weird, almost fan fic moment

edited 6th Nov '16 1:19:29 PM by unknowing

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#41614: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:20:22 PM

[up][up]To which I once again say that nothing about the statement "Adam was always abusive" is mutually exclusive from what you just said. He could easily be a well-intentioned extremist who wanted what was best for the Faunus...and was a dick to Blake.

Also, Adam's job isn't to be interesting on his own. Adam's job is to provide backstory for Blake.

edited 6th Nov '16 1:20:48 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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#41616: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:25:27 PM

[up][up]And that's a really terrible use of a potentially interesting character honestly, that they exist for no other reason than to be in service to another. It'd be one thing if he was a character with a smaller role, but he's one the main factors in Blake's backstory, I would have liked they'd flesh him out a bit more beyond "Blake's evil exboyfriend" which is all he is at the moment honestly.

Because let's be completely real here, the only reason people even care about him and give him so much hate is because of how he treated two characters who are the Fan-Preferred Couple. Before that, he was mostly ignored aside from having a really cool fighting style, but that's about it.

edited 6th Nov '16 1:25:40 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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#41617: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:25:55 PM

Also, Adam's job isn't to be interesting on his own. Adam's job is to provide backstory for Blake.

Of course that is not generally a good thing on its own. Some characters can be throw-away, but I feel like Adam is bit too important to be just here to provide backstory for someone. And people have taken interest on less important characters. Like take me for example. I find Murasame interesting and he's there just to provide personal conflict to Ikaruga.

Disclaimer that I am not defending Adam what he is in the present, but he could have been something different in the past. And I'd prefer to leave it at that.

edited 6th Nov '16 1:28:00 PM by TPPR10

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#41618: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:28:46 PM

[up]Yeah, even Ambar noticed how the fandom crave his blood not for being a terrorist but for hurting Blake, for me I feel it cheap the whole conflict between "Blake thing he go to far" to "Blake like Blondes and he dosent take a no for a answer"

I retrospective I like him maiming Yang arm because a) it was good moment of awsome and b) it manage to subverted what I consider a really bad scene

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#41619: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:31:22 PM

I find it curious that people say this about Adam when all RWBY's villains are flat. It feels strange to me that Adam's the one who gets hyperfocused on, when quite frankly his status as the abusive ex gives him far more character and far more depth than, say, Cinder has had up to this point. Of all the villains—barring maybe Roman—he's possibly the most realized.

edited 6th Nov '16 1:33:23 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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#41620: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:34:20 PM

Yea, I feel like the whole thing with Adam and Blake is less "A former righteous man loses his way and becomes what he hated most" to "Evil ex-boyfriend is mad because his girlfriend left him". They're not mutually exclusive, but there's a clear difference between the two and the latter is what the series is focusing on more than the former.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#41621: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:34:26 PM

One very valid criticism of Adam's characterization is that it kinda came out of nowhere after his previous appearances.

edited 6th Nov '16 1:35:04 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#41622: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:35:17 PM

[up][up][up]because Cinder didnt have any devolpment on first 3 season and more people are concern with her being a villian sue that any personality(or lack of it) she have show so far, with adam, being being abusive just come out of nowhere and it just feel cliche, as it reduce the conflict between ex clash.

[up][up]Yeah, I feel the second characterization overtake the first, also he is SO cliche right now, even with the "Why you must hurt me so much blake", it get a "been done and better"

edited 6th Nov '16 1:37:05 PM by unknowing

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#41623: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:36:16 PM

[up][up]Well he had no characterization in his previous appearances in the first place. Soo....

edited 6th Nov '16 1:36:27 PM by BlackSunNocturne

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#41624: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:37:00 PM

I have no problem with Adam being emotionally abusive from the start since that is more realistic, with his slow slide to more and more extremist actions being unrelated to his relationship. I think people were caught off guard because they assumed that his relationship with Blake started off well and went downhill as he got more and more extreme.

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#41625: Nov 6th 2016 at 1:38:33 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] The only villains up until Adam's reappearance were Roman, who's by far the most popular, and Cinder who many agreed was kinda boring despite her competence (and sexiness).

And I don't see how Adam has any more depth than those two; I mean yea sure, I think he's an asshole, but that by itself isn't necessarily interesting. Like I said, the only reason to care about him right now is because how he hurt Blake and Yang, and that before that, he was mostly ignored by the fandom.

[up][up] Given that we knew about the White Fang situation since Volume 1, and Blake's commentary on it and him. You can be forgiven for thinking of a different characterization than what we ended up with. But that's just me.

edited 6th Nov '16 1:40:10 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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