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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#38551: Sep 7th 2016 at 2:57:22 PM

I'd definitely call Ruby's eyes a Deus ex Machina. The situation was absolutely dire, and it ended the conflict at the time.

No, it didn't solve all of the problems. But it ceased Cinder's current takeover, stopped the Dragon which appeared invincible at the time, and was used as a means to finish the situation cleanly and simply.

but it isn't a bad thing! it still introduced a new element into the plot, and had a Checkovs Gun (even if it was basically only noticeable in hindsight)

As for the Dragon, I interpreted it as the Dragon being frozen in time- not in ice.

edited 7th Sep '16 2:57:55 PM by EpicBleye

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#38552: Sep 7th 2016 at 3:23:26 PM

Glynda—one of the most no-nonsense people in-show—defends Qrow from Ironwood by saying he's always drunk. What Qrow "would normally do" and what Qrow will do while drunk are arguably synonymous.

Glynda wasn't defending Qrow from Ironwood, she was responding to Winter. Winter was complaining that Qrow was drunk, and Glynda snapped at her that Qrow is always drunk. My interpretation of the scene is that Glynda was telling Winter off; she was saying that Qrow's drunk trolling is typical behaviour and Winter should know better than to give him the satisfaction of rising to the bait.

There's a part of me that almost hopes that when it's revealed how Ruby's ability works, that it will be neither ice nor a timestop. Just so that we can all be left surprised.

I hope so, but I can't help feeling it's time-based.

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#38554: Sep 7th 2016 at 4:06:59 PM

It could be anything.

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WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#38555: Sep 7th 2016 at 4:14:40 PM

Well, we know the passive ability of the dragon is still in effect: it's drawing hordes of Grimm to Beacon. Someone is going to have to go in and kill it if they want to reclaim Beacon for any reason. Like to operate some fancy gizmo of Ozpin's.

edited 7th Sep '16 4:15:48 PM by WillDeRegio

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38556: Sep 7th 2016 at 4:35:30 PM

No need to kill, they just have to break apart of it...and the body'll disappear.

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#38557: Sep 7th 2016 at 5:22:41 PM

I think it would be interesting if Ruby's freeze thing was ice to contrast with Cinder's fire. But it kinda sounded like "frozen" meant "frozen in time" like many have suggested, and that's what I though when I first heard it. Who knows. I guess we'll have to wait until October to see.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#38558: Sep 7th 2016 at 5:36:28 PM

But she's all rose themed.

Winter = ice, frost, death.

Roses and frost don't mix, Bette Midler withstanding. Ruby and Winter, case in point, probably won't get along at all, just as Qrow and Winter don't get along.

Associative property, all up in this.

edited 7th Sep '16 5:37:42 PM by Soble

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38559: Sep 7th 2016 at 5:44:28 PM

Her color scheme would also contrast with the ice thing...

Ice isn't even the fire's opposite, it's on the other side of the spectrum yeah...but one space to the left.

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#38560: Sep 7th 2016 at 5:51:15 PM

If we get really scientific, fire and ice isn't even opposite. They are entirely different things, with fire being chemical reaction and ice being a form of a chemical compound. tongue

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#38561: Sep 7th 2016 at 5:59:56 PM

Well, you have that frozen - sorta - Rose in Beauty And The Beast, though if I recall that's already Blake's area of expertise.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#38562: Sep 7th 2016 at 6:16:48 PM

On the other hand something about Ruby better contrast with Cinder.

Because so far Ruby's motivation is "she killed my friend, now I have to kill her?" Sure Cinder plotted the entire catastrophe, but Ruby doesn't know that, and we didn't see if Qrow actually filled her in on what actually happened in Vale - assuming he even knew.

And considering Cinder's terrific disguising skills it's doubtful Ruby would be able to find her/track her/identify her easily. They keep pitting Ruby against Cinder in the intros and they've barely had a conversation since Cinder was introduced.

edited 7th Sep '16 6:18:54 PM by Soble

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38563: Sep 7th 2016 at 6:19:54 PM

Perhaps this is a sign...a sign that the Flame lady isn't the real villainess.

Contrasting with the protag is optional checklist option #1.

edited 7th Sep '16 6:20:28 PM by randomness4

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#38564: Sep 7th 2016 at 6:27:46 PM

Do they have to necessarily contrast? As far as Ruby knows, Cinder is just a bad guy. You stop bad guys.

Plus, for all of various theories, there really isn't any other lead than Cinder and Salem so far.

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#38565: Sep 7th 2016 at 6:29:19 PM

I said it was optional...it is.

Sometimes they contrast, sometimes they're similar, or they don't relate in either way.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#38566: Sep 7th 2016 at 6:38:04 PM

Do they have to necessarily contrast? As far as Ruby knows, Cinder is just a bad guy. You stop bad guys.

They kind of do... otherwise there's no real connection/conflict between the main protagonist and the antagonist. I mean look at other famous conflicts:

Superman vs Lex Luthor, brain vs brawn.

Batman vs Joker, a stoic crusader vs a chaotic killer.

Sherlock vs Moriarty, similar intelligence but one with a passion for crime and one for solving crimes.

Ryuko Matoi vs Satsuki Kiryuin, a hotblooded teenage girl living in the slums who wears her heart on her sleeves vs a disciplined sword-wielding narcissist who isn't quite what she seems.

Light Yagami and L.

Ichigo and Aizen.

etc. They don't have to be blatant Red And Blue Oni but so far Ruby and Cinder have had little to do with each other. We did have that scene where they look into each others' eyes and now Ruby's eyes have a specific power - so I guess we'll see what comes of that.

And obviously their personalities are rather different. What little we see of Cinder's.

wild mass guess Salem is Cinder's very much alive and breathing superpowered mother.

edited 7th Sep '16 6:40:48 PM by Soble

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#38567: Sep 7th 2016 at 6:54:55 PM

Cinder and Ruby are at least contrasting in terms of ideals: Cinder seems very cynical about the world, and wishes to apparently tear down all appearances of peace, while Ruby is idealistic and hopeful, and wishes to maintain that piece. Another thought: Cinder and Ruby have (somewhat) similar color schemes. This could indicate that Cinder was once like Ruby, and that Ruby has the potential to go the direction Cinder does. It's a little bit of a stretch maybe, but an interesting idea.

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#38568: Sep 7th 2016 at 6:57:09 PM

Pyrrha did win her fight in the final, so there's—

Actually, Pyrrha was never declared the winner due to Cinder hijacking the fight at the end. And she "killed" Penny, which probably disqualifies her from winning anyway.

Actually, that makes me wonder if Penny's status as a person would invalidate her team's victories or not if she had been found out beforehand.

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#38569: Sep 7th 2016 at 7:26:35 PM

Well Penny sure as fuck didn't win that one

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#38570: Sep 7th 2016 at 7:31:08 PM

Of course not...she's dead.

But Amazon didn't win, she killed a innocent robot.

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#38571: Sep 7th 2016 at 8:04:09 PM

I doubt Pyrrha would have been disqualified for destroying Penny specifically because Penny's a robot. What Measure Is a Non-Human? (I think I'm using that correctly?) and all that.

edited 7th Sep '16 8:05:36 PM by Karxrida

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#38572: Sep 7th 2016 at 8:13:41 PM

It's more of a personal loss...

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#38573: Sep 7th 2016 at 8:26:16 PM

There's plenty of contrast between Cinder and Ruby actually.

Ruby and Cinder both have red motifs, but Ruby's is crossed with silver while Cinder's is crossed with gold. Ruby's younger than the other Beacon students, but got in anyway because she impressed Ozpin with her potential. Cinder's older than the other beacon students but got in anyway because she infiltrated it.

Both have little interest in regular day to day life, and value fighting above all else to the point that both snuck out of the dance and viewed it as a waste of time. Both have very strong feelings towards the hunter system, Ruby positive and Cinder negative.

Both are reliant on their comrades initially (Cinder's plan never would have worked without Emerald and everyone's abilities were needed to help her take out that Nevermore) but while Ruby befriends them, Cinder manipulates or threatens them into joining her.

Both have unnatural legendary power but Ruby inherited her's naturally from her mother and it needs to be unlocked and developed, while Cinder stole her maiden power from someone else and was given total control and maximum power immediately.

Both are the most powerful piece on the chess players board at the moment, and Ruby appears to have been steered towards this path by Ozpin . Cinder presumably was the same by Salem.

Both had a decoy and fall guy placed to distract everyone from them being the real threat, Pyrrha for Ruby and Torchwhick for Cinder, both died at the end of Vol 3 and while Ruby mourned Pyrrha Cinder could likely care less about Torchwhick.

And I feel like their situations could have been reversed if things were different. If Yang never developed her motherly protection complex thanks to the wagon thing, or instead went alone and Raven showed up instead of Qrow and took her away to be a loner like her, and Taiyang never recovered as a result, Ruby would have grown up lonely and unloved, full of hate towards Ozpin and his hunters for ruining her family, and would have fit right in with Cinder's crew that hate the world because they got screwed by it.

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#38574: Sep 7th 2016 at 8:44:15 PM

@Epic Bleye regarding the Deus ex Machina

I would actually agree if I felt they hadn't gone to that well so many times up until that point. I just know 9 times out of 10, I wouldn't make that decision because I feel it robs the viewers and just doesn't make for the best product as a whole in comparison to if they hadn't done it.

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#38575: Sep 7th 2016 at 9:51:23 PM

Actually, Pyrrha was never declared the winner due to Cinder hijacking the fight at the end. And she "killed" Penny, which probably disqualifies her from winning anyway.

Well, I mean, Yang also broke Mercury's leg in a "totally unprovoked attack" after the match was over. And unlike Pyrrha, she had armed soldiers in her face demanding she stand down.

So what are they going to do? Disqualify them both and declare that no one wins? And then not hold a final round just because of little things like both of the final contestants being violent rule-breakers? And also the town it's being held in being wiped out by Grimm? And CCT being down so no one can see it anyway? Plus one contestant being dead and the other dismembered?

That's quitter talk! Yang's arm v. Pyrrha's ashes is the only sensible thing to do!

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