Basically, short version, I have no doubt that Adam loves Blake to the full extent that he is capable. But it is a selfish love and she was right to run away from it.
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Side note: The color naming rule also gave me some fun because I had an OC Team where one member is using a false identity (I eventually gave up on the original name and just went with a regular name beginning with N), and also had a character who replaces one after the former gets severely injured and finding two names that both begin with M was fun.
Also: I just realized that Clayton Carmine fits the color naming rule completely
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edited 12th Sep '16 11:33:31 AM by BlackSunNocturne
I tried seeing if the name James had any connection to color whatsoever...all I got was a place with that name, it was a Hair Salon.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Dang, actually it just hit me. Okay, ready for this?
Frank is short for "frankfurter." A German sausage typically made of beef or pork. In the US of A sometimes we just call hotdogs "franks" so we can pretend we're cultured. What color are hotdogs/sausage typically? Red and brown.
As for fractals? Well look
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His Semblance is the ability to conjure hotdogs like a 3D printer and control them telekinetically.
edited 12th Sep '16 11:44:10 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!Welcome to the club. I've been on both sides of the relationship. It's a deep hole to try and climb out of.
I think it's worth pointing out to the thread at large that there's more than one kind of abusive personality too, and that in Adam's case his abuse of Blake and his terrorism are intrinsically linked. Adam's an ideologue who thinks all humans deserve to die, and who tolerates no deviation from this mindset among his followers. This means that Blake too must subscribe to his brand of ideological purity, and if she deviates from it, he'll "correct" her. In his mind, her leaving the White Fang is both a personal and an ideological betrayal, and she has not only walked out on him, but on her race—a thought process that makes it even easier for him to justify the torment he's visiting on her.
Adam is a terrorist and revolutionary before he's an abuser, not the other way round. His abuse of Blake stems directly from his ideology. He's not a man with two different terrible traits—what he does to society and what he does to Blake come from the exact same place.
Ok, this thread move fast, so let me catch up
About Adam:
" I never got the impression their relationship was ever even supposed to be one-sidedly romantic until then.!"
Yeah, it wasnt even close to something like that
"heck what were people thinking the relationship would be? "
Mentor, best closed friend? I mean "ex abusive boyfriend who is butthurt because Blake wants blones" is not really what I expect
"It kind of diminishes the character. "
Yeah, in fact I was fearin Yang was going to beat the shit of him because the narrative was getting reaaaaally close to "you hurt by bae, now DIE!"...but them he just said "fuck that" and give Yang the skywalker treatment, praise the edgelord
"I find it sort of interesting that all of us—including me, don't get me wrong—are more willing to forgive a man for terrorism than we are for domestic abuse"
Abstract evil rather than personal evil, white fang are generic mook and Adam have this "freedom fighter turn terrorist" but he hurt a chararter, specially a women it become diferent.
Or in short, there is a reason Umbrige is waaaay more hated than voldermort who is magic hitler, now Adam will be hated not for bieng a teorrist but for hurting Blake and Yang.
"They didn't suddenly make him abusive. We'd literally never met him before. "
He have 3 aparince of Adam, and only the last gone give the impresion he was abusive, hell the second one(Cinder flashback) was him refusing Cinder was bully into it, one aparience latter, he become a generic abuser.
"we don't normally write them that way, but that doesn't mean they can't be complex characters."
because is audience turn off, there are certain trait that make the audience hate the chararter right from the star, including making a chararter a pediphile, and abuser or a racist, whatever complexity the chararter have it will be remenber for that fact.
Granted I think is a fallacy and many intersting chararter are stright asshole(Roshnarch from watchmen, Snape from harry potter and LF from game of thrones come to mind)
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Voldemort does not have redeeming qualities. He got voted up on the CM list for a reason.
Adam's mindset is incredibly common among members of ideologically motivated groups. As the group radicalizes, any deviation from the orthodoxy (read as: opinions of the leadership) becomes heresy, and those who hold said heretical opinions are punished. Eventually this leads to an exodus from the group, which only further radicalizes those left behind. Those who make their getaway are denounced as traitors to the in-group and/or the leadership, and the hostility towards them is used to further bind the remainder of the in-group together. This holds true regardless of whether the in-group in question is a street gang, terrorist organization, or religious cult.
Adam didn't suddenly become abusive. Blake woke up and realized she no longer agreed with how the group was operating, a move that put her in Adam's crosshairs as a heretic and traitor.
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Maybe but people hate her because she engage in personal evil, Voldermort being magic hitler is too abstract and nobody really care that much, him doing evil stuff is part on buisness, but Umbrige engage in personal evilness, she is not murder, or a super sadic....she is unpleanse, REALLY unpleasen
So what I see in many tropes here, is that Adam being abuser TAKE away the posibility of deph, since it transform him into a hate sink so the hero can feel good beaten him, whatever diference Blake and Adam have, it looks more like nasty break up
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"All relationships, once they fall apart, look like a nasty breakup. That's one of the primary reasons you can find so called sexual subtext everywhere—because to people who only have opposite sex break ups as a reference point, the collapse of friendships, mentorships, working partnerships, etc, all look like break ups.
edited 12th Sep '16 12:07:08 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
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Basically, Voldemort is a madman with a perverse sense of morals and some backstory to simply explain how he got there.
Umbridge is just someone whose every actions makes you say "Woooooooooow, fuck you."
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It's like 40K's Marines Malevolent. Universe of grey and black, but the dudes that quite personally show arrogance, callousness and disdain to others they consider beneath them (basically everyone else) are the ones no one likes at all.
edited 12th Sep '16 12:06:16 PM by VutherA
You know what? I would say that Adam is just a stupid edgelord and you people would find a way to say he is abusive through and through. Mind you, I am getting tired of "Adam is an edgelord" jokes (mainly due of Reaper). And throughout this I am not trying to give him a Draco in Leather Pants treatment. Shows me from trying to look things in a different light.
edited 12th Sep '16 12:07:10 PM by TPPR10
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The Marines Malevolent were literally created by Black Library to have a group of "Asshole Space Marines" that other Marine chapters could call out their shit (Salamanders and Space wolves mostly), so they're a special casenote . If you want an example of a chapter of dicks that wasn't specifically made to be a Hate Sink: See the Minotaurs, Red Scorpions and/or possibly the Black Templars.
... no one's been disagreeing with you. Also: I've been tired of the "Adam the edgelord" jokes when they first started being made.
edited 12th Sep '16 12:13:11 PM by BlackSunNocturne
That was, actually, a lot simpler than the wall of text I was going to throw in.
edited 12th Sep '16 12:10:03 PM by Soble
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Oh but, aren't the two (that is, Umbridge and MM) both designed as a Hate Sink?
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... ooooh, yeah.
I thought you were comparing the Marines Malevolent to something else, and not Umbridge. My bad
Probably because people get overzealous when it comes to domestic abusers? I mean, it's also likely because Miles and Kerry were ambiguous when they said Adam was abusive to Blake. We don't know how he was abusive to her, so everyone's got different conclusions in different levels of severity.
edited 12th Sep '16 12:15:48 PM by BlackSunNocturne
Big V does not have redeemable qualities. He has likable qualities. This is an important point of distinction when discussing characters: there is a firm difference between liking someone as a person and liking them as a character. That's where "Love-to-Hate" characters come from, of which Roman Torchwick was a great example. Awful person, would never want to have a few drinks with him, but being solidly entertaining and fun to watch made him likable within the capacity of his role as a villain.
Your primary villain should always be someone that the audience likes as a character, because they're going to be here for the duration of the story. The audience should hate them, but they should enjoy hating them. If they're the kind of character that the audience just wants to see die in a fire immediately so they can get their shitty ass out of this story, it's not going to be a very fun trip.
But making the audience revile a character can have its uses with minor villains like Umbridge. A character that the audience just f*cking despises allows you to do more with less, creating a character who's heinousness falls far short of the real villain but who still gets the audience just as invested if not moreso in inevitably seeing this character torn down - which should happen in a much quicker timeframe than the main baddie, because there's only so long the audience will tolerate their presence.
So far, RWBY doesn't really have any "Hate-to-Hate" characters. The closest is Cinder, but she's been criticized for being boring, not awful.
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"Other forces in the Warhammer 40k universe may be EEEEEEVIL!!! on some sort of grand cosmic scale of grimdark, but very few are just nasty, petty, and cruel in an all-too human way. That's not grimdark, that's just... unpleasant. "
About edgelord joke: I did because I was surprise Adam just maim yang, when you have a chararter who is a racist or abuser the narrative go out his way to kick them for it and become something of a butt monkey and scene look just set for that: Adam show, give his absuer monologe and Yang show up ready to beat the shit of them, a little more and it sound like Yangx Blake fic.
But it didnt happen, Adam just put there and cut Yang arm with one hit, and acording to world of god, he didnt even used his semblence....I mean yes he is a dick but holy shit, that is impresive and crowing moment of awsome.
Granted I have stop using those joke until he see him again, I hope he does more badass stuff.
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Honestly: I feel that Torchwick would be not that bad of a guy when he's not "on the job" as it were. Still a dick, but not like some impossibly terrible person.
... Though this may be because he reminds me of a combination of two of my friendsnote and one of my uncles. So I might have some bias there
edited 12th Sep '16 12:23:03 PM by BlackSunNocturne

On the "why do people look at domestic abusers as worse than terrorists" probably because the other is more personal. If you are married to someone, or their sibling, or child, that implies some closeness and trust in a relationship that should be treated with respect and protected.
Killing people you don't know is obviously terrible, but doesn't have the instinctive response of "don't hurt family".
I don't logically think one is better than the other, but I have the visceral response too.
It reminds me about a serious talk from a manga about whether this serial killer/maimer was just as bad or maybe even better than this guy who abused his wife and children.