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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#39051: Sep 18th 2016 at 8:55:06 AM

Oh my goodness, that last one killed me. It was pure Looney Tunes.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#39052: Sep 18th 2016 at 9:15:52 AM

People can pass out from pain. It happens.

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#39053: Sep 18th 2016 at 9:30:18 AM

But not instantaneously. THAT doesn't happen.

Unless it's at the head, but that's more of a concussion.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#39054: Sep 18th 2016 at 9:57:53 AM

... yes. It can and does.

It's to prevent you from further harming yourself. Now, that doesn't make sense in a combat situation. That's because said bodily response wasn't designed for that.

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#39055: Sep 18th 2016 at 9:59:19 AM

Listen, unless someone here happens to have had a limb cut off very recently, I don't think any of us can say how a person truly reacts when their arm is suddenly not there.

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#39056: Sep 18th 2016 at 10:06:52 AM

Even then, people can react differently to different situations. One person having one response doesn't somehow make a different response invalid.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#39057: Sep 18th 2016 at 1:55:17 PM

It just strikes me as particularly odd when you have a character who can get smashed through a pillar or thrown into orbit and come back down like it's nothing, but have them just faint all of a sudden from losing an arm. That's like a human being surviving a 100 foot drop unassisted and walking it off, but passing out from a paper cut losing a finger/hand/arm/foot and the sight of blood.

wild mass guessYang Xiao Long, hemophobic?

It might be a possible reaction but it's not what you expect from The Berserker. Now if Weiss had passed out I could buy that because Weiss allegedly has poor stamina and has been knocked out twice. She's not a tank. I mean Blake got stabbed through the stomach and she still had enough resolve to get up and carry Yang to safety. And if Blake can do something like that, Yang really needs to woman-up] and work through the pain.

I mean I doubt any of us has the medical experience to say it's actually incredibly likely that someone would pass out immediately, just like you can say almost none of us has had enough experience losing a limb say that it wouldn't happen.

But alas.

edited 18th Sep '16 2:10:34 PM by Soble

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#39058: Sep 18th 2016 at 2:03:07 PM

I think is because they are not train to that, Aura help to absord the worst but Adam just bypass that in one hit and as world of god said, Adam just blunt force his way.

Right now, the hero need more training, Merc and Emerald kick coco and Yat, Cinder kill their best warrior and Adam just butcher Yang with one move, things are looking pretty damn bad right now

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#39059: Sep 18th 2016 at 2:12:28 PM

Oh yeah.

I kind of forgot how screwed the heroes currently are. Like at one point Torchwick and CRAME seemed like ineffectual villains and now they're walking all over the good guys.

The only person who stood a chance against Mercury was Pyrrha. I applaud Cinder's strategy.

edited 18th Sep '16 2:12:59 PM by Soble

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#39060: Sep 18th 2016 at 2:26:51 PM

I still don't really buy that. These are people trained for combat who have superpowers that let them get smashed through walls/land from several hundred foot drops and laugh it off. I have to assume there's some higher pain threshold in this world or nothing they do makes sense. A show can't have somebody resist x amounts of pressure/force, but then say " but the shock and pain of losing a limb made them lose consciousness."

They have their Aura. It's a force field that absorbs damage. When their Aura is drained, they start taking real damage.

Having a full Aura means they can get steamrolled by a tank and get up with comedy stars buzzing about their head. Having no Aura means they get stabbed like real people get stabbed, they die like real people die.

Either Adam shattered Yang's Aura with his strike or he bypassed it entirely somehow. Either way, if her Aura was protecting her the way it protected her against getting smashed through a concrete pillar or dropped from terminal velocity, she never would have lost the arm at all. But she did, and losing an arm is real-damage that she responds to realistically, rather than HP damage to her Aura meter.

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#39061: Sep 18th 2016 at 2:29:18 PM

[up]later in a interview they said, Adam just blunt force his way, consider she is bleeding gold I think he didnt depleted his Aura, he just cut it in that point

Which make hima C&C beast right now, so far the best to stand against him is....Coco and Yat

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#39062: Sep 18th 2016 at 2:29:25 PM

He just brute-forced past her Aura because he's that strong.

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[up] I was under the impression that the gold blood was due to the animators being artsy.

edited 18th Sep '16 2:30:47 PM by Karxrida

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#39063: Sep 18th 2016 at 2:31:02 PM

Yang has a shitload of armor but Adam used an anti-armor weapon/attack.

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#39064: Sep 18th 2016 at 2:33:27 PM

More like she had a lot of armor and he just had so goddamn much attack it didn't matter. At least as far I as understand it.

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#39065: Sep 18th 2016 at 2:36:31 PM

It's like a knight's armor being hit with a truck.

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#39067: Sep 18th 2016 at 2:42:40 PM

It does raise a problem for a future encounter: unless whoever is the poor sap to fight him does some serious training montage, his defeat in a clean combat might come off as worfing.

wild mass guessBlake beats Adam by having the sense to employ hit-n-run and stealth. About time she does.

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#39068: Sep 18th 2016 at 2:49:13 PM

Hit and run seems like a bad idea. Adam likes to return his blade to his sheath and then draw it for powerful strokes. This style comes up in anime a lot. It's based on a real-world martial art called iaido. Every time he has a moment to return his sword to its scabbard, he prepares for a powerful and deadly blow. The first strike is his strongest attack.

A hit-and-run style means he can return his sword to its scabbard constantly. It means you are only ever fighting his iaido. An entire battle of first strikes means an entire battle where Adam is at his strongest for every single exchange.

I think the best way to beat him is with an overpowering assault. Get around that first strike and then keep him on the defensive so he never has a chance to prepare another deadly strike. Keeping his sword constantly busy and out of his sheath means he only gets one shot with his iaido.

Ironically, the best person for this kind of assault might actually be Yang, but she was so heavily blindsided by his iaido that he cut her off before a sustained battle could even begin.

edited 18th Sep '16 2:51:47 PM by TobiasDrake

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#39069: Sep 18th 2016 at 2:58:18 PM

The problem with iado, or specifically Adam's iajutsu style, is that you have to be able to anticipate the attack. It's actually an incredibly slow and meticulous style.

So ironically, a hit-and-run style is the best way to fight against Adam because of it. Plus, Blake's Semblance allows her to basically Speed Blitz with her hit-and-runs, which counteracts the iaijutsu style. Plus: Adam's big hit can only go directly in front of him, Blake (or any hit-and-run attacker) can attack from everywhere but in front of Adam.

edited 18th Sep '16 3:05:21 PM by BlackSunNocturne

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#39070: Sep 18th 2016 at 3:35:04 PM

Well, in the Black trailer Adam was plenty fast when killing mooks. Only for his Moonslice did he do the full-on iaijutsu thing.

To reiterate what everyone's said, humans (and Penny!) in Remnant can be thought as having two health bars: one's their Aura, the other is regular human squishiness. As long as they have Aura, they take no permanent damage. Once the Aura is depleted (which is accompanied by a distinct visual cue, as seen with Mercury vs Yang, Amber vs CME, and Pyrrha vs Cinder), they're as vulnerable to harm as any regular human.

Now, Yang's Semblance is essentially a Limit Break as presented by the original: as she takes damage, lowering her Aura levels, she powers up, although it appears to be an explicit binary thing rather than gradual (in other words, exactly like a FFVII Limit Break). As she activated it when leaping at Adam, it's reasonable to guess she was already at lowish levels of Aura. Couple that with Adam being kinda stupidly strong, and he hit hard enough to deplete Yang's remaining Aura and cut off her arm in the same stroke.

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#39071: Sep 18th 2016 at 4:40:46 PM

[up]Is hard to said that as we never see combat before facing Adam, there is moments when Yang actived her semblence by sheer rage, so I dont think damage her is what it need, is more a emocional stage

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#39072: Sep 18th 2016 at 6:12:04 PM

I think that's more because the situations in which she's taken a huge beating and those where she's hella pissed tend to overlap.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#39073: Sep 18th 2016 at 6:42:28 PM

Having a full Aura means they can get steamrolled by a tank and get up with comedy stars buzzing about their head. Having no Aura means they get stabbed like real people get stabbed, they die like real people die.

This, so very much. I've seen aura cited in this thread as a reason for a whole lot of stuff, but everyone suddenly forgets about it in this case? Yang survived getting sent into orbit because of her aura (and anime comedy physics). She's survived everything else she's ever survived because of her aura. Adam brute forced his way through her aura, leaving her defenseless. At that point her arm comes off like anybody else's.

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#39074: Sep 18th 2016 at 6:54:21 PM

I don't find it strange that Yang's arm just got cut off like that. Again, I just find it rather weird that she got her arm cut off during her charge and became already unconscious before she hit the ground. Now, if it was about a minute or two later, I wouldn't find it weird at all because it's completely plausible that she passed out from blood loss or something.

Also, wouldn't it have been more shocking if after getting hit with the Moonslice, Yang tries to attack Adam again...only to see her arm lying on the ground and get shocked when she realized that she got literally disarmed?

edited 18th Sep '16 6:57:48 PM by dRoy

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#39075: Sep 18th 2016 at 6:58:49 PM

Aura break seems to have some impact on the recipient, judging by our sample.

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