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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#39526: Sep 29th 2016 at 1:48:52 PM

[up][up]We already did.[nja]

Now... Ass Window is inaccurate. No, not inaccurate, technically accurate. A clear, unimpeded view of her ass without any coat-tails is an ass window.

It's an Ass Frame. It wraps around the ass and says, "Lookit this ass."

TBF, this seems in-character for Yang.

TBH, not so in-character for a traumatized Yang, at least I imagine.

edited 29th Sep '16 1:49:13 PM by God_of_Awesome

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#39527: Sep 29th 2016 at 2:02:55 PM

I kept thinking that to parallel Cinderella story, she was trying to be a hunter like Ruby, them she saw SOMETHING that made stray of that path, in this case Ozpin will be the "Prince" and Salem the fairy godmother

There are fairytales where Cinderella (or the Cinderella equivalent) is evil. What happens is that she starts off as normal - the innocent girl being downtrodden by her wicked stepmother and step-sisters who ends up marrying the prince. In most versions, the wicked relatives get the grisly death, often the fate chosen by Cinderella, cue happy ever after.

However, in or two versions, the act of vengeance - and the power she now wields as a princess - leaves a nice taste in Cinderella's mouth, along . Her vengeance is vicious, even for the crimes perpetrated against her, and she then goes down a very bad path until the prince is eventually forced to kill her for having become worse than her wicked relatives ever were.

It's not so much Well-Intentioned Extremist as He Who Fights Monsters. Either way, the message is that she starts off innocent, shit happens, she gets power and the ability to extract vengeance/punishment, it goes to her head, even worse shit happens, prince kills her.

This is the Cinderella I think Cinder is. Originally innocent, bad stuff happens to her, so she decided to out-monster the monsters. I think the 'I want to be strong, I want to be powerful, I want to be feared' line was said to Salem, to explain why she wants to be 'chosen'. Salem, after all, is basically going to be playing the role of Cinderella's fairy godmother. An evil one, which means that if the fairy godmother had Cinderella's best interests at heart, then the evil fairy godmother will not. She'll be appearing to make Cinderella's wishes come true to draw her in and manipulate her.

This is why I don't trust Cinder's knowledge of Ozpin. I believe Salem has told Cinder just enough to really anger Cinder - and it'll be true enough. But it won't be the whole truth, it certainly won't be the full truth of Salem. What it will be, is just enough to bait Cinder into becoming the perfect stoodge. Cinder is being given an illusion of power while having any semblance of real power removed from her - she'll be a greater slave (pawn) than she has any idea about - because Salem has her so focussed on Ozpin's wrongs that Cinder won't comprehend the truth about Salem.

That's one reason why I never believed Cinder was the Queen. Cinder's a pawn. I don't know what Cinder thinks she's been upgraded to, but I guarantee it won't be what Cinder thinks - and it'll never be a queen.

Second, why is it Winter who has to tell him? As Qrow points out, why does she even know anything at all? Who "invited" Winter to be part of the inner circle? Evidently no one, given that Ironwood dismisses her immediately after this, implying she's not supposed to be part of it at all. As 1) someone who knows why they don't trust Qrow, 2) the person who reveals the information to Qrow instead of a member of the inner circle, and 3) someone who evidently isn't supposed to be part of this conversation at all, it seems she invited herself.

Ironwood instructed Winter to follow him, and they went to Ozpin's office. Ozpin then instructed Qrow to follow him and went to his office, where Ironwood and Winter were waiting. Qrow didn't question what Winter knew in terms of everyone having thought he'd been compromised, but he did get her kicked out just before he spoke specifically about Amber.

Indeed, look at what happened - Qrow picked a verbal fight with Winter about Ironwood's behaviour. He seemed to expect Winter to know what he was talking about. The question is, why would Qrow pick a public fight about something he, just a short while later, insisted to Ironwood was a subject that was supposed to be kept secret and discrete.

However, when Ironwood told Winter to leave, he said they'd talk later on his ship. My big question has always been, does that Ironwood intended to tell Winter all about what she missed, or was it just about the fight? We don't actually know, but it is clear that Winter is in the loop to at least some degree.

I absolutely do expect Qrow to be up to something Ironwood doesn't know anything about. One question we haven't had answered is why was there such a big objection to Ironwood being brought on board. Qrow implied that no-one in the Brotherhood wanted Ironwood to be in the loop, and that it only happened because Ozpin overruled everyone to bring him on board regardless of sentiment.

This could be because of the way Atlas functions. With Ironwood, you aren't simply dealing with a huntsman, you're dealing with a government representative at the same time. The WoR segments have indicated there's unease about the way Atlas has integrated government control into everything and how the huntsman academy is being militarised. That would put Ironwood in a difficult position because he has too many hats and therefore too many masters. Certainly, I get the impression that Qrow's problem is more with how Atlas does things. His personal beef with Ironwood is Ironwood's gung-ho approach to everything (Glynda has the same problem with Ironwood) and his personal beef with Winter comes across as a boy pulling the pigtails of the girl he likes.

The season up to this point has tried to raise questions about Ironwood's loyalties as a deflecting Red Herring before revealing The Untwist that Ironwood is completely innocent.

Not quite my impression. The creators have said, from the first episode Ironwood appeared in, that he has a good heart, and anyone who knows the Wizard of Oz stories knows that the Tin Man was a good person with a good heart - flawed, yes, but good and compassionate.

I get the impression that the creators never wanted people to wonder if Ironwood is a good person with good intentions. The way they introduced him is that he's got a good heart, but he wants to do things in a very different way to Ozpin. It's not a question of his loyalty. It's a question of two good people who have very different ideas about what the right thing is and how to do it.

At the moment, Glynda trusts Ozpin and dislikes Ironwood's approach, Qrow is basically Ozpin's protege and clearly seems to feel as though he has to defend Ozpin because he knows Ozpin won't defend himself. The question is why, something Ironwood has indeed asked - Glynda doesn't know the answer, she simply chooses to trust Ozpin; however, it's definitely a big question as to what Qrow knows. I'm sure Ironwood is going to be proven right about Ozpin hiding information from them, but the question is whether that information has been hidden from Qrow who, I suspect, knows a lot more than either Ironwood or Glynda knows.

Didn't RT say that Monty Oum left notes and outlines for eight seasons? Something like "Qrow is a secret traitor" would be a pretty big f*cking deal and would probably be included in the notes if, say, he's supposed to be the villain of Season 6 or somesuch.

The creators said they've got enough material for twenty volumes, but the number of volumes we'll actually end up with will depend on how Miles and Kerry structure each volume as they write it. Monty had planned for stories that could continue into the kids' adulthood if there was enough interest in the show to keep it going that long.

The creators also stated that they have the entire basic plot - the beginning to end of the story, including the extensions into adulthood. There is no problem there. What they've lost is the creativity in fight animation sequences and some of the future weapon designs (note: that doesn't mean they don't know what the weapons are supposed to be, it's just that creativity in bringing the concept to life that they were worried about).

edited 29th Sep '16 2:08:08 PM by Wyldchyld

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drac0blade Since: Jan, 2015
#39528: Sep 29th 2016 at 4:51:46 PM

Speculation: Yang doesn't have a robot arm because she has learned to concentrate her aura to make a new arm that's made of fire.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#39529: Sep 29th 2016 at 4:57:11 PM

Made out of her hair, those Golden locks could be the best faux arm to hit fiction...

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#39530: Sep 29th 2016 at 5:37:48 PM

[up][up][up]Yeah, I still mantain Cinder wanted to be Huntsman and the "Prince" would be Ozpin, until Salem show...something, what it would be is hard to said.

And with Qrow and Winter, yeah, Ironwood did in fact, hide something: Penny being a robot, so far is big question to be answer:

WHY ATLAS NEED A HUMAN LOOKING ROBOT?

I mean in this case Cinder made a good point: Grimm dosent give a shit about if you are a robot or not so making look like a little girl is...weird, even more given emotions and in short, make her look like little girl in everyway, if that is not against Grimm....why?

I dont think Ironwood know much about that, he is a general so follow order but he did have that smuggle into the tournament which cast him in pretty damn situation.

that is why I dont think Penny will come back, or a least not as easy people make it to be.

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#39531: Sep 29th 2016 at 5:45:31 PM

From last page: I don't think I want to know what this "ahegao" thing is.

Also, man it's a shame that she decides to just fight with one arm. I was expecting her to get a transplant arm...that is actually a sentient Grimm. evil grin

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#39532: Sep 29th 2016 at 5:59:32 PM

[up]It's the term for a person's (usually a woman) extreme expression of bliss during of orgasm

[up][up]Well, if Penny's Pinocchio basing (her last name is Gepetto's) is an indication, it may not be Atlas wanted a Ridiculously Human Robot, but her father did, and needed help, so he went to the government for funds, possibly as either a Replacement Goldfish, or an actual "child".

also, I still to this day think that Penny's theme should be The Mechanical Girl by Voltaire.

[down]Better you learn it here, than look it up and end up needing some Brain Bleach.

edited 29th Sep '16 6:05:26 PM by BlackSunNocturne

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#39533: Sep 29th 2016 at 6:01:01 PM

I didn't need to know that.

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WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#39534: Sep 29th 2016 at 6:11:42 PM

[up][up]If Penny comes back, she should be armed with rocket launchers and flamethrowers, as a Shout-Out.

edited 29th Sep '16 6:20:20 PM by WillDeRegio

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#39535: Sep 29th 2016 at 6:16:02 PM

I feel like there's an actual explaination for Penny's form. Something like she had to think like a human for her aura to stick (Like in Persona 3, when they ask why Aigis looks like a girl instead of a war bot they said she needed to identify as human to use a Persona, although they could have made her male if they so choose).

Granted they could have made her an obvious warrior instead of a cute girl, but I think the human thing was for a reason.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39536: Sep 29th 2016 at 6:18:22 PM

The guy who made her probably wanted a daughter or something. I doubt there's any deeper reason.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#39537: Sep 29th 2016 at 6:27:46 PM

Over Protective father...Precious Special Child...

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#39538: Sep 29th 2016 at 6:29:15 PM

Maybe Penny's aura was actually from some girl who died and they built a body looking like hers so the aura would stick or something.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#39539: Sep 29th 2016 at 6:37:27 PM

Not "some girl"...the original daughter, because they're more important.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#39540: Sep 29th 2016 at 6:38:16 PM

Wasn't this how Mewtwo Strikes Back started?

Is Cinder Mewtwo!?

drac0blade Since: Jan, 2015
#39541: Sep 29th 2016 at 6:40:03 PM

I think Penny's human form and emotions were deliberate too.

It's been stated many times that all living things except Grim have aura, and that's because they have souls. Ironwood and whoever else was behind the project soon realized if they wanted to make a weapon that could produce aura, it would have to be a person as well — something that's actually alive.

And I'd like Penny back for the simple reason that nothing was really done with her. She was introduced, appeared a few times afterward, and died. We got a whole arc with Phyrra, and we still don't even know what Penny was built for.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39542: Sep 29th 2016 at 6:50:01 PM

I didn't realize Penny coming back was actually in question. Like, you're the first person I've seen to talk about it as if it's a thing that might not happen.

drac0blade Since: Jan, 2015
#39543: Sep 29th 2016 at 6:56:24 PM

[up] ...I am? Why? Several posts before me were saying "if she comes back," or "I'd rather she didn't come back," or something to that nature.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39544: Sep 29th 2016 at 7:05:18 PM

[up]It wasn't several, just one. Which is still a thing. But I've still never seen her actually being gone forever treated as a serious thing, mostly because of the stuff you said seems to go without saying.

The comparison to Pyrrha doesn't really work though, their situations are entirely different.

edited 29th Sep '16 7:07:26 PM by LSBK

drac0blade Since: Jan, 2015
#39545: Sep 29th 2016 at 7:27:32 PM

Keep in mind, I don't really think Penny won't come back - the discussion is more if she should come back. And I say yes, because it would be a waste of a good character otherwise.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#39546: Sep 29th 2016 at 7:32:53 PM

Plus, of all the people who were killed, Penny is the only one who can justifiably come Back from the Dead because of how she "died".

Being bisected is also rarely an issue for cybernetic organisms. Plus: The way she "shut down" looked like she was going into a power save mode.

edited 29th Sep '16 7:33:01 PM by BlackSunNocturne

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#39547: Sep 29th 2016 at 8:02:21 PM

And I still think the way Pyrrha disintegrated looked like what Cinder did to that arrow.

On a practical note, you don't build a killer robot with a human mind and put it inside of a tanks.

That's asking for problems.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#39548: Sep 29th 2016 at 8:26:09 PM

You put the human mind inside of the tank itself...

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drac0blade Since: Jan, 2015
#39549: Sep 29th 2016 at 8:40:45 PM

[up] That might lead to psychological problems, though.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#39550: Sep 29th 2016 at 8:49:21 PM

Lose a bit of dat humanity for da sake of SCIENCE!!

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