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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41301: Nov 3rd 2016 at 9:17:53 PM

[up][up]I'm aware,that's why I noted she didn't have her scythe.

Not to downplay Roman or say it would be an easy or assured victory, but I just don't take him winning as given. Situation counts for a lot.

edited 3rd Nov '16 9:18:29 PM by LSBK

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#41302: Nov 3rd 2016 at 9:19:10 PM

Oh I love posting this thing.

I mean, that was like 25 percent a crack about Blake <.< This was less "Blake was terrible" and more "Torchwick was actually badass." Blake leapt in, had multiple angles of attack, and Torchwick busts out his cane-fu and blocks all of it, parries, decks her, hits her in the side, and then gets two solid hits in, and knocked her down. Then Sun shows up and starts unleashing bullet hell but Torchwick mostly bobs and weaves, and probably would've wailed on Sun too if Blake hadn't leapt back in.

At the very least he wasn't exactly losing, he did better than his squad of goons did when they had them surrounded.

edited 3rd Nov '16 9:21:20 PM by Soble

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#41303: Nov 3rd 2016 at 9:23:57 PM

Man, I forgot how awesome Penny was.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41304: Nov 3rd 2016 at 9:24:30 PM

Eh, I'd assume everyone important in the setting could fight until explicitly shown otherwise.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#41305: Nov 3rd 2016 at 9:29:53 PM

There's a difference between assuming someone can fight, though, and assuming they can take on two opponents at once, which Roman managed to do there.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41306: Nov 3rd 2016 at 9:32:20 PM

He didn't actually fight them coming at him at the same time, but point taken.

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#41307: Nov 3rd 2016 at 9:35:01 PM

A lot of these fights keep getting interrupted, so I can't say with any certainty who would win. We can say who was winning at any given time, the moment before the fight was interrupted being the usual point, but unless someone got knocked out, captured, eaten, or forced to run away I wouldn't say anything definite.

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#41308: Nov 3rd 2016 at 9:55:01 PM

Characters would die if fights weren't interrupted...

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#41309: Nov 3rd 2016 at 10:45:14 PM

Hi guys and gals. I just fully got into RWBY and here are some of my random thoughts:

  • Of course the fights have to be interupted. As someone who took combatives in the US Army, older more experienced fighters will mostly whup the ass of those with less experience. Now the story has the fights "interrupted" in a believable way. Not "adults are stupid" but "wow those kids are lucky/getting better".
    • Ruby Rose used strategy to beat Neo and Torchwick would have killed her if not for the Grimm that wanted a snack.

  • The show is a lot like Babylon Five with it's arcs, deeper characters and payoffs. People who complain about the Chekovs Gun in RWBY, oh my sweet summer child, I'm a B5 fan, we're used to it.
    • Salem would've made a great Shadow and Ozpin is Koshlike in his reasoning....and someone is now making fan art of Ivanova with Cresent Rose aren't they?

  • Ruby's eye power eyebeams, again, some sublte signs were dropped and that the semblance seems to be boosted/triggered by emotions (Hulking Out seems to be pretty standard among hunters). I have no problem with it, hints were dropped and Ruby seemed drained afterwards. Lyta and Talia from Babylon Five were hinted at in a similar fashion. Star Trek Voyager had Seven of Nine and the writers pulled new powers out of her catsuit as the plot demanded it. So I give Ruby Rose a pass.
    • I suspect that the villains plan lots of surprise attacks because they know that an angry hunter/huntress is hard to kill. Hence Cinder and Salem try to undermine people's faith and confidence.
  • Emerald targeted Penny via Pyrra because I believe her semblance doesn't work on robots. Wonder if she was told to do it or Emerald did that hit job on her own....

Back to your regularly scheduled madness...

edited 3rd Nov '16 11:58:19 PM by TairaMai

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#41310: Nov 3rd 2016 at 10:55:05 PM

Now that I think about, I knew I've seen something like the end of Vol 3 before.

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#41311: Nov 3rd 2016 at 10:58:09 PM

Aw, Metru Nui. I remember the movie from that Bionicle arc.

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#41312: Nov 3rd 2016 at 11:59:39 PM

Yeah the Matrix strikes again damn these robots we made!

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#41313: Nov 4th 2016 at 6:43:30 AM

If Roman was written out because he was supposed to be a Starter Villain and not strong enough to threaten the protagonists anymore, then having him go out after having defeated Ruby is extremely dumb. Having him go down after putting up a good fight but being soundly defeated in the end would fit that idea, but that's not what they did.

Ultimately, I feel like RWBY suffers in terms of its overall plotting. The fights are a lot of fun, and the dialogue and writing scene-by-scene is generally pretty good, but it falls flat at telling an overarching story.

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#41314: Nov 4th 2016 at 6:48:18 AM

Its somewhat understandable, as Arcs 1-3 were originally supposed to be one whole season, but Rooster Teeth's budget constraints couldn't make it happen, so they had to be split into 3 seperate seasons.

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#41315: Nov 4th 2016 at 7:24:15 AM

I agree that Ruby should have definitively beaten Torchwick given the reason for his departure. I also agree that she should have killed him AND that she's unlikely to be comfortable with killing a person. Imagine a scenario where in the course of the airship fight, Ruby decisively nails Torchwick in a fashion that causes him to buckle off the ship itself, only to then be eaten by the dragon. That's just one idea for how it could come about, but the point would be twofold.

  1. Firmly establishing that Ruby has surpassed Torchwick in ability and, as such, his role of Starter Villain is now complete.
  2. Giving Ruby a character arc for season four by having to deal emotionally with the fact that a) she killed a person and b) it's more of a thing she feels like she should regret than a thing she actually regrets, because he was a murderous shithead that was actively endangering countless lives.

Ruby's training to be a combatant. She's going to have to deal with the reality of blood on her hands eventually, and this was a golden opportunity for that moment.

As it stands, the audience is left feeling like Torchwick still had a lot of mileage in him and was cut down in his prime, while Ruby doesn't really have much of an arc in season 4. She's just Ruby continuing to be Ruby with a different set of teammates supporting her 'cause hers are in the shop.

edited 4th Nov '16 7:26:50 AM by TobiasDrake

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#41316: Nov 4th 2016 at 8:55:13 AM

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#41317: Nov 4th 2016 at 9:31:44 AM

For better or worse, RWBY often treats its characters like walking bundles of fanservice (in a non-necessarily-sexual way, I mean). In this case, Roman was a fan favourite, and since his time was up, they let him go out with a bang by beating up RWBY while delivering an impactful Motive Rant and dying mostly by sheer luck. It's got its upsides and downsides.

That said, having Ruby agonize over having killed someone... really wouldn't have much place with Ruby's character right now. I get the feeling having her be more or less the stable center while everyone else is going through some major drama is kind of the point.

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#41318: Nov 4th 2016 at 9:46:55 AM

@Tobias: Ruby's character arc may end up being the "lack" of a true arc; staying optimistic, sunny, and generally upbeat in spite of the suffering she and her friends have and undoubtedly will be going through. The best character development in my opinion would not be for that optimism to be crushed, but rather for her to become a bit less oblivious and naive.

edited 4th Nov '16 9:47:51 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#41319: Nov 4th 2016 at 9:58:22 AM

I will have to agree about Roman: he pretty much have the best part of chararter devolpment, showing his concern with Neo, his annoying of Ruby of what he repesent and is rant about the world being cold, that dosent look like conclution of his arc but instead a point for more devolpment which was suddenly shock, it dosent help it show a good cordination with Neo(which is something weird to find in this series) and he just beat Ruby right there.

and on Ruby...well, is hard to said so far she have been a fairly static chararter, specially in season 3 where the focus was elsewhere, let hope they give here more now

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#41320: Nov 4th 2016 at 11:24:38 AM

@Tobias: Ruby's character arc may end up being the "lack" of a true arc; staying optimistic, sunny, and generally upbeat in spite of the suffering she and her friends have and undoubtedly will be going through. The best character development in my opinion would not be for that optimism to be crushed, but rather for her to become a bit less oblivious and naive.

I don't want her optimism crushed either. I want it challenged so that it can rise above. I want her to be optimistic and sunny despite hardship rather than in in absence of it.

Like, right now, her sister is going through Hell with the loss of her arm. Yang could use some optimism. But Ruby promptly f*cked off to join Team Adventure and go have a super-sweet journey of awesomeness so she doesn't have to deal with her sister's drama. Her static personality is going out of its way to avoid conflict rather than developing and overcoming it.

edited 4th Nov '16 11:25:16 AM by TobiasDrake

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#41321: Nov 4th 2016 at 11:37:04 AM

I feel like, since she's the main character, she's meant to observe the development of other characters rather than recieve some herself.

Like, if we consider Jaune the other focal character, he'd be the Supporting Protagonist to her role as The Hero.

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#41322: Nov 4th 2016 at 11:37:50 AM

Uh. Main characters are supposed to develop and grow more than supporting ones. It's their story.

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#41323: Nov 4th 2016 at 11:44:51 AM

I feel like the seeds of Ruby's development have already been planted, we're just not at the point in the volume where it'll come up.

edited 4th Nov '16 11:53:23 AM by LSBK

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#41324: Nov 4th 2016 at 11:50:50 AM

The complaint is that the fight with Roman was a perfect opportunity for that development to begin kicking in, and they wasted it. (Plus the fact that Roman winning the fight and then dying anyway was rather unsatisfying, narratively speaking.)

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#41325: Nov 4th 2016 at 11:56:58 AM

Like, right now, her sister is going through Hell with the loss of her arm. Yang could use some optimism. But Ruby promptly f*cked off to join Team Adventure and go have a super-sweet journey of awesomeness so she doesn't have to deal with her sister's drama. Her static personality is going out of its way to avoid conflict rather than developing and overcoming it.

Where are you getting this from? Nothing at all indicates she's just trying to avoid drama, or especially helping Yang. She sees that there's a job to be done, and that she's one of the only people qualified or capable of doing it. Yang's arc is now gonna be on her, not Ruby.

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