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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#39126: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:02:12 PM

Because we haven't seen the full extent of his capacity, we can't say for certain that Blake can ever be strong enough to take on him alone, seeing how she isn't like Batman or Shikamaru.

Seeing how I never addressed you as a person, just your logic, if you feel insulted by that, that's on you.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:03:35 PM by dRoy

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#39127: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:04:04 PM

So instead of going with "The heroine who clearly needs to face her demons in the form of her evil ex and the organization she used to love will defeat him", you think "The evil ex will always be stronger than her." is more likely/interesting?

In order for my logic to be "shallow and uneducated" you'd have to explain why. All you've done so far is go "anything could happen". I have made no assumptions about how these turn of events are going to play out, just that they very likely will for reasons that should be obvious.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:06:53 PM by LSBK

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#39128: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:05:56 PM

[up]Now, is "She must trust in her team and face as one" instead of "Follow the loner path" that it

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#39129: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:07:46 PM

[up]Who is saying anything about her doing everything alone? I think two issues are being conflated here.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:08:50 PM by LSBK

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#39130: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:08:54 PM

So instead of going with "The heroine who clearly needs to face her demons in the form of her evil ex and the organization she used to love will defeat him", you think "The evil ex will always be stronger than her." is more likely/interesting?

The most interesting thing, and what I personally want to see, is Blake fighting against him as a team.

We can have another epic fight like the Nevermore or the Paladin battle. grin

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#39131: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:10:16 PM

Beyond the Blake issue, I don't see how he warrants that. In the end, he's just a pawn.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:10:39 PM by LSBK

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#39132: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:13:23 PM

Nevermore and the Paladin weren't more than a couple of extra-strong mooks either.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:13:42 PM by dRoy

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#39133: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:15:59 PM

Different thing. The Nevermore was to establish them as a team, and the Paladin because it was the first time we've seen what and they always get team fights.

I'm not really sure why characters having important one-on-one fights somehow undermines the value of teamwork or friendship. Going by the open, each girl is probably going to get at least one.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:17:03 PM by LSBK

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#39134: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:16:40 PM

Cinder is boring and irredeemable
Saying she's irredeemable implies that we know enough about her to make that judgment call when we honestly barely know anything about her or the situation with Salem. For all we know, Cinder is an Unwitting Pawn of Salem's with a Freudian Excuse.

I still think labeling her as a Complete Monster at this stage of the show's story was exceptionally premature.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:17:18 PM by Karxrida

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#39135: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:17:11 PM

Nevermore and the Paladin weren't more than a couple of extra-strong mooks either.
Incredibly incorrect there dRoy.

The Nevermore and Paladin WERE cases of a Boss in Mook Clothing. But after team RWBY gets better at fighting they became Degraded Bosses. The fact that the second year Coco managed to annihilate a couple Nevermores in Breach should have clued people in on that: What are big boss Grimm/Insert Enemy Here to entry-level students are nothing more than Elite Mooks to more experienced ones. And apparently a couple months of training is all it takes to get to that level.

Which is pretty accurate to almost any series like RWBY.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:19:37 PM by BlackSunNocturne

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#39136: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:18:43 PM

[up]I wanted to express that but I didn't know if there was a trope for it.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:19:02 PM by LSBK

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#39137: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:19:49 PM

If they were Boss in Mook Clothing, Adam is, well, a boss. Not the Final Boss, but one of the stronger boss nonetheless. So, I'm still correct here.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:20:09 PM by dRoy

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#39138: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:21:49 PM

Individual heroes getting their own Boss Fight before the real final battle isn't exactly uncommon.

Mercury, Emerald, and Cinder are probably going to be dealt single-combat too, I'd imagine. How the situations would come about is one thing, but I think it's likely.

That or Mercury and Emerald are a tag match.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:23:29 PM by LSBK

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#39139: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:24:28 PM

Facing a strong boss as a party isn't exactly rare either.

Since White Fang is most likely going to be one of the, if not the, biggest antagonist factions in later seasons, fighting Adam is going to be in the interest of Team RWBY as a whole anyway.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:25:34 PM by dRoy

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#39140: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:25:48 PM

Blake not being formidable enough to defeat Adam doesn't really mean anything. It's the underdog principle. The villain is always an insurmountable force of evil, right up to the point where the hero manages to surmount him/her.

That's, like, storytelling 101.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:27:48 PM by TobiasDrake

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#39141: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:26:09 PM

[up][up]It certainly becomes rarer when the boss in question is one of the parties personal enemies.

[up]Apparently basic storytelling doesn't matter.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:26:45 PM by LSBK

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#39142: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:28:33 PM

Also I don't think the White Fang is going to be that important to the endgame. They're tools for the villains. On the sliding scale of evil, Torchwick < Adam < Cinder < Salem. The White Fang aren't going to be the ultimate foes. They're going to be the next arc, while the story continues laying groundwork for Cinder and Salem.

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#39143: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:33:28 PM

The villain is always an insurmountable force of evil, right up to the point where the hero manages to surmount him/her.

...which usually happen with the help of trusty friends/loved ones as companions.

That's kind of Storytelling 101.

Also, well no crap, the White Fang is a tool. In a lot of stories everything and everyone in the big bad's organization is a tool except the big guy/gal him/herself.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:35:04 PM by dRoy

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#39144: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:35:01 PM

I feel Emerald and Mercury are going to be defeat but one of them is going to pull the heel-face-turn, and that one will be Emerald

thing is, RWBY is a series about team work and so far it have pull that out, both times they team have face enemies alone it go badly for them, they need to stick as one

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#39145: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:36:55 PM

wild mass guessAdam will kill everyone in Team RWBY, and the series shifts to another team called RWBYwild mass guess

I know I probably have made the same joke before, but it does bring up a question in is there been a series what has a really big case of Decoy Protagonist where every apparent protagonist in the beginning of a story turns out not to be the real protagonist and die in the middle of the story.

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#39146: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:37:44 PM

Now, I have no problem with Blake overcoming Adam alone when it comes to emotional aspect of the conflict. If that resolves the conflict entirely that there is no need for her to also have a physical conflict, that would mean that she can face Adam by herself and it would be cool.

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#39147: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:38:24 PM

I wanna see more 1vX fights. Pyrrha vs CRDL is one of my favorite fight scenes in fiction. All-out RWBY versus Adam would be sweeeet.

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#39148: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:38:52 PM

The two concept are not at odds. People can work with and value a team while still doing/being put in situations where they do things along. Often times owing their new strength to working in a team in the first place.

I'm not trying to predicate ever single thing that's going to happen. Just the idea that ever semi-major villain is going to/should be defeat in a team battle seems strange/unlikely to me. Like, there should be some things they can't do by themselves, but I don't think "you can't do anything important alone" is a particularly good message either.

edited 19th Sep '16 9:46:12 PM by LSBK

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#39149: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:43:38 PM

I wanna see more 1vX fights. Pyrrha vs CRDL is one of my favorite fight scenes in fiction. All-out RWBY versus Adam would be sweeeet.

Pretty much, yes.

That Pyrrha vs CRDL was the fight that made me feel convinced that RWBY's combat choreography is in good hands, even with Monty no longer available.

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#39150: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:44:09 PM

[up][up][up]Consider how an Adam fanboy im right now, I agree with you

[up][up]Is emocional aseop, while Blake vs Adam is a thing, I think having help of someone could do more, since this is a series about team work, it will bad if reduce to Loner vs Loner, also it make a good parallel as Adam use the white fang to his own end, countering Blake who value his team members

edited 19th Sep '16 9:44:41 PM by unknowing

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