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FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
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#41576: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:13:17 AM

@On Ozpin:

  • Either he's not really dead and Cinder is either lying out of her ass or just thinks she killed him.
  • She did kill him, but Ozpin can somehow come back or hold some influence over the world still.
  • Or it's a Dumbledore clause, where his death is the part of the plan.

@Sun/Adam Comparison:

I'm sorry, but it's the kind of comparison that a rabid Bumblebee fan would make. Adam is, from start to finish, established as a threat, as an abusive ex, as someone she fears and she avoids.

Sun's actions are not excusable here, mind you, but we've seen he's perfectly capable of not being Mr. Grabbyhands and even in the middle of that a slap brought him back to earlier seasons' Sun. Plus, well, he's not a sadistic terrorist, far as I know.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41577: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:14:11 AM

[up][up][up] and [up][up][up][up] I mean, they were talking about putting another person's life force in her, not just the power. That complicates things.

edited 6th Nov '16 10:15:03 AM by LSBK

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#41578: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:14:25 AM

My point isn't that Sun and Adam are identically heinous people. My point is that Sun engaged in what can reasonably be considered Adamlike behavior over the course of this episode. And that's terrible.

And he's hardly the first guy to suddenly lightswitch into a sexual predator just as soon as he and the woman he's interested in are away from their respective friends and loved ones.

edited 6th Nov '16 10:15:44 AM by TobiasDrake

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#41579: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:15:50 AM

[up] Not even Adamlike, Adam-lite maybe, but there was no stabbing involved, and he knocked if off after she slapped him. Assuming it stays that way, I'd be willing to forgive him (and the writers) and assume he got the wrong impression about the nature of their relationship from the pseudo-dates he had with Blake in volume 2.

edited 6th Nov '16 10:17:23 AM by CaptainCapsase

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#41580: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:17:53 AM

The point is not that Sun's behaviour here is identical to Adam's, simply that the question of "how would it look if Yang" did it, cuts both ways. How would it look if Adam did it? Answer—pretty goddamn bad.

Sun doesn't look as bad, because he doesn't have Adam's history of overt violence, but it still looks bad.

[up]And if it continues?

I'll note this sort of flirty behaviour from guys in shows annoys me. I mean, I've had female friends I talk to that way, but I know it's alright because they respond it kind. Blake's not responding here, Sun. Knock it off.

edited 6th Nov '16 10:21:07 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#41581: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:20:04 AM

[up] Then it becomes a real problem, and I hope to god whatever the writers are doing wraps up quickly.

edited 6th Nov '16 10:20:32 AM by CaptainCapsase

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#41582: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:22:32 AM

On that we can agree then. I mean, if in the next episode he's not acting like this anymore, I can live with that. Lots of perfectly reasonable people can misjudge a relationship and make an ass out of themselves. I've done it before; I'm sure others in the thread have.

That said, they'd have to actually acknowledge that he misjudged the relationship and show him apologizing for it. And then never, ever doing it again.

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#41583: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:25:26 AM

Are we in burn-Sun-at-the-stake mode now? Yay. Episode was alright. Didn't see anything much out of character for him and Blake. Dragon serpent was great. Fight scenes are sacrificing dynamism for fluidity, not something I'm a fan of but I'll withhold judgement till we get some one-on-one fights. Yang's scenes were very interesting. And is Salem's lieutenant a creepy floating jellyfish?

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#41584: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:25:48 AM

I'm not going to burn Sun at the stake. I'm taking it for what it is. But... big but.

The issue is the writers, I think. Not the RWBY writers specifically, but writers/authors in general It's a widespread issue.

I'm going to use Stargate SG-1 as an example. There's an episode called "Window of Opportunity" where Jack and Teal'c get stuck in a Groundhog Day because reasons.

At one point, Daniel speculates that if it's true the pair are stuck in a time-loop, they can do anything without any consequences because the day will reset for them. Cue the penny dropping, the comedy starting, nods to the film Groundhog Day and.... Jack handing in his resignation so that he can kiss Sam right at the end of the time loop. The time loop instantly resets to the start of the day with everyone sat around the breakfast table and Jack wearing a goofy grin as he gazes at Sam.

Funny fanservice moment for Jack/Sam shippers... or so the writers thought. Cue backlash from fans thinking it was creepy because it took away Sam's personal choices and gave Jack power over her for having done something precisely because he couldn't be punished for it. The grin at the breakfast table wasn't regarded by fans as funny, it was regarded as creepy.

The irony is that they'd already screwed up like this once before in The Episode That Will Not Be Named (yep, that bad), where the villain drugs people into becoming her slaves and she spends the episode with Daniel by her side. Cue back lash because fans pointed out that this was a Daniel-is-raped episode. It didn't even occur to the writers to interpret it this way, and it thus became the episode that no-one ever wanted to remember had happened... the same writers then came up with the Groundhog Day episode. Nice.

Those are just examples off the top of my head, but there are a lot of them. It's usually down to writers (often male, but I suspect that's because there are more male writers than female writers in the business, because female writers have done some clangers in their time, too) not thinking of the fridge logic that will come from what they've written. In too many stories, 'stalking equates to love' which is why it keeps happening - even when the writers should be thinking about it because there's an abusive character in the show.

It's not good, but it doesn't make the RWBY writers sub-standard for doing this. It makes them distressingly normal. It's the really good writers that tend to spot this and address it - most writers just aren't that good.

edited 6th Nov '16 10:28:50 AM by Wyldchyld

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#41585: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:26:25 AM

@ What If: We can substitute literally everyone in that sentence, from Yang to a nameless schmuck. It would be bad all the same, and yet I can't shake off the feeling Yang would get off lighter than other potential Grabbyhands.

...heh. Hands.

At the very least Sun seems to get now that he's being obnoxious and Blake does not appreciate what he's doing.

edited 6th Nov '16 10:26:54 AM by FergardStratoavis

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#41586: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:26:55 AM

Why do I feel that everyone's getting pissed at Sun because they themselves did something like that in the past?

Not going to lie, I did some shit like that in High School, and I'm not proud of it at all. I can understand Sun's mistake there.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#41587: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:35:38 AM

[up] I've also been in a position where I was stalked for utterly creepy reasons to the point where I had to get my male friends to escort me places for a while until it was sorted out.

Not so long after this, a serial rapist was on the loose in the town and I got stuck walking home alone after dark (by accident not design). I got trailed by two cops as I walked home. I realised pretty quickly that I was being followed but it took a bit longer for me to realise they were cops. They confronted me only after they realised I had noticed them, and then insisted on walking me home (with a lecture about being out after dark alone while they were hunting a serial rapist - I felt thoroughly chastised by the end of it).

Yes, being followed was completely creepy both times even though the second time was done by men with good intentions rather than bad, but I could also separate it out as being very different experiences for very different reasons, and I do not consider the two situations at all comparable.

I therefore don't compare Sun's error in judgement to Adam's behaviour on the basis of this episode.

edited 6th Nov '16 10:38:29 AM by Wyldchyld

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#41588: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:36:29 AM

Sheesh, I can understand that what Sun was doing wasn't exactly nice, but comparing him to Adam?! Seriously?

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#41589: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:39:48 AM

And is Salem's lieutenant a creepy floating jellyfish?

According to the end credits tech-specs, it's a Seer Grimm.

So, Seer Grimm are a thing.

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#41591: Nov 6th 2016 at 10:50:47 AM

So do people dislike monkey boy again? That's the implication I'm getting right now.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#41592: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:33:09 AM

That seems to be the case. Look, there are ways to follow a friend and help them out that are not disturbing and desperate.

Sun has not chosen one of those ways.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#41593: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:33:31 AM

Sheesh, I can understand that what Sun was doing wasn't exactly nice, but comparing him to Adam?! Seriously?

When you act like a stalker to a girl who already has one said comparisons are inevitable.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#41594: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:36:44 AM

Also, Sun is kind of disturbingly cheerful given everything that just happened...

Also, Raven Branwen remains the worst mother ever. The fact she's not even bothering checking in on Yang?

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#41595: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:38:20 AM

You know what might salvage Sun somewhat? If the next episode reveals he is really traumatized, is faking happy, and overcompensated to the point where it caused some of the problematic behaviour in this episode.

I wonder if one of Salem's spare chairs is for Raven. Seems the sort of thing the show might do.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#41596: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:40:26 AM

[up] I'm somewhat suspicious that will turn out to be the case, and I also think there's some possibly that Yang may (presumably temporarily) end up following her mother to the dark side if that's the case.

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#41597: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:51:02 AM

'When you act like a stalker to a girl who already has one said comparisons are inevitable'

..For Better or worse.I'ed like to point out that Adam never really stalked Blake.When she first ran off,He was the one who veto'ed the suggestion to go look for her.

When he found her again,He had no idea she was it Beacon.She just happened to be there.

The only reason people are calling Adam a stalker seems to be because its part of the 'Abusive Boyfriend" character package rather than anything he actually did onscreen.

edited 6th Nov '16 12:00:54 PM by DeanCole

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41598: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:54:57 AM

Anyway, did it seems like the Semblances are working differently from established now? It always seemed like Blake's shadow clones disappeared as soon as they're touched by she had one throw her. And although we've only seen Sun use his once before, it seemed like he had to stay in place and be meditative to use it, and that wasn't really the case here. And of course there's Ruby "divide into three" trick she pulled in the trailer.

Is this supposed to be a sign that they've all gotten better or just the writers wanting to be less constrained?

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#41599: Nov 6th 2016 at 11:56:13 AM

[up]Well, we know that Semblances can work in multiple ways. The Schnee family has Instant Runes that do buffs and Summon Magic, so it makes sense that people can learn how to make their Semblances do "more".

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#41600: Nov 6th 2016 at 12:41:11 PM

Well this are my thoughts:

I still dont like 4 intro that much, I feel volume 3 is better, on the other hand it get the "healing" feels

-So everybody who try to capture Adam get crush? of course, THE EDGE IS HERE TO STAYevil grin I wonder if he kept cutting the arm of everyone invold.....also, hi PTDS good to see you.

-I was expecting to see golden robot arm but meh

-So I like this capitan and how she mock her paranoia

-Ok....I dont know what to thing about Sun, for one part is understandable why he go after Blake but his behivor was....kinda douchy actually.

-So far I have to said is the first time a grimm fight is actually interesting, maybe because they actually go to make the grimm treating enough for Sun and Blake, I feel have Monty animated this it will focus more on character being awsome and less in the moment of the fight as whole.

-Well, finally Salem show she can be creepy as hell if she wants to be, that scene actually surprised me, even more with hint of a relic and that aparenly Cinder really thinks she killed Ozpin....I dont think Salem is buying it

"I really hope, by the way, that she doesn't suddenly take an interest in him because of this. "

Well, Sun and Blake clearly have a intersting NOW, she is just fed up with him being playfull in the wrong moment, maybe they have more interaction later

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