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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40951: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:51:26 AM

I'm still confused on what was supposed to be the Maiden's power and what was supposed to be Cinder's semblance.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
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#40953: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:55:45 AM

I don't think that the Silver Eyes power defeating Cinder was necessarily what was important, so much as it defeating the dragon was. Best case scenario, Ruby manages to take down Cinder after a prolonged battle. Then the dragon eats her and resumes destroying Vale.

Cinder's damage was already done. Beacon Tower was destroyed, CCT was torn down, the dragon was unleashed upon the city, the Fall Maiden was killed and her power assimilated, Ozpin was killed or abducted or whatever happened to him. Also, Pyrrha died. The Silver Eyes meltdown defeating her achieved nothing. She'd already won and none of her victories could be taken back.

But it also froze the dragon, which moved the needle on the Vale battle from "HAHAHA you're screwed" to "might be possible".

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40954: Oct 30th 2016 at 11:01:41 AM

How long should we spoiler talking about the new episode? To be safe, I love how stereotypically, yet subtlety, Weiss has the messed up rich person family. Seriously, her first thought is that her parents are arguing, then her brother casually says that mother is already drinking in the garden as if that should be obvious.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#40955: Oct 30th 2016 at 11:03:20 AM

I appreciate that her dad is more subtlety manipulative than some were expecting. "It would make a lot of people happy" indeed.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#40956: Oct 30th 2016 at 11:11:02 AM

[up](2) I asked that same question and never got a unified answer either.

We may now return to making jokes about Adam the edgelord and Jaune and/or Blake being useless.

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edited 30th Oct '16 11:12:24 AM by Soble

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#40957: Oct 30th 2016 at 11:13:33 AM

I asked this same question and never got an answer.

And answered by an edit.

edited 30th Oct '16 11:14:03 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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#40958: Oct 30th 2016 at 11:17:12 AM

Wait, I'm confused, you're calling it a Deus ex Machina even though you admit it didn't fix most things in the situation and the villains plans are still going strong? Ruby's powers just gave a momentary reprieve, not a magical cure all to the situation like the term implies.
I already did a literally sentence-by-sentence breakdown of why I think it fits the trope definition, so I'm not sure what else to tell you. No, it didn't magically fix everything, but it did stop the dragon and allow Ruby to survive her encounter with Cinder, when there were no viable ways for either of those things to happen without out-of-nowhere silver eye powers, so it still counts.

In any case, the point is, I found it a massively unsatisfying plot twist and the worst sort of lazy writing. Whether or not you agree that it's technically an example of the Deus ex Machina trope, it still soured me on the series.

Actually it's an example of Chekhov's Gun; a situation where a previously insignificant detail becomes significant, and either way, this is something that happened early on in the overall plot of the series, so it's not nearly as much of an issue of this sort of thing happening near the end.
"Ruby has silver eyes" would be a Chekhov's Gun if a situation came up where they need someone with silver eyes for some reason. Ruby gaining superpowers because of her silver eyes, when silver-eyed superpowers had never been mentioned before, is a Deus ex Machina.

Anyway, I'll probably end up giving the first couple episodes of season four a shot and see what I think of them, since they've apparently pulled back somewhat from the tone at the end of season three. We'll see how it goes.

edited 30th Oct '16 11:17:24 AM by NativeJovian

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VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#40959: Oct 30th 2016 at 11:17:31 AM

You're right — that example is a Diabolus ex Machina instead, since it's a bad thing happening instead of a good one. But it fills the same criteria — something comes completely out of left field and radically changes the course of the plot, which is immensely unsatisfying because it feels like the author is jerking the audience around rather than feeling like a reasonable development of the story based on what we know of it so far.
I can't see how it was. It was established Envy could shapeshift in the second episode, was working with Lust, and clearly orchestrating something bad behind the notice of the protagonists after they were behind Cornello. Before Envy killed Hughes, Lust tried to. Hughes finds something's off in an investigation, and then they try to kill him. The only link missing there is "What Hughes has found relates to the homunculi's activities" which isn't much of a leap considering the rest of what I mentioned.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#40960: Oct 30th 2016 at 11:18:24 AM

[up]x4 When Youtube ver. comes spoiler tagging will become pointless for the current episode...

But new episode will be out by then and no one will continue talking about previous episode...

Except for the one slowpoke.

edited 30th Oct '16 11:18:49 AM by randomness4

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DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#40961: Oct 30th 2016 at 11:25:09 AM

'"Ruby has silver eyes" would be a Chekhov's Gun if a situation came up where they need someone with silver eyes for some reason. Ruby gaining superpowers because of her silver eyes, when silver-eyed superpowers had never been mentioned before, is a Deus ex Machina.'

Not necessary.Hers the example from the Chekhov's Gun Page.

'a character may find a mysterious necklace that turns out to be the power source to the Doomsday Device, but at the time of finding the object it does not seem important. The necklace was essential to the story, but its introduction downplayed its importance. .

The part in bold fits the Silver eyes thing.

edited 30th Oct '16 11:26:32 AM by DeanCole

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40962: Oct 30th 2016 at 11:32:16 AM

Anyway, I'm looking forward to Jaune and Ruby's relationship expanding. Early volume 1 made it seem like they'd be closer than they actually turned out to be, and I like that it seems like they're going back to that.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#40963: Oct 30th 2016 at 11:35:45 AM

...Lancaster, sliding down the banister of love platonic best friendship.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#40964: Oct 30th 2016 at 11:41:08 AM

I think they're gonna be friends...

Just like Norkyrie and Ren...

The best of friends...

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VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#40965: Oct 30th 2016 at 11:56:41 AM

[up]I think everyone agrees that repeating Ren and Nora again with Jaune and Ruby would be painful because that would make Jaune denser than osmium.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#40966: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:01:20 PM

That would require Rwby to be attracted to him...and when would that ever happen ever?

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#40967: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:03:54 PM

Weiss is a very different person around her family. The person she's most Weiss-y around are her brother and butler. So she adored her older sister and has at least a decent relationship with her brother, wonder why the other two sibling don't get along.

Looking back, Ruby shouldn't have been surprised by Jaune's hoodie. Remember his pajamas?

edited 30th Oct '16 12:04:56 PM by Parable

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#40968: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:05:17 PM

[up][up]I was hoping to highlight that would be necessary to be like Nora and Ren.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#40969: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:10:03 PM

[up][up]She probably wouldn't remember that, she only saw them once...and while I know that in fiction land characters have impeccable memory, it's been more than a year since.

[up]They both like eachother...they're just denying the possibility for safe reason.

edited 30th Oct '16 12:11:47 PM by randomness4

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VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#40970: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:15:39 PM

[up]I'll have to admit despite shipping it that Ren's definitely mum on the matter.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40971: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:18:05 PM

Speaking of Ren and Nora, we're probably going to get backstory this volume. I'm surprised no one mentioned the look they exchanged, they clearly have an idea of what happened and who did it.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#40972: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:18:51 PM

[up][up][up] You always remember pajamas. This has been proven by science.

Gotta agree with Papa Schnee here, starting a dust famine isn't going to help with the tensions between Atlas and the other kingdoms. It just looks like they're hoarding for their own military.

edited 30th Oct '16 12:19:03 PM by Parable

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#40973: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:27:27 PM

[up] It's a securitization paradox in action; Atlas takes a precaution (stockpiling dust) in response to aggressive posturing by the other nations of remnant, which to them looks like an act of economic warfare, leading to further posturing and escalation, not entirely unlike 80% of the cold war.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#40974: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:27:28 PM

If Ren doesn't know he's even more oblivious than Jaune.

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#40975: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:28:48 PM

He's afraid to reciprocate because he's tired of making pancakes.


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