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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39326: Sep 22nd 2016 at 8:06:12 PM

The worst part is that the other team just stood there while they bickered, and even reminded them of the situation, instead of just attacking.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#39327: Sep 22nd 2016 at 8:17:25 PM

That is a lot to respond to. I stopped around Tobias's second post. People always say this thread moves fast but I never really believed them. O.O

And while I want to respond to all of that and respect all of your arguments, I really want to talk about Chibi Episode 19. So I will bookmark this conversation and review it at a later date. No hard feelings, only gelatinous, cushy ones.

  • Zwei... Zwei just took out Mercury. Also Emerald and Cinder, but also Mercury, god of capoeria. I think Badass Mountain has just named its new king.
  • That pillow fight. [lol]
  • Okay Serious Mode now. The pillow fight. Really? This is where Chibi Vale's taxes are going? FFS Ozpin.
    • Taxes must be crazy high on Remnant. I mean the government can pretty much say, "Give us money or animal demons will break through our walls and kill you," and they wouldn't be lying. Maybe that's why people take their chances outside the walls. :p
  • They really need to stop with the winking. It's making me uncomfortable. I mean Yang did it before killing a guy. Neo did it before trying to kill Yang. Skatechick from Volume 3 did it before trying to beat on Blake. And now Blake's doing it after dodging one of Yang's attacks. What does this mean!?!?!? Is it a flirty wink, it is a mocking wink? Who winks in these situations? Next time I get into a bareknuckle brawl with somebody I'm going to wink at them just to gauge their reaction.
  • Neptune, what were you expecting from a pillow fight?
    • To be fair we saw someone get launched into orbit during that food fight, so the standards for pillow fights in Vale are probably pretty high.

edited 22nd Sep '16 8:25:13 PM by Soble

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#39328: Sep 22nd 2016 at 8:17:48 PM

Meh. Can't bring myself to be bothered, it was just a light scene.

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WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#39329: Sep 22nd 2016 at 8:32:31 PM

The subtitles seem to be a little lackluster...

Also, TumbleZwei returns. Which went unnoticed by the subtitler.

edited 22nd Sep '16 8:33:34 PM by WillDeRegio

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#39330: Sep 22nd 2016 at 9:22:28 PM

Issues though:

Those aren't issues. They're the point. That Jaune didn't know Nora's semblance and doesn't work with his team are huge black marks on his ability to lead, which is something that needs to not have black marks since it's the only thing of value he contributes.

Also: Jaune's been shown that he can fight. In the Volume 2 finale he 1v1'd the giant-ass Ursa Major by himself (his form was whacked out, but still).

Which was just a repeat of the same feat way back in mid-season 1, where his success was swiftly defanged by finding out Pyrrha cheated the victory for him. Season two's big Jaune moment was that it only took him a season and a half to accomplish something we'd already seen him do, but on his own this time.

You'll excuse me if I'm not impressed.

The team they opposed certainly learned it at that moment, but there's nothing to say Jaune only learned about it when the commentators mentioned it. He may or may not have known.

Watch the way Jaune acts when they're announced. He listens to the explanation, then suddenly gets idea face and tells Nora to go for the mountain. He clearly had no idea this was a thing until just this moment.

It'd be on both the leader and the lackeys for a mistake like that...

A good leader makes sure his lackeys actually know their shit before relying on it in combat. This moment directly contrasts Jaune against Ruby who, in season two, led her team to victory over Torchwick's mech the exact same way: calling out team attacks which her team flawlessly executed, demonstrating that they've been training to become a well-oiled machine.

Jaune's team is not a well-oiled machine and has absolutely no idea what he's talking about when he tries to do the same. Where Ruby's scene demonstrated her talent as a leader, Jaune's demonstrates nothing but incompetence. And like I said, that's a problem because leadership is the only thing he has.

But yeah. Jaune not knowing Nora's semblance is on the writers doing it for suspense, not really on him.

That's pretty much the problem. Jaune was introduced as the hapless Muggle with no idea what he's doing and nothing but his wits and intelligence to guide him. Which was fine in the beginning, but the writers have fallen so in love with using him as a Chew Toy that they're depriving him of any actual Character Development and, if anything, his skills have actually gotten worse since his premiere.

The joke of Jaune has long overtaken the character. As a result, the highest point of his career thus far was way back in the forest. Like, the fact that "Pyrrha dies because Jaune is such a f*ck-up that he has transcended being hilariously inconsequential and become actively detrimental to his team!" was even on the table shows about how much anyone at RT cares about Jaune's development.

With a clever tactical mind and Pyrrha's training, he should be getting better. Instead, he seems to get worse with each season that passes. Because it's funnier that way, I guess.

Zwei... Zwei just took out Mercury. Also Emerald and Cinder, but also Mercury, god of capoeria. I think Badass Mountain has just named its new king.

Well, yeah. He's a CORGI. What can possibly stand against that? [lol]

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#39332: Sep 22nd 2016 at 9:27:56 PM

That or any JJBA villain ever, barring one of the Pillar Men since Kars loves animals and would kill one of his subordinates for even harming one.

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#39333: Sep 22nd 2016 at 9:28:01 PM

Why is this thread prone to ridiculously long posts?

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#39334: Sep 22nd 2016 at 9:28:38 PM

Because people like overanalyzing silly webshows made in Texas.

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#39335: Sep 22nd 2016 at 9:35:10 PM

Why else would we be on TV Tropes?

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#39336: Sep 22nd 2016 at 9:36:03 PM

A bullet to the head.

Zwei would catch it in his teeth! Then return it.

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#39337: Sep 22nd 2016 at 9:36:04 PM

...I mostly just use the site for the forums, to keep up to date on stuff, and to talk to people.

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#39338: Sep 22nd 2016 at 9:37:26 PM

@Tobias: I repeat what I said earlier: I believe the takeaway was Jaune getting the idea to use Nora's Semblance from the commentary, not the knowledge of what it did. Which ties in nicely with the whole strategist thing.

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#39339: Sep 22nd 2016 at 10:31:15 PM

And to my knowledge the lightning storm she absorbed wasn't there until after the infodump, so it's hardly like he missed this blatantly obvious thing, and more that he noticed the lightning and was like "well ain't that handy". As for the team attacks, we are kinda given very little background on either team actually learning them, so both of them came out of nowhere and one felt like a goofy reference to the other, since there were more couple names to use and one was in a serious battle against a mobster in a mech, and the other was in a publicly sanctioned battle that was ultimately in the spirit of competition rather than violence (until later, but those were manipulated and hardly intentional). That both teams kinda just sat there goes to show the relatively low stakes of the fight (if the somewhat mediocre comedy didn't already clue you in on), since the opposing team was more distracted by the impromptu team meeting than particularly looking for some exploitable weakness.

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#39340: Sep 22nd 2016 at 10:33:27 PM

[up]Point being, Neptune really should team up with Nora. If they get into trouble in a fight, he can give her a zap! [lol]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
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#39341: Sep 22nd 2016 at 10:43:24 PM

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Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#39342: Sep 23rd 2016 at 12:25:56 AM

I see a common complaint for volume 3 are that the fights are meh because Monty didn't do them but I never really felt that way? Volume 3's fights were pretty memorable for me and while the choreography isn't as technical there's still other aspects like camera shots, and composition that make the fights. Only fights in volume 3 I didn't like were the team Sun one and that was mainly due to having lame teammates and Neptune(who is kind of lame in general).

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#39343: Sep 23rd 2016 at 12:29:09 AM

Honestly I thought that Sun's fight was the only decent one in the 4 v 4 of the tournament.

It still wasn't very good but it was less a problem with animation and more with the character stupidity that all the 4 v 4s had.

Which as we've seen is not something Monty's ideas were free of anyway.

edited 23rd Sep '16 12:30:51 AM by Saiga

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#39344: Sep 23rd 2016 at 2:30:42 AM

Random wondering.

Among the student characters, is there any "healer"? There are plenty of supporters and mage types, but I don't think I've seen any healing type.

I guess unless Aura is something that can be replenished, healing wouldn't mean much there.

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shinigamiPeter Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#39345: Sep 23rd 2016 at 3:25:56 AM

I went to sleep for a few hours, and suddenly there's 3 new pages. Never change, thread.

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As for the JNPR vs BRNZ...Feels like that fight is a case of "one drop spoils a barrel" for many people. Jaune did pretty solidly for the most part, only making a blunder at the end- and that's what people seem to remember the most, even though it wasn't the only thing he did. He, in order:

-made JNPR retreat from unfavorable position (in a rather good, trained way- Ren and Nora first, Jaune and Pyrrha covering them with shields) and assume tactics better against sniper

-sent Nora to the top of the mountain to charge her up with the thunder; btw, I have to say, never before have I heard anyone accusing Jaune of not knowing Nora's Semblance. I agree with Alfric- after the infodump from Oobleck and Prodman getting a hammer to the crotch, Jaune's reaction is to hearing a thunderstorm starting on top of the mountain, and quickly choosing to take advantage of that opportunity

-sent Ren to distract the sniper to allow Nora to get her power-up undisturbed

-called Pyrrha for a boosted jump to protect Nora from sniper bullet

At this point, JNPR basically won. Jaune wanted to finish the fight in "cool" manner with team attacks (and from the conversation and Pyrrha recognizing "the thing when we take our shields", those did seem to be a thing they practiced earlier), and that didn't worked because lol jokes! and miscommunication, but as the last order to Nora shows, he knew that they could've finished it at any time thanks to her still being supercharged.

Plus, the fight does show him improving as a fighter- back in V1, Cardin completely moped the floor with him. Here, he's doing ok against BRNZ members, while still keeping clear enough head to issue orders on the run.

[up][up] Ehh...SSSN vs NDGO is, in my opinion, the worst fight so far in the series. It was all one big joke, Sage and Scarlet had a terrific first impressions of respectively being taken out in the first 40 seconds and being taken out with a nut shot from Sun's redirected attack, Neptune almost cost his team a round because he refused to get close to water, and SSSN in general not deseving that win- NDGO showed more skill and teamplay, and they were 3 vs 2 at the end, before ANOTHER multikill, because they decided to just stand in the water for about a minute, just so Neptune could be useful for once and veeeery slowly put his trident in and take them all out.

[up] There are some theories about Jaune possibly having a healing Semblance (since he healed his own wounds and bruises from the beatdown Cardin gave him), but nothing's confirmed yet.

edited 23rd Sep '16 4:19:43 AM by shinigamiPeter

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#39346: Sep 23rd 2016 at 6:11:12 AM

I hate what happened with Sage and Scarlet, but this series is fucking terrible at handling its male characters. That's nothing new at all.

I wasn't particularly impressed with NDGO's performance, aside from Sage getting knocked out they did quite poorly to me - Scarlett only got taken out from a dumb joke.

Just like the previous fight, the comedy can at the expense of the fight. But I'd say this wasn't as bad as the previous fights, with the jokes being quicker and less obnoxious.

I mean, NDGO losing because they stood there and waited - yeah, that's only the same thing that happened to both teams before-hand. RWBY's opponents stood around and waiting for the ridiculously stupid combo to take them out, JNPR's opponents stood around for the team huddle and for Nora taking them out.

But I found the situation made a lot more sense in SSSN's case. NDGO were clearly aware of Neptune's fear of water, and so staying in the water would definitely seem like the smarter choice when they have the upper hand and no reason to risk it. It also happens to be a situation where the one-shot win is actually believable, and we already knew Neptune's weapon could use electricity (and they had no way of knowing that).

All in all a far better fight than the ones before it.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#39347: Sep 23rd 2016 at 6:43:00 AM

I mean, sure, from a logical stand point. Some people have different priorities.

I like Jaune's showing at the beginning of his 4v4 but was otherwise pretty equally meh about his and Sun's fight.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39348: Sep 23rd 2016 at 6:54:52 AM

[up][up]Heh, you don't usually hear people complaining about shows handling their male characters badly, unless they're just bad shows that handle characters badly in general.

But, yeah, character development and interactions with the guys are often...not good here.

edited 23rd Sep '16 7:56:50 AM by LSBK

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#39349: Sep 23rd 2016 at 7:03:33 AM

[up]RWBY is a pretty interesting show at times in those ways.

And it doesn't even stop in the show itself, the fandom is quite interesting in various ways as well.

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shinigamiPeter Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#39350: Sep 23rd 2016 at 7:53:55 AM

[up][up][up]I agree that this RWBY has problems with male characters (at least when it comes to students), but Sage and Scarlet are just...ughhh. Those guys were advertised in the opening as important, it was their first fight in the series...and they're the only ones of their team to be taken out. Even Fox and Yatsuhashi were at least introduced as badasses, while Sage and Scarlet start as jokes.

While NDGO's performence wasn't all that magnificent, they still showed more teamwork than Scarlet being taken out by Sun's coconuts and Neptune refusing to help for most of the fight.

I disagree- RWBY vs ABRN had little jokes (mostly some fun at expense of Reese and Nadir) and JNPR vs BRNZ had it's jokes concentrated on the "team meeting" segment, being fairly serious otherwise. With SSSN vs NDGO, most of the time was spent on jokes. Seriously Sun, coconuts?

ABRN stood grouped because Arslan was helping Bolin and Nadir get out of the ice. JNPR was mostly because of suprise- BRNZ didn't expected the team who was arguing a few seconds before to suddenly go "alright, screw rule of cool, lets just destroy them" (though the fact that they didn't attacked JNPR when they could shows sportsmanship...and stupidity). And yes, NDGO getting into the water to exploit Neptune's fear was a good idea, but standing there and watching while he takes out an obvious, sparking electrostick and then tiptoes towards the water without doing anything (they just keep posing) is a bigger sin than those before it.

So yeah, still don't like it. Though I guess all the 4v4 fights weren't exactly best, so lets agree to disagree.

edited 23rd Sep '16 7:58:06 AM by shinigamiPeter


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