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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#39801: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:28:06 PM

The Team JNPR dance is one of the best things in Volume 2 and anyone who says otherwise is just wrong.

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#39802: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:29:00 PM

Sooo.... They were at a dance. An arc had just concluded with Jaune asking Pyrrha to dance. They danced.

Oh, the humanity.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#39803: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:31:01 PM

Good, good. Your inability to read posts grows stronger

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#39804: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:32:25 PM

And your ability to use sarcasm well is going down as well.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#39805: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:33:08 PM

Guys, chill. It's just one dumb dance, no need to get heated over it.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#39806: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:34:30 PM

[up][up] pot/kettle given the sarcasm used in those strawmans to begin with

[up] i dont know if anyone is getting heated

edited 5th Oct '16 7:34:55 PM by Saiga

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#39807: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:34:35 PM

Here's the thing though. The whole Dance arc was because of that number. That wasn't in the original season 2 plans. They were going to spend the middle of the season on something else.

Then Monty said "I want to have JNPR do a dance number" and they had to rework it.

Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#39808: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:35:03 PM

I love how what I said about the dance just being one of the many symptoms of Monty's Rule of Cool mindset has been ignored to discuss the subjectivity of it. -.- At any rate, even if you have no problem with that scene, it's one of the many examples of Monty preferring to just do what he finds fun without much thought or care about the cohesion of anything else. Which is why I don't trust him as a plotter to say that he wouldn't keep doing it with all the proceeding volumes.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#39809: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:35:24 PM

EDIT: Holy crap where am I? I was responding to a post on the last page -_-

I really loved Monty's fight scenes, and I honestly don't feel that V3's are noticeably worse. The choreography is excellent, blur is well-used to make them feel even more fluid, they're creative as hell. I usually tend up replaying them a couple of times just to enjoy every little detail.

Some of those fights were allegedly already partially worked on by Monty, and at least a few of them by Shane though, so I guess I'll see how they look in Volume 4.

Monty's stuff was more stylish. There's a lot of little moments you could pick out of his fight scenes:

Ruby's cocky expression when she caught the Beowulf in the Red Trailer, and the slow turn of the camera when she cut in half. The way the rose petals exploded off her every shot when she fired Crescent Rose. That part was two minutes in when she spins and lays down on Crescent Rose, fires the gun with her feet, backflips into another Beowulf, and then does this sort of "marching band twirl" where she pulls her knee up and starts spinning Crescent Rose around.

White trailer was kind of meh on the action, and Weiss still basically fights like that on the show, but with less stamina apparently. Her fighting style is always elegant and neat, so you'd really have to screw up to make it look boring.

Adam's quick sword slice in the Black Trailer slice when they broke into the train car; launching his sword from its sheath to hit one of the androids. These moves looked like they'd come right out of a video game - matter of fact IIRC Adam and Weiss borrow some moves from Devil May Cry. Look at the way the camera spins around them while they fight. The camerawork's so masterful you almost don't notice how much of an abusive prick Adam is.

And then the Yellow trailer The way the disco floor rolled out like a wave when Yang punched it. Yang's Shoryuken on the first guy she knocked out.And this was probably the most beautifully done fight sequence in RWBY before Neo showed up. Yang and Miltia's [awesome] footwork always made me stop and rewind.

I haven't really picked out as many little moments like that in Volume 3. With the exception of Mercury breakdancing, landing on Coco's back, and Penny, doing her pop and lock dance while controlling her swords.

— —

All of that to say Monty's fight scenes were different but I don't think Volume 3 was a disservice to it. I do miss it, but Monty's absence is more noticeable on Red vs Blue where the fights went from being crazy Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon spectacles to the kind of fights you saw in Captain America The Winter Soldier.

With stuff like Ruby splitting into three and making use of her Semblance now things should be interesting. I wonder who the lead animator is now.

edited 5th Oct '16 7:47:57 PM by Soble

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#39810: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:36:03 PM

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Well you and Goji are throwing sarcastic jabs at each other, so it feels like it's kinda getting tense.

edited 5th Oct '16 7:36:11 PM by AdricDePsycho

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#39811: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:36:23 PM

[up]x4 Then they should have either came up with a scene that would have logically lead to that kind of dance number, or told Monty to shut the fuck up.

But for an entire arc to be created to show off a dance just shows how Monty prioritized things.

edited 5th Oct '16 7:37:30 PM by Saiga

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#39812: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:37:20 PM

I mean, the arc also had Cinder plant the virus that would be part of her grand plan come Volume 3.

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#39813: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:39:13 PM

I've already talked in here before about how Monty was an amazing animator but a shit writer. Way too often he would do something "cool" that came at the expense of the plot. I think I've ranted enough in the past on how the end of Volume 1, where Penny went friggin' OP on everyone, was the epitome of Monty's poor writing skills.

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Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#39814: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:42:50 PM

That Penny example bothers me on so many levels, especially since I feel the wiser move would have been to have Weiss show up as a Big Damn Hero and dramatize her putting Blake first as a friend as opposed to just having them meet up as an afterthought to the event itself. It would interweave the climatic external actions with the internal character arc.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#39815: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:43:20 PM

I disgree.

I think the volume two finale was the epitome of his poor writing skills.

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#39816: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:45:24 PM

Oh yeah, Volume 2's ending sucked the big one.

I guess I'm just more pissed with Volume 1's ending because almost all of that entire volume fucking sucked.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39817: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:46:42 PM

What was wrong with Volume 2's finale?

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#39818: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:48:05 PM

Coco overpowering all the Grimm, Sun and Neptune showing up and not doing a fucking thing, Zwei somehow being powerful enough to headbutt a damn Grimm...

Basically making the Grimm become so fucking weak that a damn dog could beat them.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#39819: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:48:26 PM

I can agree that Volume 2's finale was horribad. Made me swear off the show for the longest time.

[up] Not to mention the fact that it never felt like there was that much of a threat to begin with. Team CFVY showing up felt like pure overkill.

edited 5th Oct '16 7:49:19 PM by Zelenal

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#39820: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:49:18 PM

I mean, Zwei also managed to take down a Paladin with help didn't he?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39821: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:49:44 PM

Most Grimm were ultimately going to be fodder anyway. The Coco scene felt a little weird but I don't remember her "soloing all the Grimm", but it's been awhile since I've watched it. I don't really care about Sun and Neptune. I don't really care about cute animal sidekicks.

edited 5th Oct '16 7:50:53 PM by LSBK

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#39822: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:50:27 PM

She friggin' blew them all up with her handbag gun thing.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#39823: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:51:15 PM

When is your run-off-the-mill Grimm not going down like a punk?

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#39824: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:51:17 PM

Regarding the dance number

...eh. I liked it.

...what? I can't have long-written essays on why everything sucks.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39825: Oct 5th 2016 at 7:51:45 PM

[up][up][up]How is that different from anyone else mowing them down?

As for Volume 1 finale...I get it. I didn't think it was bad, but thinking about how things have turned out with Penny, maybe something else was in order.

edited 5th Oct '16 7:52:58 PM by LSBK


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