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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#40751: Oct 25th 2016 at 4:21:06 PM

Because Team SSSN is just "literature" which is a broad category, whereas RWBY is "fairy tale literature" and JNPR is "mytholofical figures who cross-dressed," considerably more narrow.

[up][up]Didn't Pyrrha rest her head on Jaune's shoulder while they were sitting outside, and the romantic music was playing and the two leaves landed on the ground next to them. Not only that but Pyrrha previously spilled the beans and told Jaune, "Idiot, I wanted to go to the dance with you." And then Jaune put on a dress to make her smile again.

I mean it wasn't footsies and promise rings, but it seemed close enough to "Dating without saying it out loud."

edited 25th Oct '16 4:30:01 PM by Soble

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#40752: Oct 25th 2016 at 4:23:40 PM

Well let's see:

Aside from Neptune, all of them are based on literature that are widely considered some of the best (hell, Journey to the West is one of the Four Great Classical Novels of Chinese literature).

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40753: Oct 25th 2016 at 4:33:30 PM

I'm pretty sure Jaune didn't get it until she straight up kissed him. And then she died.

And she didn't say she wanted to go with him, she said she wanted go with someone like him. Which to some people would give it away, but Jaune has been shown to be dense enough in this area that I'd buy him still not getting it.

edited 25th Oct '16 4:42:32 PM by LSBK

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#40754: Oct 25th 2016 at 4:35:44 PM

[up](2) Objection:

Sun Wukong is, obviously, based on the character of the same name from Journey to the West.

According to Monty, Scarlet is an homage to Peter Pan in Scarlet

Neptune Vasilias was based off Neptune, the Roman god of the sea

Though it is unknown which specific character was the inspiration for Sage Ayana, it is known that the character was from one of Aesop's Fables.

Journey to the West sure, but Peter Pan and Aesop's Fables are "considered the best?"

And Neptune, what story is he part of? Poseidon was in The Odyssey and even then, he's from Greek mythology, not just that story. I'm not familiar with Roman mythology or any related stories.

[up] Hmm.

edited 25th Oct '16 4:38:16 PM by Soble

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#40755: Oct 25th 2016 at 4:41:14 PM

[up][up]Someone like him...but not actually him. He did seem to be the low self-esteem type, this was probably the thought going through his head when she said that.

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#40756: Oct 25th 2016 at 4:48:29 PM

Team SSSN isn't just general literature. It's literature that specifically associates people with being animals.

In the Monkey King, there are lots of cases of people or gods being 'animalised' as punishments and to force them to learn wisdom.

As far as Peter Pan is concerned, the idea in the story is that all children come from birds, but Peter is closer than most and is implied to be half-bird.

The God Neptune isn't simply a water god (all sources of water), he's the god of horses, too. He gave the horse its purpose as a vehicle of war. The horse god Consus was eventually combined with Neptune to create Neptunus Equestris.

In a non-literary reference, King Neptune was also a WW 2 naval mascot and hero (he was a pig, and one of the Monkey King's companions in the Journey to the West is a human who has been turned into a pig-man as part of a punishment).

If we want to identify which Aesop's Fable inspired Sage, we need to find the Aesop's Fable that associated a human with an animal, because that's the literary theme of Team SSSN as far as I can see.

edited 25th Oct '16 4:49:35 PM by Wyldchyld

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#40757: Oct 25th 2016 at 5:37:24 PM

Jaune did get an understanding that her fame made it very difficult to make meaningful friends. He didn't seem to understand her exact feelings until the kiss.

Weiss intent seemed to be pair up with someone of known talent and she could rule the school with apparently.

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#40758: Oct 25th 2016 at 5:46:46 PM

" JNPR is "mytholofical figures who cross-dressed," considerably more narrow."

I dont remenber Achilles cross dressing

Also they are two themes binding JNRP: they make great things....and they die

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#40759: Oct 25th 2016 at 5:50:30 PM

[up]He cross-dressed as a prostitute to try and escape going to the Trojan War. The prostitute's name was (get this) Pyrrha.

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#40760: Oct 25th 2016 at 6:03:58 PM

[up]I've only seen it as a false lady-in-waiting or daughter to a king, and said position usually comes up by Odysseus presenting gifts to them and Achilles is outted because he's the only one of them looking at the weaponry.

edited 25th Oct '16 6:04:10 PM by VutherA

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#40761: Oct 26th 2016 at 2:57:10 PM

Yeah, Achilles' mother knew that he if was called to war against Troy, he would die. To prevent him from receiving that call, she took him to a island kingdom and made him a lady-in-waiting to the king, making the king promise he would treat his new 'maiden' as he would his own daughter.

There's some dispute as to what the name was. Issa is the name I've usually heard. Wikipedia says that stories have used one of three names - Pyrrha, Issa, Kerkysera.

According to the stories, he had a relationship with one of the maidens (the king's actual daughter) and got her pregnant. The son's name was Neoptolemos, but he was initially called Pyrrhos after his father's use of the name 'Pyrrha' while disguised as a woman.

Fun fact - the weapon that outted Achilles was a shield.

edited 26th Oct '16 3:07:00 PM by Wyldchyld

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#40762: Oct 26th 2016 at 9:41:06 PM

[up] The irony it burns...

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NinjaDragon Since: Nov, 2010
#40763: Oct 27th 2016 at 4:41:46 PM

I have a headcanon that Hazel is actually The Dragon.

I mean, while Watts was trying hard to look professional and Tyrian was trying hard to get taken to a mental institution, Hazel was just there, thinking. Saying only the necessary, and being professional.

And the whole "we have dealt with silver eyes before". I think he was the one who killed Summer.

Also he is being sent to whoknowshere while Tyrian and Watts are both going to Mistral, so he might be the last to go down.

This would make a perfect match for the Five Bad Band too:

Big Bad: Salem

The Dragon: Hazel

Evil Genius: Dr. Watts

The Brute: Tyrian

Dark Chick: Cinder

edited 27th Oct '16 4:42:20 PM by NinjaDragon

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#40764: Oct 27th 2016 at 4:51:44 PM

A reasonable assumption; a stoic villain rarely doesn't have that aspect of them be used to seem inhumanly intimidating.

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#40765: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:01:31 PM

Do you think he could kill other maidens like Ruby or Cinder?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40766: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:08:04 PM

I'm more interested in the empty seats and if that means they have other members on more pressing missions right now.

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#40767: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:09:08 PM

[up][up]Just straight up fair-fight? No, because we'd all complain maiden power seems rather overhyped then.

edited 27th Oct '16 5:09:18 PM by VutherA

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#40768: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:16:28 PM

[up]Full-maiden Cinder was on the ropes against Pyrrha, a huntress in training, a supremely talented one, but a trainee nonetheless.

If Cinder's any indication of Maiden powers, they're not all that powerful. Just beyond what's considered "normal" for Remnant.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40769: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:23:45 PM

[up]Where we watching the same fight? Pyrrha did well, but Cinder was in control for basically the entire time, and if not for Ruby, would have come out completely unscathed.

But I think the problem is that people expected the Maidens to basically be gods, when that was never really implied to begin with.

edited 27th Oct '16 5:25:29 PM by LSBK

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#40770: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:25:17 PM

I don't expect them to be walking gods myself, but I'm still sure Hazel killing Cinder without too much trouble without an additional explanation or reason to his success would look pretty "So why are they bothering with that again?"

I'm also not really sure if I'd describe Cinder as being "on the ropes" in their fight, I'd more just say it wasn't clearly one-sided in Cinder's favour. Cinder got a few surprises pulled on her but never failed to return to signature smugness.

edited 27th Oct '16 5:26:01 PM by VutherA

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40771: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:28:06 PM

It should also be noted that each one of them only has a fourth of the Wizard's original power. Added all together (which is likely Salem's ambition for Cinder) and it becomes much more troublesome, and it's already troublesome enough for most people.

edited 27th Oct '16 6:26:10 PM by LSBK

NinjaDragon Since: Nov, 2010
#40772: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:28:48 PM

I didn't see it as on the ropes, imo.

Whenever Pyrrha got closer to get the edge, Cinder just powered-up and crushed her

edited 27th Oct '16 5:29:33 PM by NinjaDragon

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#40773: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:30:58 PM

If it's anything like being The Avatar it's a double-edged sword, as Salem alluded to.

Do you think he could kill other maidens like Ruby

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VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#40774: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:47:03 PM

I just let em' have their assumptions Ruby's power's maiden-related or something. Lots of people are definitely expecting that'll get to her somehow, though it's hardly guaranteed.

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#40775: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:48:10 PM

So question. Is volume 4 episode 1 available to the public right now?

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