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SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
The Mistress
#41476: Nov 5th 2016 at 2:07:40 PM

This thread is getting mite too warm.

I will go away until it cools a bit.

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#41477: Nov 5th 2016 at 2:07:44 PM

Re-rail this discussion away from personal attacks now.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41478: Nov 5th 2016 at 2:12:17 PM

So how many more sad Pyrrha moments are there going to be, you think?

TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#41479: Nov 5th 2016 at 2:14:06 PM

I really wish I could just spill some beans about the new episode to get some other discussion going on. I don't really like when one discussion draws out too long with no real progress.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#41480: Nov 5th 2016 at 2:14:08 PM

[up][up]As many as can be fit into the show, I would imagine. Hopefully they won't be the whole of Jaune's arc (pun intended).

So...odds on who each of Salem's goons winds up going up against? Tyrian's coming for Ruby at the moment, but what about Watts and Hazel?

edited 5th Nov '16 2:14:25 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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#41481: Nov 5th 2016 at 2:14:43 PM

One big one I think. With the shield and the video message I don't think they could do anything other than a big moment where team RNJR stops and deals with their grief.

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#41482: Nov 5th 2016 at 2:18:08 PM

[up][up] Hazel might intercept Blake and Watts seems like a Villain with Good Publicity so he might appear in the charity event.

edited 5th Nov '16 2:18:19 PM by TPPR10

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#41483: Nov 5th 2016 at 2:19:03 PM

Grief and remember all the good times each of them had together...the good times that don't really exist on-screen.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#41484: Nov 5th 2016 at 2:36:56 PM

...When does this happen a lot?
It happened with Weiss in this same episode. She goes to her dad's office, opens the door, and steps inside while they're talking privately, oblivious to her presence, and don't notice her until the door gently shuts behind her — and their plot-relevant conversation is finished anyway. RWBY has a weird habit of having its main characters hanging around for stuff that doesn't really involve them and they never do anything with the things they overhear. It's purely for the sake of the audience — which begs the question of why they don't just cut the unrelated character out of the scene to begin with. And why having plot-relevant moments imposes a -20 penalty to Spot checks. I'm positive that there are other examples as well, though I can't recall them off the top of my head, either.

So...odds on who each of Salem's goons winds up going up against? Tyrian's coming for Ruby at the moment, but what about Watts and Hazel?
My guess is that Hazel will end up encountering Blake as part of his involvement with White Fang, while Watts was ordered to Mistral so is more likely to run into Team RNJR. But Watts also strikes me as the upper class high-society type, so I also wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being connected to the Schnee family and ends up opposed to Weiss somehow. (Though given that, unlike Ruby and Blake, Weiss isn't directly in conflict with anyone at the moment, I'm not sure how they'd arrange that.)

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Alfric Sailing the Skies! from Crescent Isle Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#41485: Nov 5th 2016 at 2:41:13 PM

I expect that Tyrian's inevitable attack on team RWBY is going to be the first major turning point of the season. Being a member of the big evil council means he's almost assuredly going to be a match for the team together, and he also has the element of surprise and insanity making him unpredictable, so I expect the fight with him will be a wash. I do however expect that Jaune's semblance with manifest as the factor that enables them to fend him off, whether until help arrives from an outside source or until the group can regroup enough to fight back.

As for Ruby, she's been kinda bland but I'm hoping now that we've seen Jaune's reactions and coping mechanisms, we can more heavily focus on her when the main conflict inevitably comes barreling through, whether in the aftermath of Tyrian's attack or some other event occuring.

Just a slight touch upon the earlier stuff, I don't think Ruby was wrong to leave, insofar as Yang didn't seem to be improving and we have a minimum timespan of two months for her to have tried to help. Having the knowledge of whatever evil group that Cinder is apart of given to her by Qrow as well as knowing she has a power that could stop them would likely weigh on her for that time, and knowing that her friends died because she wasn't able to stop Cinder before would work as a strong motivater to prevent similar evil.

As for Cinder, I don't want any wangst, and I don't think anyone was arguing for that, just that once Ruby sees Cinder's condition, a wince and acknowledgment of her own lack of control with the power would be understandable. Although, I doubt Ruby's gonna see fucked up Cinder anytime soon, since Cinder is IIRC taking a staycation while the others go out and do work in the world. By the time they meet up, Ruby might be more used to seeing those kinds of things by then.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41486: Nov 5th 2016 at 2:42:54 PM

[up][up]Different question then, why the snark? Because what you describe doesn't sound particularly snarkworthy or jarring.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#41487: Nov 5th 2016 at 2:46:01 PM

and insanity making him unpredictable

I have never understood where people get this notion from. Characters like Tyrian are usually pretty damn predictable. They prioritize hurting people above all else.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#41488: Nov 5th 2016 at 2:48:51 PM

Yes, but the way how they do that is unpredictable.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#41489: Nov 5th 2016 at 2:51:22 PM

Not really. The character archetype typically does all the same things another villain would do (perhaps with more evil laughter along the way).

I mean, I can buy I suppose that this level of homicidal madness might come as a surprise to Ruby and her crew, since they haven't really encountered it before, but as an audience member I don't really expect to be caught off guard by anything he does.

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#41490: Nov 5th 2016 at 3:02:15 PM

I do want to see more of Ruby having to deal with the fact that there are traitors to their own race helping Salem bring about the fall of humanity for whatever their reasons are, because it outright clashes with her initial view of heroic or helpless humanity vs the evil Grimm and adding evil people into it complciates it immensely and I hope she has to deal with and accept a much more complciated world.

She doesn't have to turn edge or dark but becoming more mature and understanding of the world would be much better than her desperately trying to stick to her (clearly prove wrong at this point) fairy tail view of the world. Summer was implied to have done it, Ruby should too.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#41491: Nov 5th 2016 at 3:18:09 PM

Different question then, why the snark? Because what you describe doesn't sound particularly snarkworthy or jarring.
Because it's another example of RWBY not being particularly well-written. The staff seems to have trouble keeping their Watsonian and Doylist straight. From a Doylist perspective, the reason to have a main character around to eavesdrop on something is so the audience can learn the information that's overheard — but that raises Watsonian questions like "why doesn't the character who overheard it ever act on that information?" and "why doesn't anyone being overheard ever notice their incredibly-obvious eavesdroppers?". This is especially silly because there's no reason the eavesdropper has to be there in the first place — simply show the audience the scene without bothering to use the eavesdropping as a framing device. If you remove Ruby from the scene of Jaune training with the recording of Pyrrha, then what does that scene lose? The bit with Ruby dreaming about Pyrrha, and the fact that Ruby now knows Jaune has been secretly training with a recording of Pyrrha. The former was already covered in an earlier scene anyway, and the latter will probably never come up again, making the Ruby's presence pointless. So why include her?

I do however expect that Jaune's semblance with manifest as the factor that enables them to fend him off
That would be nice. Jaune's been pegged as the Can't Catch Up guy for three seasons now. Only rigorous training keeps him from being completely useless, and even with that, he's still pretty low-tier compared to the rest of teams RWBY and JNPR, despite being the only one we actually ever see training.

That said, I've never really been happy with the way RWBY handles the whole "semblance" thing. They're wildly varied in nature and power, which sort of annoys me, though not really for any good reason. I just prefer magic systems that are more consistent.

edited 5th Nov '16 3:19:06 PM by NativeJovian

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DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#41492: Nov 5th 2016 at 3:59:56 PM

I've actually been really happy.with way they handle jaune's combat skills.Show just enough to show him improving.While that the same time keeping him behind the rest of the cast.Lets not forget he had no combat training prior to Beacon.While the rest of cast have been training for most of there lives.They have already done the work he is doing.So him being behind makes sense.

Even with Pyrrha tutoring him its a miracle he was able to close the gap this much already.

edited 5th Nov '16 4:07:24 PM by DeanCole

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#41493: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:03:43 PM

[up][up] You probably hate mutants and Stands then, seeing a show they're as varied as it gets.

Also, why are you instantly assuming that Ruby's knowledge of Jaune's training will amount to nothing? We're literally only three episodes into the volume. Anything could happen.

edited 5th Nov '16 4:03:55 PM by Zelenal

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#41494: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:06:25 PM

You probably hate mutants and Stands then, seeing a show they're as varied as it gets.

I once again feel obligated to point out that this is not an argument.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#41495: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:07:07 PM

Stuff not getting addressed immediately really gets the blood at room temperature...

Especially when it's among a string of pointless moments.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#41496: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:07:36 PM

That's because it's not. It's an observation.

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DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#41497: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:09:46 PM

[up][up]It happen that the end of the episode though.Kinda jumping the gun here.

edited 5th Nov '16 4:16:05 PM by DeanCole

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#41498: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:12:05 PM

That's fine, it wasn't my criticism anyway.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#41499: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:20:41 PM

God, do I hate Sun even more after this episode...

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#41500: Nov 5th 2016 at 4:23:45 PM

Also, why are you instantly assuming that Ruby's knowledge of Jaune's training will amount to nothing? We're literally only three episodes into the volume. Anything could happen.

People love jumping to conclusions and assuming the worst. You should have seen this place after episodes 6 and 7 of volume 3, some people legitimately seemed to think that Yang was about to be gunned down by Atlas soldiers.

[up]Please wait until tomorrow before discussing the episode, even in spoiler tags.

edited 5th Nov '16 4:24:36 PM by Shaoken


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