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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#39851: Oct 5th 2016 at 9:36:13 PM

Is it just me, or does the song Caffeine sound a lot like Kickstart My Heart by Motley Crue?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#39852: Oct 5th 2016 at 10:03:33 PM

Now that you mention it, yeah.

CFVY wasn't a deus ex machina because the finale failed to maintain the tension the previous episode set up.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#39853: Oct 5th 2016 at 10:09:38 PM

So if they hadn't shown up, would the tension have remained or what?

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#39854: Oct 5th 2016 at 11:04:32 PM

[up]not really considering there was also

  • a small army of robots, penny and Ironwood
  • Teachers
  • Ozpin
  • Emerald and Mercury
  • Team JNPR
  • Sun and Neptune

with or without them showing up also the breach was never a real threat. It was a plan that required perfect timing to be truly effective. It was forced to be done early leaving behind a chunk of their white fang allies. It seemed like the breach was probably meant to be used on tandem with another attack which would divide Vale's defenses.

edited 5th Oct '16 11:04:52 PM by Darthwyn

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drac0blade Since: Jan, 2015
#39855: Oct 5th 2016 at 11:18:55 PM

For me, the best part of Volume 2 wasn't any of the fight scenes — it was Oobleck asking BWY what their reasons for becoming huntresses are, not only because we got more insight into their characters, but the three end up questioning themselves as well in a fascinating conversation.

I'm including the conversation between Ruby and Oobleck in this as well — and not just because I really like Oobleck's reasons for being a huntsman. There's a lot to read into the fact that Oobleck didn't ask Ruby for her motivations.

For that matter, there's a lot that can be read into why Ruby didn't ask Oobleck why he was interrogating her teammates, even when he brought it up.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#39856: Oct 5th 2016 at 11:20:00 PM

For that matter, there's a lot that can be read into why Ruby didn't ask Oobleck why he was interrogating her teammates, even when he brought it up.

...go on?

That was one of those Volume 2-isms I figured would fade into Early-Installment Weirdness.

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drac0blade Since: Jan, 2015
#39857: Oct 5th 2016 at 11:29:35 PM

[up] Oobleck asks Ruby if she want to know why he's been talking to her teammates about their motivations, and Ruby says no, she has a question about his own motives. You can infer a few things from this, such as Ruby A) didn't care about why, and was more interested in him, or B) already understood why Oobleck was asking her teammates, and therefore didn't bother to ask.

I find it interesting to think about, at any rate.

edited 5th Oct '16 11:31:15 PM by drac0blade

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#39858: Oct 5th 2016 at 11:39:13 PM

I'm going with A. Maybe that's underselling Ruby's intuition, but that whole "simple soul" business the lady with the nice voice keeps singing about in the intro reinforces Ruby as The Pollyanna. She really doesn't see any problem with Oobleck interrogating her teammates and was purely interested in Oobleck himself.

If only every 15 year old was this sincere.

Alternatively, the idea that she already knew why he was interrogating them fuels my "Ruby is secretly the evil mastermind plotting the destruction of mankind" headcanon.

Either way that was a poignant scene.

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drac0blade Since: Jan, 2015
#39859: Oct 5th 2016 at 11:50:04 PM

[up] Agreed. That's why I like it so much.

Other scenes that stick out to me is the talk between Pyrrha and Jaune at the dance, where we get a clear look into Pyrrha's character, and why she's spending so much time with a guy who's supposedly out of her league. Heck, even the talk between Jaune and Neptune was pretty nice.

And of course there's Yang's talk with Blake, which was a goldmine for both Yang fans and Bumblebee fans.

edited 5th Oct '16 11:52:19 PM by drac0blade

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#39860: Oct 6th 2016 at 7:03:51 AM

so uh, this just in, but Blazblue Central Fiction has RWBY character palletes.

Es is Ruby, Yang is Bullet, and Weiss is Izayoi. Blake is unknown, but is being searched for.

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#39861: Oct 6th 2016 at 7:26:05 AM

Because there was this whole buildup to Team RWBY taking down all the Grimm and shit, and then...Deus Ex Coco.

<.< I liked Deus Ex Coco, m'self. It was neat to see what she could do. I also liked Velvet unveiling her Semblance in Volume 3's climax.

Team RWBY is neat but the show's more fun when it's not trying to be all about them. If I had to pick a thing to criticize Volume 2's finale for, it's the sidelining of Team JNPR for increased focus on the titular four. Monty's writing style was much more focused on cool characters doing cool shit than depth of characterization and personal journey, so the more cool characters he had on-hand to do cool shit at a given moment, the better it worked.

CFVY wasn't a deus ex machina because the finale failed to maintain the tension the previous episode set up.

Basically this, exactly. As often tends to be the case in Grimm fights, this wasn't really a suspenseful battle. It was an opportunity for various characters to do cool things and show off the awesome fighting moves Monty animated for them, and it ended in Coco getting to join the party and strut her moveset for the first time as well.

Even Jaune was having no trouble managing the horde. He gets to take down an Ursa all by himself and Pyrrha even takes a time-out from the battle to admire the accomplishment.

edited 6th Oct '16 7:27:13 AM by TobiasDrake

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#39862: Oct 6th 2016 at 8:13:48 AM

OK, yeah, calling Coco a deus ex machina was incorrect.

Doesn't change the fact that the end of RWBY Vol. 2 sucked.

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#39864: Oct 6th 2016 at 8:21:25 AM

[up]Neither do I. I actually find it a bit surprising that's it's apparently so widespread. Then again, before coming here, the series was put on a pretty high pedestal from what I've seen.

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#39865: Oct 6th 2016 at 8:22:37 AM

I was underwhelmed by it. The issue with the Grimm isn't that they aren't threatening. It's that they aren't characters. There's a limit to how impactful they can be as foes because they're basically a faceless army of doom.

They're Mooks. Sometimes they're Elite Mooks, but end of the day, they're still Mooks. Their entire purpose is to be cool-looking temporary receptacles for stabby implements. They exist to facilitate the awesome fight scenes Monty liked his characters to engage in, with no greater depth or purpose beyond that.

As such, there's not a lot of drama that can really be wringed out of fighting a bunch of mindless Grimm. It's the equivalent of ending a Star Wars movie on Luke, Han, and Leia v. a bunch of Stormtroopers. Darth Vader never appears, just them fighting Stormies until the Stormies are dead.

Blake, Sun, and Penny v. Roman in Volume 1 and Pyrrha v. Cinder in Volume 3 had something that Everyone v. A Bunch of Grimm lacked: a villain. Someone with personality and goals and identity, someone we could actually root against. Someone who existed for reasons beyond being a neat-looking foe to get killed awesomely.

edited 6th Oct '16 8:24:40 AM by TobiasDrake

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#39866: Oct 6th 2016 at 8:25:19 AM

From my understanding, before Vol. 3, RWBY was a mix of either love or hate. There were criticisms of it being cliche'd and poorly animated, with horrible voice acting (the latter two have improved, but I've no idea if the former is still an opinion people have), and I know that a lot of the fanbase even criticized some of the faults (hell, we're still criticizing the lack of on screen Faunus discrimination). I remember that TGWTG reviewer Jesu Otaku loathed RWBY when it came out and ranted about it on his Twitter.

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#39867: Oct 6th 2016 at 8:44:08 AM

Screenshots get!

Ruby Weiss Blake Yang

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#39868: Oct 6th 2016 at 8:44:23 AM

[up][up]And people care what JesuOtaku thinks? There's a reason why most people forget he was a member of the TGWTG crew.

[up]I'd say slowpoke meme, but those ones are actually decently-sized images [lol]

edited 6th Oct '16 8:45:42 AM by BlackSunNocturne

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#39869: Oct 6th 2016 at 8:48:50 AM

I liked Jesu Otaku in To Boldly Flee, but I haven't seen much of his reviews. Is there a reason not to like him?

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#39870: Oct 6th 2016 at 8:56:31 AM

[up]Well.... Here's the summation on why so many people hate him from the YMMV page:

  • Base Breaker: During his time on TGWTG, he fast became one of these due to a mix of an antagonistic attitude on Twitter (Especially against cult shows like Young Justice, RWBY and Korra, to the point that for the latter two he admitted to only watching them just to mock them after). It got so bad, that several fan communities (TGWTG Secrets and the Secret Treehouse) put him on a blacklist where he wouldn't be talked about.
  • Broken Base: As mentioned on To Boldly Flee's YMMV page, Hope's portrayal of Edward from Cowboy Bebop has earned mixed reviews. Shortly after the episode where he became Edward, Hope Tweeted that the ratio was around 70% in favor of it, with 30% disliking it. Funnily enough, this was long after he himself had noted in his review of Bebop that the character is extremely tricky to play without veering into being annoying.
  • Critical Research Failure:
    • The Witchblade review. When listing off differences between the anime and comics (in voiceover form with Nash, a casual fan of the comics, slowly becoming more distressed as they go on), the majority of the listed differences are not supported by the facts of the show. To be fair, however, none of his errors are things that are blatantly inaccurate, and one of them is supported by what's shown and said in the series until you consider that Masane is a temporary bearer, not the intended recipient of the Witchblade.
    • His retrospectives on Digimon Adventure mentions that the series was meant to be only thirteen episodes, which has been long debunked in the Digimon fandom.
  • Creator's Pet: He is a mixed example (as he's regarded as being a good critic on his own), but this comes across primarily in his crossovers with other critics, especially in his review of Sucker Punch with Film Brain and Revolutionary Girl Utena with Kyle. Jesu throughout the Sucker Punch review physically abuses Film Brain (a rare case of Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male for TGWTG, as he was presenting as a woman at the time), and his crossover with Kyle drives him insane (and is brought up multiple times afterwords). Also, while most crossovers have one person suffering for something (The Nostalgia Critic frequently being bullied, Todd chasing after Lupa until To Boldly Flee, etc), this never happens to JO, which is highly glaring.
  • He Panned It Now He Sucks: Like any internet critic, he's had his share of this.

TL;DR: It's because he's a downright asshole. Not a Caustic Critic, an asshole.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#39871: Oct 6th 2016 at 8:57:12 AM

Before Vol. 3? Vol. 3 has been a basebreaker ever since it aired after it became clear it was taking the show out of its prologue and into the darker side of the story.

I happen to like it, while I'm indifferent to the endings of Vol.2 and 3, but we've watched people argue over Cinder's Mary Sue-ness and Ruby's Dues ex Machina Eyes to know the Love or Hate didn't end when Volume 3 began.

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#39872: Oct 6th 2016 at 9:03:42 AM

why dont we all just agree that RWBY sucks

that way whenever someone is like "wow i didnt like that"

we can just be like "well RWBY sucks anyway so it doesn't matter" and we dont have to spend 20 pages arguing over something completely arbitrary

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#39874: Oct 6th 2016 at 9:06:45 AM

RWBY doesn't suck...

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#39875: Oct 6th 2016 at 9:07:14 AM

zwei is the only exception

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