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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#40801: Oct 28th 2016 at 4:31:23 PM

I'm more interested in the empty seats and if that means they have other members on more pressing missions right now.

Looking for the remaining two Maidens, perhaps?

What interests me is that a single man has been sent after a Maiden. Cinder needed help to take on the Fall Maiden from a trained assassin and a person capable of mind-screwing others. It still wasn't a cake-walk. So, is Tyrian going to do it alone or will he recruit (he doesn't seem like the recruiting type, but you never know).

None of the men seem intimidated by the idea of Maiden powers. I do like the fact Maidens haven't been made broken just because magic is different (fans have hyped them far more than the show ever has), it still suggests the men don't know enough. They've been given just enough knowledge to bait them into Salem's plans.

Salem did imply that silver-eyed warriors are more powerful than Maidens, and Hazel did say silver eyes have been dealt with before, so there could be in-universe reasons beyond simply lack of knowledge for them to be so unconcerned about Maiden power. They've already dealt with something they've been told is worse.

Where we watching the same fight? Pyrrha did well, but Cinder was in control for basically the entire time, and if not for Ruby, would have come out completely unscathed.

Cinder and Pyrrha were pretty well matched. There was a nice ebb and flow where one gained the advantage over the other at different times, but even with the Maiden power, Cinder needed the dragon's help as a distraction. It was only when Pyrrha ran out of Aura that things changed.

The Amber fight did show it, but not well. The Pyrrha fight showed it very strongly: Semblances can match magic. The difference is how long they can be used for - Semblance is on a clock, set by how long the Aura will last. Magic doesn't have that specific restriction. If the Semblance user can't win before their Aura runs out, it'll be game over for them. That's what happened to Pyrrha.

Everyone in Team RWBY becoming a Maiden eventually seems pretty likely to me.

I really don't like the idea of Ruby having two different kinds of power, and the silver-eye power has been suggested to far exceed Maiden power anyway. Certainly, Salem seems determined to give her subordinates that impression and, given that Ruby's the main character, that would be typical.

I suppose the four obvious candidates are Weiss, Blake, Yang and Nora. Nora would be the Spring or Autumn candidate, especially Spring. In European folklore, thunderstorms are associated with both seasons, but the folklore goes that Winter's spell is broken by thunder, which signals the arrival of Spring (and the awakening of the serpents). Also, the leader of the valkyries was Freya, the goddess of love and spring. As far as Autumn goes, it's also a storm month and the way Amber used her power shows how it might apply to Nora.

I guess it depends on whether Blake's best suited to Spring or Autumn. In Europe, cats are heavily associated with autumn and winter - protecting the harvest and the grain from mice and rats. But also, Autumn was the part of the year where the boundaries between worlds were thinnest and ghosts/spirits/fairies/etc. most active - cats were guardians at this time of year, especially black cats (black cats are traditionally considered good luck in the UK - it's white cats that can be good or bad luck depending on region because white used to be a funerary colour associated with death and ghosts; things changed around WW 1 as far as what colour to wear to a funeral, but white animals kept the otherworldly superstition, they either protect from otherworldly mischief, are otherworldly messengers, or are magnets for otherworldly mischief).

I'm not sure about Weiss though. It looks like something's up with her family's power heritage, so perhaps she's not as obvious a candidate for Winter Maiden as we think if she has a legacy power herself.

edited 28th Oct '16 4:35:34 PM by Wyldchyld

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40802: Oct 28th 2016 at 4:37:10 PM

Salem seemed to be implying that the Silver Eye powers work as a specific counter to the Maiden powers, but that's not the same thing as greatly exceeding them in general utility or strength. If that were the case you'd think they'd be going after them (too).

edited 28th Oct '16 4:39:03 PM by LSBK

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#40803: Oct 28th 2016 at 4:45:35 PM

It's likely because of the way Cinder became a maiden.

Just Makima.
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#40804: Oct 28th 2016 at 4:49:14 PM

[up][up] I really don't trust what Salem said. The men clearly didn't know what happened between Cinder and Ruby. They couldn't figure out how Ruby could have beaten Cinder at all. It was clearly suspicious to them. Salem rushed that Maiden explanation in 'Oh, Maidens are vulnerable to silver eye warriors, that's all there is to it'. Men shut up and drop subject, Cinder gets a sudden wide-eyed realisation when Salem tells her she's got a vulnerability that the men don't get. It creates the impression that Maiden powers are inferior to the silver-eye powers, and the men seem to buy it.

As far as I'm concerned, Salem was sending Cinder a coded message that the men were not meant to understand - it's not Maidens in general who have this crippling weakness to silver-eye warriors, it's Cinder very specifically because she needed a Monster of Grimm to obtain the Fall Maiden's power. Silver-eye power is specifically stated to target the Grimm. Since Cinder's status as a Maiden depends on a Monster of Grimm, she should be vulnerable to it.

Ergo, the men don't know how Cinder was able to become a Maiden. They simply know she's the one they needed to become the Fall Maiden, which is why they don't know how Ruby defeated and injured her, and they don't know why she's vulnerable. They've instead been told that all Maidens are vulnerable to Ruby, just to hide something that's specific to Cinder.

Of course, if Maiden power really is vulnerable to Grimm-targeting silver-eye power, that would be really, really interesting. I just didn't get that impression from the scene. It seemed more like Salem was hiding Cinder's parasitic Grimm from the others.

edited 28th Oct '16 4:53:14 PM by Wyldchyld

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#40805: Oct 28th 2016 at 4:52:29 PM

[up]I'm assuming something like that, but I really wouldn't call that Salem lying. How she stole and keeps the power is pretty tangibly connected Cinder's possession of it.

Not that I think Salem has clued them in on everything she has planned, mind you.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#40806: Oct 28th 2016 at 4:55:08 PM

I didn't say she was lying, but now that we're using the word, I think she lied by omission and exaggeration. She deliberately let the men think she was saying all Maidens are vulnerable because that's the nature of Maiden power, when she really meant Cinder's the Maiden that's vulnerable because of the method she used to become a Maiden.

I've never believed that Cinder knows the true reason why Salem wants her to become a Maiden, and Cinder's reaction to Salem's comments about the vulnerability helps me to keep thinking that. Cinder didn't know before she became the Fall Maiden that this catch existed, so she clearly hasn't been kept informed. Like the men, she's only given enough information to bait her into being useful. After all, becoming the Fall Maiden suddenly made Cinder the exact opposite of what she wanted to be. Instead of strong, powerful and feared, she's weak, powerless and mocked. For now, anyway.

edited 28th Oct '16 4:57:53 PM by Wyldchyld

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#40807: Oct 28th 2016 at 4:56:51 PM

Hmm, fair enough. I wonder how long it'll take for Ruby to get captured. Also, I'm assuming Tyrian is going to recognize a resemblance to Summer, but that won't necessarily mean he's the one who killed her.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#40808: Oct 28th 2016 at 5:03:55 PM

Yeah, I think Hazel's the obvious candidate for now for Summer's death, but it doesn't even have to be him.

I'm interested in finding out who the Mistral informant. Raven's an option. However, I've been wondering for a long time if one of the Academy heads was working against Ozpin (an informant inside the Brotherhood), so the informant could even turn out to be someone like the Haven head.

That said, I'm expecting the Haven head to be another Wizard of Oz themed character - two Academy heads are, so it makes sense for the other two heads to be - Cowardly Lion and Dorothy are the obvious choices, although I've always been a fan of the Cowardly Lion being the former (peaceful) White Fang leader who stepped down, which resulted in the White Fang becoming the violent organisation we're familiar with. If one Academy head turns out to be a villain, there are a couple of Wizard of Oz characters that could be contenders (mostly female).

After seeing the Volume 4 opening credits, I'm expecting the Cowardly Lion to be Blake's father - it would make so much sense, especially with Blake having a coward's perception of herself, and add a nice touch of irony to Ozpin's private conversation with Blake if Ozpin has known her father all along.

edited 28th Oct '16 5:06:33 PM by Wyldchyld

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#40809: Oct 28th 2016 at 5:09:30 PM

So many Oz parallels who is the man behind the curtain?

Just Makima.
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#40810: Oct 28th 2016 at 5:15:23 PM

[up] A flawed man who has made many mistakes - including some terrible ones.

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#40811: Oct 29th 2016 at 4:57:11 AM

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#40812: Oct 29th 2016 at 5:58:18 AM

Quick request for when the episode comes out for sponsors. Since we are FINALLY going to see Weiss's father can someone post what his name is and how much of an asshole he is on a scale of 1 to 10?

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#40814: Oct 29th 2016 at 6:38:41 AM

Thanks I don't want the while episode spoilered but I just want to know those two things.

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#40815: Oct 29th 2016 at 8:26:16 AM

Mr. Schee's name is Jacques.

Weiss family spoiler 

edited 29th Oct '16 8:31:01 AM by TPPR10

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#40816: Oct 29th 2016 at 8:34:34 AM

Watching the episode right now. Not sure why anyone compares Tyrian to Kimblee. Kimblee had class. Tyrian's just an absolutely bog-standard giggling psycho (at least so far), and a childish one at that. I could see a comparison to the 2003!Kimblee I guess, but certainly not to the manga or Brotherhood versions.

edited 29th Oct '16 8:36:30 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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#40817: Oct 29th 2016 at 8:54:00 AM

Jacques, Weiss's Dad, actually isn't that much of an ass other then probably forcing Weiss to sing when he never asked her too.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40818: Oct 29th 2016 at 8:55:01 AM

[up]I thought we weren't commenting until everyone with a Rooster Teeth account could see it? That's what other people said, anyway.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#40819: Oct 29th 2016 at 8:57:45 AM

[up][up]That we've seen. Who knows, maybe he will be as much of an ass as we thought.

[up]I believe that was the agreement, yes.

edited 29th Oct '16 8:59:10 AM by BlackSunNocturne

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#40820: Oct 29th 2016 at 8:58:48 AM

Or maybe he won't be?

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#40821: Oct 29th 2016 at 9:04:21 AM

We can at least name drop characters we have seen but haven't been named?

But I guess on Jacques, is there any other colour connection aside that his name sounds similar to Jack (as in, Jack Frost)?

edited 29th Oct '16 9:04:52 AM by TPPR10

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#40822: Oct 29th 2016 at 9:08:20 AM

Doesn't Schnee already cover it?

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#40823: Oct 29th 2016 at 9:09:52 AM

[up]It does. Especially since James doesn't follow that rule, but Ironwood does.

[up][up]Jacques is the French form of Jack. So.... yeah [lol]

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#40824: Oct 29th 2016 at 9:22:47 AM

Having finished the first episode...okay random farm dude had better turn out to be important or I wasted several minutes of my life watching him do chores.

Nice to see Jaune taking a stab at competency again. Hopefully it lasts.

The contempt that Watts and the others have for Cinder seems somewhat odd. Watts makes a comment about how he's glad Ruby seared her throat because it shuts her up, but Cinder was never much of a talker to start with. I get the feeling that there's a former power dynamic that we're not seeing here.

I think Ren had more dialogue here than he did in the entirety of the previous season (seasons?). Hopefully he and Nora get some development this season.

MrTerrorist Since: Aug, 2009
#40825: Oct 29th 2016 at 9:26:20 AM

lol

So a fancomic that suggests that Jaune's sisters like to dress him up girly is now canon as Jaune reveals his sisters made him have pigtails!

And the last part was so sad.


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