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#39151: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:44:14 PM

...which usually happen with the help of trusty friends/loved ones as companions.

That's kind of Storytelling 101.

Not really, no. I mean sure, maybe to prepare the character, but the final battle is typically 1v1 between The Hero and The Villain of the story. It's rare to see all the heroes dogpile on the villain, except as an opening action in which the villain slaughters them all in order to isolate the hero and force him/her to fight 1v1.

The more heroes you bring to the final battle, the harder your companions are going to Worf.

Also, well no crap, the White Fang is a tool. In a lot of stories everything and everyone in the big bad's organization is a tool except the big guy/gal him/herself.

Yeah. Which is Salem.

Adam might be impressive compared to Torchwick, but end of the day, he's just a terrorist. Cinder, meanwhile, is rocking the ultimate power of an ancient mystical force of nature - and probably more than one, and certainly all four by the time she's confronted. Adam is meaningless next to the Legend of the Four Seasons.

And Salem's implied to directly rival the Wizard of Ozpin who empowered them in the first place, which means she's an even bigger earth-shattering threat than Cinder. Adam can't even hope to compare to her.

So Adam is next. He's not the Big Bad, he's just an Arc Villain to keep the cast busy while the more ancient mythical elements of the story are established and fleshed out.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:45:00 PM by TobiasDrake

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#39152: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:52:06 PM

Being expendable to the final boss and being a major threat to the protagonists is a completely exclusive matter.

Seeing how a couple of stronger mooks that rarely get mentioned afterwards got a big multiple-vs-1 fight, it's pretty likely that Adam will also get a fight like that.

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#39153: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:53:00 PM

A big thing for me is that the idea of a teenage girl growing enough in a few months to match a trained terrorist powerhouse 1v1 seems odd, and I feel it'd help make the villain seem more threatening while still demonstrating the heroes being able to beat them. Someone like Roman, or the Lieutenant, or Emerald and Mercury won't need a team battle, but Adam I feel is at least late game boss tier, unless he turns out to be below some bigger leader in the White Fang or something. I could see a Blake 1v1 in that case, if the new leader were established and Blake showed some growth, though I'd still prefer a 2v1 at least (maybe Yang and Blake just to mirror the massacre that was this most recent encounter).

This might also be at least in part my own bias against contrived shonen 1v1's showing though.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:54:15 PM by Alfric

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#39154: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:53:44 PM

I dont think the whole thing will get him, but maybe Blake and Yang, maybe a early help from Sun consider his style can help against him, but a 1 on 1? unlike it

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#39155: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:55:02 PM

Also, I'm honestly not seeing why people are hyping Adam up this much. Cutting off Yang's arm was certainly impressive but I don't think it warrants putting him on the same level as Cinder or way above Mercury or Emerald, at least not as much as seems to be happening.

This entire discussion has been predicated on the basis that Adam is on such a higher level from everyone else, that I'm not really sure I buy it.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:58:04 PM by LSBK

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#39156: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:57:42 PM

Now, if Blake whips out that Dust magazine one more time against Adam, I do feel that she has a much better chance. Then again, it was against Roman, who appears to be about low to mid-level of villain power tier.

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#39157: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:01:27 PM

[up][up]Adam manage to cut Yang with one hit, that change a lot, even Cinder have a fair and square fight, right now Adam is C&C butcher.

[up]That fight was weird as hell, including Roman fighting with Ruby who is faster than Blake and pluming to the ground and giving a taste of his pimp cane

edited 19th Sep '16 10:02:37 PM by unknowing

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#39158: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:01:49 PM

Seeing how a couple of stronger mooks that rarely get mentioned afterwards got a big multiple-vs-1 fight, it's pretty likely that Adam will also get a fight like that.

Those are mooks. They aren't personal for anyone, they aren't integral to anybody's stories, they literally exist for the sole purpose of being defeated in cool ways that let the heroes show off.

Adam has a bit more narrative purpose to the story than showing off this cool Blake/Ruby combo attack the animators thought of.

edited 19th Sep '16 10:04:11 PM by TobiasDrake

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#39159: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:03:42 PM

[up][up]...I really can't make out what most of that is supposed to mean. I noted the arm-cutting.

edited 19th Sep '16 10:04:57 PM by LSBK

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#39160: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:04:35 PM

Hell, look at Torchwick. He had a lot of fight scenes with various members of the cast, often multiples at once. But when push came to shove, his big finale was against Ruby alone. That kind of fight is more intimate. More personal. It allows the characters to really interact in a way they can't as a group. It serves the contrast between hero and villain.

edited 19th Sep '16 10:05:46 PM by TobiasDrake

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#39161: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:06:02 PM

[up]it was him and Neo, even the villian used more team work than the heroes!

[up][up]It a game changer since without Aura they are not badass fighter but a bunch of teenagers, Adam can stright up butcher them without much thought

edited 19th Sep '16 10:06:47 PM by unknowing

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#39162: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:06:30 PM

With Adam, I'm admittedly going off of JRPG setup where the villain with ties to a main character usually lasts for much of the story and gets a climactic, long final fight. Like the God-Generals from Tales Of The Abyss, though he could be more of a disc one major boss, being the first step in success at striking a blow against the main villains. Regardless of when he's fought, I don't expect the girls to have leveled up enough to match him 1v1 depending on whichever game convention he's working off of. Perhaps when they show up with snazzy new abilities like what Ruby showed in the trailer, I might be sufficiently impressed to think a 1v1 could happen.

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#39163: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:06:41 PM

I actually hope the team of Blake & Sun (with Sun perhaps going down midway through and Blake going to second half alone) defeat Adam. Purely for the sake of cohesion.

When it comes to mythological things, he's Sun Wukong who has his conflict with the Bull Demon King. I don't feel they picked the fairy tale and mythology allusions haphazardly. So I want them to follow up on that. I don't want, however, for him to just be her savior or anything, but he is her friend and canon love interest so far and I rather them actually have that building to something as opposed to it just existing. As for why I add in the go down midway, take him out and you can have him contribute in a way in the build up. Or well, that's how I'd do it since I believe more in bringing down the enemy in ways to defeat them. Knowing RWBY's style, they would likely go the route of some emotional power boost as opposed to one person softens the enemy up then the second person exploits that opening.

And again before Bumblebee comes up, I reiterate that I don't give a damn about either ship. I'm far more concerned with the plotting & making everything cohesive than I am catering to either crowd. Yang vs. Mercury is what I'm more concerned for her.

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#39164: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:08:46 PM

Oh man, I would be pretty disappointed if the next Yang vs Mercury right didn't involve Yang breaking Mercury's leg for real. evil grin

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#39165: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:08:58 PM

[up][up]I think the same, also Sun powerset also can counter Adam who need prise hits, both him and Blake can give Adam a hard time.

I think, Merc vs Yan would be one of the most brutal fight of all, Merc already know her styling style and wont back down now, also we haven seen his semblence

edited 19th Sep '16 10:09:55 PM by unknowing

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#39166: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:11:49 PM

I personally would prefer a 1v1 scenario for Blake and Adam. Partially for storytelling reasons, and partially so something of substance would kill the impression of Blake being useless.

Oh man, I would be pretty disappointed if the next Yang vs Mercury right didn't involve Yang breaking Mercury's leg for real.
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edited 19th Sep '16 10:12:43 PM by Karxrida

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#39167: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:11:56 PM

I want to see some blood.

If not, I will settle with a lot of bone cracking. evil grin

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#39168: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:15:13 PM

I do wonder if the writers were aware of the impression people had of Blake. Mostly because until I looked at places like this I never would have thought of anyone as useless. Partially because it doesn't really matter to me that much, partially because I think some of the points people bring up are unfair.

But either way, it'll be interesting to see what she (and the others) are doing and how things have changed.

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#39169: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:15:28 PM

[up][up]For some reason I imagine this dialogue in the Adam vs Yang moment

Adam: tell me Yang, do you bleed? Yang: GET AWAY FROM HER Adam: you will...

And bleed it did, and bleed it did

[up][up][up]I prefer a teamate fight, in part because that is what RWBY should be

[up]I Doubt it, but Monty wanted to expand Blake armor, let see if they can do that.

edited 19th Sep '16 10:16:52 PM by unknowing

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#39170: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:17:25 PM

The team angle honestly always seemed tacked on to me, or at least, making it official with a team leader and such.

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#39171: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:19:58 PM

Adam: So you bleed...now I'm going to cut everyone in your team, Blake.

Blake: Why would you do such a thing?

Adam: Did you even see that? She bled gold! I want to see what your other friends bleed. Do you know if anyone bleed peanut butter?

Blake: THAT'S NOT HOW BLOOD WORKS YOU FUCKING PSYCHOPATH!

Adam: Really? You sure? Because there was this one time I cut a guy and he bled Kool-Aid. Oh yeah...

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#39172: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:20:51 PM

[up][up]they have been somewhat consistent about it, Cinder plan is divide and conquer, and only Weiss win his solo combat with Atlas paladin and that was AFTER helping Velvet, Blake was stab, Yang maim and Ruby learn what ultraviolence means

when they fight alne, they cant win

edited 19th Sep '16 10:21:34 PM by unknowing

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#39173: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:35:50 PM

[up][up][up]A team leader for who...the villains or the time-skip team...

Before things got real, the 2 main teams already had leaders.

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#39174: Sep 19th 2016 at 10:56:34 PM

Wait... since Weiss dispatched a Paladin with her summoned knight... does this mean she can now summon a Paladin?

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#39175: Sep 19th 2016 at 11:34:38 PM

[up]In theory, maybe in pratice...no

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