Let see:
-Raven atacking JNRP sound....weird, but again anything related to her is weird
-I think Adam one shot Yang was better that having a prolonge fight, the scene already look to much "Yang is going to kick Adam for harm her waifu" this help Yang and establish Adam as big deal(or like I like to said, Adam is kylo ren write RIGHT)
´-Mercury vs Yang, for all Shane complaing he handle that fight very well
And Cinder and Jaune....yeah, the situation raise to many bad point like the idea of Jaune helping somehow consider his hability or power level no being even close
Also some trivia is that Monty listen linking park while creating Adam(monty plz, you cannot make him more of a edgelord a this point) that could go
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Gotcha.
Yeah, here's the thing about writers: they aren't perfect. Editors exist for a reason, because the best writers are the ones who have someone to go, "...no, George. That's stupid. When we talked about this, it was the Wookie homeworld. Because Wookies are a thing and people are excited to see more of them. Nobody's going to like half-sized teddy bear Wookies. Not even the kids. Even the kids love Wookies, so we're sticking with the Wookies."
As a writer, you can have the most brilliant, GENIUS idea in the whole goddamned world, and then a year later look at it and go, "Oh my f*cking god, this is the stupidest thing I have ever written. Why didn't anyone ever tell me this was shit?" Other people have an easier time seeing flaws in our drafts than we do because they aren't as emotionally invested in what was just put to paper.
Monty Oum had a lot of great ideas, but he also has bad ideas. Everyone has bad ideas. Weeding the bad out of the good is just part of the creative process. And now Monty's not even here to HAVE good or bad ideas anymore, so it's up to the team at Rooster Teeth to interpret the ideas he had, figure out which ones are good and which are bad, and do the best job they can making an entertaining story out of them.
edited 21st Sep '16 3:15:51 PM by TobiasDrake
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Shane was an animator (and voice actor, he voiced Russel in Volume 1) for RWBY and left/was fired from Rooster Teeth after Monty's passing. According to him, it's because he was Monty's friend and RT wanted to get rid of anything Monty-related at RT besides RWBY itself.
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Well.... when you put it that way...
edited 21st Sep '16 3:17:08 PM by BlackSunNocturne
Did he ever cite a reason for that? Did RT not get along well with Monty or something? Because that's the kind of accusation that demands a motive.
edited 21st Sep '16 3:16:36 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.RT got along well with Monty. The problem is that Monty is a shitty writer. Great animator, but his writing skills aren't great by any means. Hell, when they tried to edit some of his stuff, we ended up getting the shitty finales to Vol's 1 and 2 from him sliding them past the rest of the guys without their knowledge.
edited 21st Sep '16 3:20:32 PM by AdricDePsycho
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Some of them were known before Shane's letter. That's part of the problem with some of the things Shane says. He's trying to interpret things that happened (that's what the letter is - his personal experience/interpretation of what happened), but some of the things he said only Sheena knew couldn't have been true because Monty had mentioned all these things in interviews while the rest of the gang (Miles, Kerry, the main voice actors, etc) were in the same room - meaning that not only did plenty of the creation team know, but the fans who had watched the interviews did, too.
It's the most important problem with the letter. It comes from a very broken-hearted place, and it's one person's interpretation of what happened and why. It's too personal to trope, and - in a way - it's importing drama, too.
I don't recall him citing Pyrrha. I recall him stating that JNPR were in a cafe and Raven attacks them there, and that it was foreshadowing, but not listing the individual members of the team (obviously Pyrrha would have been there because this would have been before her death, but he didn't explicitly state her name as far as I remember). I also recall Shane saying that it was his belief that they cut the scene because they didn't know what the relevance of the scene was and that only Sheena did know. Miles and Kerry have mentioned that they did cut a Raven scene from Volume 3 — timing issues was the reason cited. They did not confirm it was the scene Shane mentioned, however.
edited 21st Sep '16 3:20:49 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Hard to said, Shane claim they want to get rid of him and blokcing is ideas, but on the other hand he manage to sneak things into show like Penny entrance or Yang seeing Raven something the writes didnt like at all.
He was also the reason of the train fight, is motives? "I want boss fights" not surprising them why Ambar mention the "video game logic" here
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"That makes sense. I can see where both sides of that are coming from.
RT is primarily concerned with taking Monty's notes and making the best show they can out of them.
Monty's friends are primarily concerned with Monty's lasting legacy being a flawless reproduction of what he wrote, because they're mourning a dear friend and want to preserve his final creation.
Resulting in RWBY getting caught in a tug-of-war over whether it should be a webseries subjected to the typical creative process or a legacy project for its dearly departed creator.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Basically, Shane was making Rooster Teeth out to be acting like one of those big companies, like EA or Ubisoft
There's no tug of war though. Shane's the only one complaining, Sheena is (smartly) staying out of the shitstorm, and Monty's other friends, Miles and Kerry, are still working on it.
edited 21st Sep '16 3:24:43 PM by BlackSunNocturne
I'm inclined to agree that we shouldn't trope the letter. We're not supposed to be troping real people in the first place, and the letter is not a work of fiction.
edited 21st Sep '16 3:25:30 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.If you ask me, the writing team taking over is the best thing to happen to RWBY, no disrespect to Monty. Looking at stuff like Breach should be enough to tell. Monty was one hell of an animator and his creativity was incredible, but at the end of the day he'd put cool fights and eye-catching characters over plot or tension.
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At best we should used some stuff he said in what could have been but not mention the latter
Also, Tobias what did you think of the change made? I mean I now you would shit n Jaune forever have thing gone as plan but the others? just curiosity
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Yeah the train fight is good example of monty puting rule of cool over plot as it kinda damage Yang advise to Blake
edited 21st Sep '16 3:28:28 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Shane's belief is that Rooster Teeth didn't like (and didn't comprehend) Monty's style of work (the way he set up his workstreams, the software he used, his method of organising and uploading his work to the servers, etc. - Shane does list a number of examples).
Shane makes it pretty clear that he worshipped Monty and Monty's entire way of doing things, and was trying to emulate Monty's method and work style as much as possible. He indicates that Rooster Teeth were out to get Monty if they could, but they needed his talent far too much so had to give way on his working style (including the software).
Shane felt that, once Monty died, they saw their chance to sweep out all of this and bring in everything they had always wanted and which Monty had always resisted, and they were very intolerant of anyone who tried to protect Monty's software, workstreams and vision (namely, Shane).
It is fascinating to read Shane's take on this because this isn't something that's completely new to the fans (Shane's take on it is new, but not the subject). It's another subject that's cropped up in interviews with the staff in the past - interviews that included Monty - where Monty's preference for the software they were initially using was mentioned, and that there had been debates in the office over it. In the interviews, staff said that, ultimately, Monty excelled in that software and not the other software that most animators typically use.
Monty's working style and workstream madness was also legend - among the staff and fans alike. It was mentioned often in interviews. Fans would comment on it. There were those 'go to sleep!' and 'Monty's fuelled by caffeine' memes going on for years. And does anyone remember the story the staff told in interviews about finding Monty curled up asleep under his desk?
So the subject Shane was discussing here was already in the public domain, to a degree anyway. Shane's version of events is certainly a new take, but putting that letter side-by-side with past interviews that involved many staff joking about it (including Monty) is something I found quite interesting to do.
Ultimately, this letter is entirely one person's interpretation about something that he admits was a very difficult and dark time in his life for several reasons - both work related and personal. I don't feel the letter is a comfortable subject because it's about a real person's very real feelings about a very real, and clearly painful, event in his life.
It's Flame Bait at worst, it's troping real people and importing drama at best. I certainly don't think we should be mining it for tropes, trivia items and YMMV items - that's just crass.
edited 21st Sep '16 3:52:36 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Shane also bizarrely thought that Yuri Lowenthal was a stand-in.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Shane very much enjoyed the cheap garage band friends only thing RT had going, so he didn't like that they wanted to change up Monty's system, hired a bunch of new guys and started using professional V As.
Of course, Monty's system was something only he could use properly, and Monty was a machine that put more man hours into the work than most ever would bother, and as a result with him gone they pretty much had to change it or else RWBY would take forever to get out.
He was correct that RT snubbed Sheena, but by all accounts she's a very difficult person to deal with anyway.
And by his letter he seems to be under the impression that as Monty's assistant, with Monty dying Shane would take Monty's place in running the show, and was angry they just left him as an animator and didn't elevate him to creator status.
One thing that he DOES seem right about though is the Raven thing. By all accounts Raven was supposed to silently save Yang and that was all M and K wanted to do with her until Beacon was down, but Monty really wanted to show her more and get her some lines, so he basically twisted everyone's arm into throwing in that random Vol 2 stinger meeting. With Monty now gone, M and K pretty much choose to ignore that scene in Vol 3 and that's why it never is brought up and Yang acts like it never happened. The Raven vs JNPR thing was another thing Monty wanted that without him to push it they choose to ignore.
I really do need to finish reading that letter someday.
That's so lame!
That would be brutal. That'd be one-sided as hell.
edited 21st Sep '16 5:07:16 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!Well, is not that they act that never happen as Yang talk to Qrow.
So, Shana was supused to be Winter and Qrow Monty? that explain the BST of this two
Also, it was true the idea of the maiden was just thought in Volume 3? I mean Monty made a big deal of Dust and Aura no being magic and for good reason but is kinda hard to see Ozpin in volume 1 and 2 as anything but excentric teacher
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Yeah, I know, I read the letter in full. My point is that we don't know if some of those are What Could Have Been or are things that may crop up elsewhere. Miles and Kerry did say that Raven was supposed to have a scene that they cut from Volume 3 because of timing (implied to be the scene Shane mentioned and they didn't indicate whether they'd dropped the idea, just the scene at the intended moment) but that doesn't mean the point the scene won't be revisited in another way. Monty himself said that things he originally imagined happening in Volume 1 were now going to happen much later down the road and things he imagined happening a long while down the road were happening in Volume 1 or 2. He used it as an example of how ideas become story.
Some of it, like Jaune's role in Pyrrha's death or Yang thrashing Adam to save Blake, are obviously a What Could Have Been moment because those moments have passed (and I'm frankly glad those two ideas never happened), but the idea of Raven attacking Team JNPR in a cafe for some foreshadowing reason? That could still happen for all we know, just in a slightly different way.
edited 21st Sep '16 3:14:57 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.