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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#39826: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:52:30 PM

Because there was this whole buildup to Team RWBY taking down all the Grimm and shit, and then...Deus Ex Coco.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#39827: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:53:22 PM

There was a swarm of Grimm creatures...that wasn't a threat, that seems like a problem.

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#39828: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:53:46 PM

V2 finale sucked.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#39829: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:54:08 PM

Yeah, Coco killed a Death Stalker and several Nevermore with her Gatling Gun.

Saying the Grimm are never going to be a threat isn't going to be a good excuse when the show focuses on them so much, and clearly wants the audience to think they're a threat so that it looks cool when the heroes beat them. But they put all their effort into the cool and none into making the Grimm a threat, so the cool moments just fall flat.

@LSBK It's different because she effortlessly killed multiple Grimm that the rest of the cast weren't mowing down previously. The Nevermore and Deathstalker were a big deal in Volume 1, and no surprise that their battles ended up being the best part of volume 1. Because it's more entertaining to watch the heroes accomplish something actually impressive.

Volume 4 at least introduced Harambe, who is able to make Ruby put some damn effort in to win. It'd be nice to see more Grimm like that because mowing down mooks is a complete waste of time.

edited 5th Oct '16 7:59:21 PM by Saiga

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#39830: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:54:57 PM

How about we just all agree that everything in RWBY is horribad forever.

All of it.

There's not a single good thing about RWBY.

Yes, not even that. Especially that.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#39831: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:55:32 PM

Replace RWBY with Blake and you got yourself a deal.

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#39832: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:57:55 PM

Replace RWBY, with Roman, and you've got a bigger deal.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#39833: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:58:46 PM

Calling Coco a Dues ex Machina makes no sense. Help had been pouring in every three minutes from various friends and allies, it's not like she single handedly took out all the Grimm on her own.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#39834: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:58:55 PM

It's enjoyable bad, not terri-bad.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#39835: Oct 5th 2016 at 8:00:19 PM

[up][up] her team had no plot relevance, were already out on a mission, and were definitely the largest contributor to killing the tension.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#39836: Oct 5th 2016 at 8:00:23 PM

Watching the scene right now, in fact. Yep, she shows up at the tail end of the battle, mops up some the remaining Grimm, and the teachers take care of the rest.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#39837: Oct 5th 2016 at 8:03:13 PM

Coco is a deus ex machina in that she shows up to save the entire day with barely any buildup. Team RWBY should've beaten the Grimm without her. Yeah, they got help, but that didn't mean Coco had to fuckin' blow the shit out of the Grimm and make everything Team RWBY did pointless.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39838: Oct 5th 2016 at 8:06:05 PM

Unless Coco literally did everything by herself, she's not a deus ex machina. You can dislike her showing up without misusing a term.

edited 5th Oct '16 8:06:51 PM by LSBK

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#39839: Oct 5th 2016 at 8:06:44 PM

OK, fair enough.

Doesn't mean her showing up didn't ruin the tension and screw up the finale.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#39840: Oct 5th 2016 at 8:09:35 PM

Replace RWBY, with Roman, and you've got a bigger deal.

Now that's just hurtful.

Roman Torchwick is a smooth criminal.

edited 5th Oct '16 8:14:11 PM by Soble

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#39841: Oct 5th 2016 at 8:12:10 PM

Then you might as well blame M&M and the teachers for showing up after the tension had passed as well.

Atlas showing up was when the tide turned decisively in the good guys' favor. By then JNPR had already rescued RWBY and Jaune had proven himself able to fight on his own. Everything after that was just characters doing their things. Tension was gone long before Coco showed up.

edited 5th Oct '16 8:13:05 PM by Parable

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#39842: Oct 5th 2016 at 8:12:15 PM

Coco is not a deus ex machina, but it pretty much kill any feeling the grim are threatng in any way,shape of form, she mas more a moment killer

The big problem with V2 ending is that first, it feel easier than V1 fight with nevermore and death stalker is step behind if you want to rise the stake, it also have problem of hurting the tone of the series, as finale should act like a bridge between happy V1 final, with the very dark V3 one, instead of just feel like another "time to kick butt!" which make cerberus syndrome come as out of nowhere or being force as hell.

And about Monty...yeah, at times the story feel disjointed because what Monty wants to what the story should have, a good example is the train fights which is borderline video game logic "they are three chararter and three oponent, so let have each 1vs1 fights" hell Monty said that was is reasoning behind it and it show at times

BUT on the other hand this trailer dosent really look good for Ruby compare wth Red trailer, in Red trailer she move, used her power creatly and dominate the entire thing, in this she just move around cresent rose like she was link or something

So far with Monty gone they have to make work the chararter fighting styles, Weiss should be fine she still fight like always, Yang have to work around that but that is more a plot point, Blake and Ruby...yeah they have a lot of work to do

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#39843: Oct 5th 2016 at 8:14:04 PM

Now that's just hurtful.

I wonder if anyone would remove Neo.

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#39844: Oct 5th 2016 at 8:15:39 PM

The main issue of the Volume 2 Finale was that it dropped off hard from the previous episode, which had actual tension, and it was built up as a big deal. The Grimm barley do damage before being contained extremely quickly because 3 separate Cavarlies showed up.

edited 5th Oct '16 8:17:27 PM by Karxrida

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#39845: Oct 5th 2016 at 8:16:12 PM

[up][2) They would die trying. The ice cream truck is here to stay.

edited 5th Oct '16 8:17:13 PM by Soble

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#39846: Oct 5th 2016 at 8:16:13 PM

[up][up]Now that, I agree with.

[up]Last I checked the ice cream truck got blown away!

edited 5th Oct '16 8:21:42 PM by Parable

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#39847: Oct 5th 2016 at 8:27:27 PM

On the V2 ending.I think it was the victim of animation not matching up with with the story was trying to show.

I think you were suppose to get the feeling of Team RWBY being overwhelmed.Thus showing that Team RWBY,however gifted they are,are still just one team of first year students.Team CFVY showing that there are much more experience teams Beacon has to offer.

Problem is the animation didn't sell that.So JNPR's rescue didn't feel like a rescue and CFVY's arrival felt like overkill.

edited 5th Oct '16 8:39:32 PM by DeanCole

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#39848: Oct 5th 2016 at 8:34:56 PM

[up]Pretty much, it also the issue that the threat dosent match up the hability show which it hurt consider V2 should be between V1 that is happy and V3 that have more darker tone

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Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#39849: Oct 5th 2016 at 9:18:25 PM

I always considered the ending of volume 2 what happens when humanity knows what is doing and handles a situation before it goes out of control. The real hero of the moment was Glynda Goodwitch who essentially plugged up the hole making the difference between a long battle and what potentially becomes an endless horde. The failure of the breach was inevitable because the time table was forced, but managed to cause enough damage to where Ozpin was made to look bad.

Coco and her team getting involved more just gives an idea of what more experienced students are capable of in comparison to first years. Which in turn makes emerald and mercury more of a threat when they show how the difference between experienced students and trained killers.

Considering before Pv P penny's best display of power comes from the volume one finale it does at least for me create real stakes when cinder had discovered the blueprints for penny. Robot with aura with devistating power set louse on the audience would have caused a mass panic. It did not go that bad, but it very well could have if cinder had decided to try and hack penny and potentially the shielding that protected the audience.

edited 5th Oct '16 9:19:33 PM by Darthwyn

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#39850: Oct 5th 2016 at 9:34:08 PM

I mean, CFVY weren't even on a mission though; they had just come back from one before Team RWBY left for Mountain Glenn.

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