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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#38776: Sep 12th 2016 at 12:24:22 PM

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Because you keep saying that you don't think of Adam's behaviour as abusive. It is. There's no avoiding that.

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#38777: Sep 12th 2016 at 12:24:54 PM

Even off the job, I'd still expect him to be a self-centered, amoral swindler. As previously noted, you don't leave your character flaws at the door when you clock out. So, like, if we went out drinking, I'd expect him to slip out when I wasn't looking and to suddenly discover that he's been telling the bartender to put his drinks on my tab. And then when I confronted him about it the next day, he'd try to convince me to be cool about it, he was just having some fun, it's no big deal. And goddammit, he'd succeed because he's so f*cking charming.

edited 12th Sep '16 12:25:41 PM by TobiasDrake

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#38778: Sep 12th 2016 at 12:26:47 PM

A good hatable chararter is Mercury, the guy have a sympatic backstory, him rising out and killing his abuser father, but so far people enjoy being because how much of a dick he is, is rutheless sportmind actitud with Yang and him being annoying to Emerald.

In short his motivaton is "I here to take bitches and kicking idiot, and I dont see any bitch here" he is the douchelord, and people just like him for it.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#38779: Sep 12th 2016 at 12:27:49 PM

[up][up]Oh yeah, totally. He'd be The Friend Nobody Likes for sure, but goddamn: He'd be helpful with certain stuff [lol]

edited 12th Sep '16 12:27:58 PM by BlackSunNocturne

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#38780: Sep 12th 2016 at 12:31:27 PM

Hey. We don't joke about Mercury. Blake, Torchwick, and Pyrrha are the acceptable targets. Mercury is just plain BAMF in pretty much every scene he's in. And pretty much one of two male Kick Chick's in existence. The only other one I've seen was from Xin Session.

He might be an evil douche, but he's a cool evil douche whose resume includes disarming Pyrrha and nearly killing the Avatar. Twice.

edited 12th Sep '16 12:42:05 PM by Soble

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#38781: Sep 12th 2016 at 12:34:18 PM

And the only other male Kick Chick I've seen was a character from Xin Session.
Take a look at Capoeira: While it has some punches, most of those are for Combat Pragmatist purposes, it's a mainly kick-based fighting style.

And it is brutal.

edited 12th Sep '16 12:37:15 PM by BlackSunNocturne

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#38782: Sep 12th 2016 at 12:37:23 PM

Well there is Eddy Gordo from Tekken, and that one Capoeria martial arts film (the name of which escapes me) from the 90's. Still, it's a pretty rare fighting style far as I've seen. I mean how many male characters... how many characters in fiction have we ever seen use capoeria?

edited 12th Sep '16 12:39:09 PM by Soble

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#38783: Sep 12th 2016 at 12:38:55 PM

A this point I think we need a diferent trope for brutal style since combat pragmatist dosent quite cut.

But yeah, Roman is the chararter who will sweet talk to you and damn said he have a great buissness plan that will make you rich, before you know it you are pilot a mech and fighting against hunter asking how the fuck you end there.

Mercury just come, he will kick you in estomach, still a candy for a child and walk away...and look goodcool

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#38784: Sep 12th 2016 at 12:39:35 PM

and nearly killing the Avatar.

Mercury is Azula? O_o

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#38785: Sep 12th 2016 at 12:45:33 PM

A this point I think we need a diferent trope for brutal style since combat pragmatist dosent quite cut.

Err it's not so much that Capoeira is brutal because of the Combat Pragmatist nature of the martial art, but that quite a few of the Combat Pragmatist actions in Capoeira are brutal as hell. Examples:

  • Combat Pragmatist: Capoeiristas outside the roda or other sanctioned fights can easily become this with techniques like telefone ("telephone"), in which you clap your hands on either of the opponent's ears to disorient them and potentially permanently ruin their hearing, or arpão de cabeça ("head spear"), in which you throw your whole body into a headbutt aimed at the enemy's head, chest, or groin. When in the roda never accept if the other person offers you a "blessing". Just to elaborate, the Blessing (or, in Portuguese, "benção") is an unbalancing pushing kick that is one of the most basic (and effective) moves in capoeira.
  • Deadly Graduation: Downplayed (but not very much). During the Regional graduation ceremonies, newly graduated students were awarded with a medal pinned on their shirt and were obligued to play a tira-medalha, a roda in which they fought more experimented players who would try to rip off their medals. In this game everything would be allowed, from hand strikes to throws, and if the veterans managed to rip off your medal, you would be degraded and returned to rookie state, which is considered something shameful.
  • Trying To Catch Me Fighting Dirty: Traditionalist masters not only allow, but even endorse breaking the rules a bit when playing, which comes from the value of malicia.

... yeah.

Well there is Eddy Gordo from Tekken, and that one Capoeria martial arts film (the name of which escapes me) from the 90's. Still, it's a pretty rare fighting style far as I've seen. I mean how many male characters... how many characters in fiction have we ever seen use capoeria?
I counted the entries on the page for Capoeira: I counted at least 27 entries with male characters practicing Capoeira, including Mercury.

edited 12th Sep '16 12:47:08 PM by BlackSunNocturne

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#38786: Sep 12th 2016 at 12:55:35 PM

I thought Mercury's fighting style was based on Tae Kwon Do.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#38787: Sep 12th 2016 at 1:05:12 PM

Not with that Dance Battler style it's not.

Mercury's style might take some cues from Tae Kwon Do, but his form is much more based on Capoeira.

edited 12th Sep '16 1:05:27 PM by BlackSunNocturne

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#38788: Sep 12th 2016 at 1:21:45 PM

In-universe why would RWBY have fighting styles that draw any inspiration from our real-life ones when they only people fighting are going to be superhumans? You'd expect most moves wouldn't work with both combatants are fully capable of launching each other 50 feet through the air.

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#38789: Sep 12th 2016 at 1:27:49 PM

" if the veterans managed to rip off your medal, you would be degraded and returned to rookie state, which is considered something shameful."

suddenly I have the imagine of marcus, doing that to mercury, just instead of his medal ARE HIS LEGS!

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#38790: Sep 12th 2016 at 1:53:41 PM

Hey, when does Volume 4 start again?

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#38791: Sep 12th 2016 at 1:55:59 PM

Date is undetermined...

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#38792: Sep 12th 2016 at 1:59:20 PM

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#38793: Sep 12th 2016 at 5:18:46 PM

Mercury and Roman are definitely the kind of villains you enjoy more seeing on screen than the main characters.

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#38794: Sep 12th 2016 at 5:25:34 PM

Wouldn't you rather enjoy seeing both on-screen...at the same time...with good back n' forth banter?

That's the quality of something great.

edited 12th Sep '16 5:26:15 PM by randomness4

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#38795: Sep 12th 2016 at 5:52:59 PM

Free-for-all question:

Who says Cinder's group (including Adam) is evil, why or why not?

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#38796: Sep 12th 2016 at 6:00:06 PM

[up]Murder, terrorism, seeking to rip down society and oh yeah working with the Grimm means they're evil.

There's no way that this series is going to pull a "Bad guys are actually the good guys" when they're doing that.

edited 12th Sep '16 6:00:27 PM by BlackSunNocturne

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#38797: Sep 12th 2016 at 6:05:39 PM

I suppose a fairer question might've been "where do you think the show will go with them, absolutely evil, redemption, somewhere in the middle? Predictions?"

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#38798: Sep 12th 2016 at 6:09:23 PM

At this point, Cinder herself I doubt will be redeemable, probably not Adamnote . I could see Mercury and Emerald maybe getting a redemption (iirc, didn't Miles/Kerry/Monty make a few comments that there's more to Mercury than it seems?). Neo is completely unknown: It can go wherever with her

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#38799: Sep 12th 2016 at 6:13:26 PM

Cinder gets a tragic backstory, Merc and Emerald may or may not get a face turn with equal probability of a slam in the face, Adam will get no such kindness from the writers.

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#38800: Sep 12th 2016 at 6:13:31 PM

I can see it happening with Emerald, given her reaction to what they did to Beacon.

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