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Antiteilchen In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good. Since: Sep, 2013
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#38451: Sep 5th 2016 at 12:10:20 PM

Judging from the crowd it's not that common. And both at the same time is even less common. And both having the same fighting style even less common than that.

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#38452: Sep 5th 2016 at 12:12:11 PM

Yeah I have to say that's reaching, he saw them for less than ten seconds mostly from behind and his attention would have been focused on Amber. We do see things for his perspective and Cinder's face is blurred out. People in the real world would not be able to make a positive ID with that.

Saying that he couldn't ID them because he was drunk is a massive leap, it sounds more like you're getting your own bias cloud your judgement.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#38453: Sep 5th 2016 at 12:23:33 PM

[up][up]The crowds that had Ruby and Weiss in them about five times? [lol]

[down]The crowds re-use models, yes. In the scenes where Ozpin is talking and it shows all the students, Haven and Atlas have Ruby and Weiss look-alikes in them

edited 5th Sep '16 12:29:56 PM by BlackSunNocturne

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#38454: Sep 5th 2016 at 12:26:32 PM

For real?

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#38455: Sep 5th 2016 at 12:27:39 PM

The issue is that nobody make a detective job or something so it just happen.

You see, in this type of plot something else BEHIND the tournament happen because otherwise is pretty boring as tourmanent are too much structure to let a plot flow, think is nobody know about cinder until that happen, I think that create the ilusion she is villian sue

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#38456: Sep 5th 2016 at 3:14:22 PM

Saying that he couldn't ID them because he was drunk is a massive leap, it sounds more like you're getting your own bias cloud your judgement.

He was drunk. We know that for a fact. His reeking of alcohol figures largely in Mercury's description of him for a reason.

Whether you want to give his alcoholism the blame for them getting away and him being unable to ID them is another thing, but he was drunk.

I'd also like to note that when people say his being drunk doesn't impede his performance of his job, that's almost certainly untrue. There's no job in the world that you do better drunk than sober. Qrow may be so good that even drunk he's better than almost anyone else, but that's not the same as saying he'd wouldn't be more effective sober.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#38458: Sep 5th 2016 at 3:47:29 PM

[up][up]He had also just come from a bar. You can smell like booze enough that someone else can notice it just by being in a bar for a long enough time. Trust me, working as a busser I used to come home reeking of margaritas, cocktails and beer.

I'm not saying Qrow wasn't drinking, I'm just saying, sitting in a bar for a while (minimum two hours), you tend to start smelling like one.

Also: Drunken Master is a thing. Yes, we know you don't like the trope, but it's still a thing.

edited 5th Sep '16 3:51:47 PM by BlackSunNocturne

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#38459: Sep 5th 2016 at 3:50:53 PM

[up]If Qrow is in a bar, odds are, he's drinking. This is a man with near constantly slurred speech who carries a hip flask with him, and is described—by someone who is trying to defend him no less—as always being drunk.

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#38460: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:10:16 PM

[up]We did see him drinking so that's not for debate. The argument applies to the Amber fight like you're claiming and laying blame at his feet for. If he was drunk in that fight there us no way he could run in a perfectly straight line or strike with such accuracy.

We get it, you hate the Drunken Master trope. That's fine. That is how the show is rolling with Qrow, there is no proof that his drinking is what prevented him from getting an ID on team evil.

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#38461: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:18:15 PM

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I think there's a secret steampunk deity and Ozpin worships at its altar. Anyone with a cog is an initiate. He and Salem had a massive falling out over who had the more significant influence on steampunk - Paul Roland or Thomas Dolby. So, Ozpin's currently sticking with the folk and goth elements while Salem is riding the dark wave and hitting the occasional death metal bump. Before this show is over, we will see Ozpin go full-blown Dr. Strange while Salem will be willing to admit that while Demon in a Glass Case has a certain charm, she's found (Deaf)heaven, and gone full blackmetal.

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He actually drinks hot chocolate. He accidentally blew up Time's main slipstream and changed reality; now the moon is broken and everyone thinks he drinks coffee.

edited 5th Sep '16 4:29:01 PM by Wyldchyld

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#38462: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:33:10 PM

In addition to the music comments: Who Taught You How to Hate by Disturbed is very fitting for the tone RWBY was going for in the first three seasons. Specifically the Human/Faunus issues, Rousseau Was Right and all that.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#38463: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:34:42 PM

We get it, you hate the Drunken Master trope.

Damn straight I do. It's a trope that reduces a serious real life problem to a "quirky" character trait.

That is how the show is rolling with Qrow

Sorry. I'm not going to pretend that being perpetually drunk wouldn't impair his abilities. It by definition would impair his abilities. That's not really character bashing either despite what I'm sure some people are going to try and claim—it's a testament to how good he must to start with that he functions as well as he does impaired.

Fact is, we've seen it impair him too. The fight between he and Winter was the product of his alcohol induced bad decision making running into whatever is wrong with her.

If he was drunk in that fight there us no way he could run in a perfectly straight line or strike with such accuracy.

Qrow was able to fight Winter while sloshed so that argument pretty much falls apart. It's clear that he's capable of a great degree of functionality while drunk. I just refuse to accept the notion that he wouldn't be more competent if he stopped drinking. Because he by definition would be.

there is no proof that his drinking is what prevented him from getting an ID on team evil.

If Qrow was drunk during that fight—and everything we've seen from Qrow, coupled with Mercury's commentary would indicate he was—then he will have been impaired. We won't know by how much until we see him fight sober, obviously, but unless his Semblance is fueled by alcohol, he would have doubtless performed better sober.

Drunk, Qrow was able to throw a hitch into Cinder's plans. Sober I don't think it's really stretching to say he might been able to screw them up even more, whether by identifying Cinder and her team later, or by arriving early enough to stop the attack on Amber.

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#38464: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:39:21 PM

It's implied that Emerald is the reason Qrow isn't recognizing any of them. After Mercury's taken away from Yang's "unprovoked attack", Emerald comments to Cinder,

"Ow. One mind, I can handle, but TWO is a stretch."

Who are the two? One was Yang when she gave her the illusion, but the other...?

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#38465: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:42:31 PM

[up].. the paramedics looking at Mercury's leg?

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#38466: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:44:38 PM

It's the paramedics that gave her the headache..

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#38467: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:46:17 PM

Maybe Qrow's fighting-while-drunk style is a Self-Imposed Challenge.

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#38468: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:46:39 PM

Mmm, that could be, you're right.

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#38469: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:54:38 PM

I think it just doesn't bother him at all, much like several characters in other fiction that can get absolutely hammered and still have it not effect their coordination in any way.

Which is not realistic no, but RWBY is not remotely grounded in realism in any way whatsoever. Again if a character quirk is actually a problem in story, they'll say so, like how many characters are very reckless and fight happy, but it's only supposed to be an in story problem for Yang.

Qrow's problem is his attitude and unprofessionalism, and even then is only a problem to the more duty driven Atlesian's.

edited 5th Sep '16 4:55:42 PM by AJSthe2nd

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#38470: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:57:55 PM

Also Ambar, we actually don't know if alcohol impairs Qrow. Why?

Ruby mentioned Qrow training her, and if we assume that she also mimics his personality as well as fighting style, we've seen Ruby doing incredibly stupid and brash decisions, and we've also seen Yang doing them.

Which means that Qrow picking a fight with Winter was possibly not him being drunk and making a bad decision, but simply what he'd normally do, judging by his nieces, especially since Yang is genetically related to him. Shared Family Quirks and all that

[up]Actually, a lot of people in real life can get absolutely hammered and not be affected. Genetics and all that (Ozzy Osbourne is literally Immune to Drugs because of his genetics for example). Most people who are like that are also very big because larger folks metabolize alcohol more effectively, but Qrow could very easily simply metabolize alcohol effectively.

edited 5th Sep '16 5:04:06 PM by BlackSunNocturne

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#38471: Sep 5th 2016 at 8:18:33 PM

The fight between he and Winter was the product of his alcohol induced bad decision making running into whatever is wrong with her.

What if it was all intentional on his part?

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#38472: Sep 5th 2016 at 8:20:02 PM

Yeah, that didn't seem like something he regretted the following morning.

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#38473: Sep 5th 2016 at 8:40:02 PM

He was posted at Ironwood and wanted to knock him down a peg. Winter was just a proxy for that.

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#38474: Sep 5th 2016 at 8:54:06 PM

I don't think so. He also rudely demands that Winter be kicked out of the secret meeting. He seems to have a beef with Winter, specifically.

I get a vibe off them that their animosity is staged and they're working together on something in secret, but that's just a pet theory. As it stands, Qrow has a serious bone to pick with Winter and isn't picky about how he airs it.

Which might be because drunk people are not known for impressive impulse control.

edited 5th Sep '16 8:55:09 PM by TobiasDrake

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#38475: Sep 5th 2016 at 9:04:53 PM

Well, it was also a secret meeting. I mean, Qrow was rude about it only because he was blunt, and he's like that with his nieces too, so he's not specifically being a dick in that case.

Well, not any more than he normally is [lol]


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