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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#38326: Sep 3rd 2016 at 9:27:07 AM

[up][up][up]If she looks good for her age, don't comment on it.

edited 3rd Sep '16 9:27:19 AM by randomness4

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#38327: Sep 3rd 2016 at 9:27:47 AM

We already have Neo. Who is probably alive. Maybe.

Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#38328: Sep 3rd 2016 at 9:28:10 AM

edited 3rd Sep '16 9:32:16 AM by Soble

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#38329: Sep 3rd 2016 at 9:28:37 AM

[up][up]Really doubt she's dead.

edited 3rd Sep '16 9:29:17 AM by Cross

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#38330: Sep 3rd 2016 at 9:36:18 AM

Of course not, she just got forcefully Mary Poppins'd, thas all.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#38331: Sep 3rd 2016 at 9:38:03 AM

@Soble - Meh, I never found Lust sexy either.

That said, the lines themselves fit rather well. [lol]

By the way, this is my headcanon theme of Cinder:

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#38332: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:16:29 AM

I'm with Ambar. I'm too old to find animation teenagers attractive. It's probably why I prefer the adult characters anyway - although they're animations, so I don't like them in that way.

I haven't found the show to be anti-military. The world is unsettled by Atlas's decision to recruit from the huntsman academy, and put pressure on huntsman students to join the military. But that seems like a political issue rather than a military one, and it seems connected to the concept that was being described just beforehand - that huntsmen are supposed to be free agents, beholden to no governments.

So, that doesn't seem anti-military. There's obviously something political going on in Atlas that we're eventually going to learn more about. Also, Atlas has been indicated to have a specific history that may not necessarily be shared by the other existing kingdoms. My theory is that Mantle was the biggest loser of the war, hence its destruction, and Atlas - built out of the ashes of Mantle - has promised itself it will never be the 'victim' again - hence the heavy government control over the society and its strong militaristic outlook.

That's my head cannon about Atlas for now because the vibe I get is that Atlas is driven by fear of history, by fear of becoming another Mantle. So, it's not that 'military is bad', it's that 'these people have a history that makes them scared of the future, and we need to learn more about it'.

I never got the impression that Ozpin, Glynda and Qrow were anti-military. They had issues with the way Ironwood handles problems. That is an individual concern. Qrow might complain about Ironwood's heart, but when the chips are down he does make it absolutely clear what kind of person he really thinks Ironwood is (and it's not the kind of person who would betray Vale with a military coup). Ozpin and Glynda have also made it clear they think Ironwood has a very good heart.

So, even then, the issue is not with Ironwood's military background or the existence of his army. It his personal decisions that have been questioned, and that's strongly implied to be an issue of personal experience and comprehension of the threats in the world that they're trying to prepare for. Ironwood's own behaviour may be connected to whatever history he has that has left him half-cyborg. If anything, it's almost like Ironwood and Atlas share a past of rising out of ruin and the question is how they came to ruin in the first place and how they're ensuring they don't ever come to ruin ever again (Ironwood's comments to Yang suggest that Ironwood feels that his own situation is a failure on his past that continues to haunt him, which does make for interesting speculation about Mantle).

I don't know if Remnant is supposed to have an anti-military attitude, but that isn't what has been portrayed so far, not even in the WoR segments, so I don't currently see an anti-military. Indeed, what I see is that Cinder has had to create an anti-military sentiment (something that Ironwood's behaviour has made easier, but which is something that was likely to have happened at some stage given Salem's plans).

edited 3rd Sep '16 10:22:45 AM by Wyldchyld

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#38333: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:34:49 AM

Mkay, I'm up. I went to sleep about here, what did I miss?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#38334: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:35:46 AM

Anti-military use: 5 times

Military use: 11 times.

[up]How Ms. Flame lady is more creepy than sexy...or something.

edited 3rd Sep '16 10:36:50 AM by randomness4

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#38335: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:37:00 AM

[up] Can I be indifferent about military use?

Just Makima.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38336: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:38:39 AM

Yes ya can, no worry.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#38337: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:53:34 AM

Okay, I just got to the second page for catching up:

If her being voiced by Jessica Fricking Nigri wasn't already an indicator.
>Big-Breast Pride
Uhhh.... Sorry to burst that bubble 

Sorry to distract from the actual conversation, but I feel that needed to be pointed out. [lol]

@Wyldchyld: I agree with most of your points, but I'm not too sure on the whole thing of "Mantle was the biggest loser of the war, hence its destruction", because that personally brings to mind a lot of countries in real life that had that happened, and ended up causing terrible things.

That being said: I do think something Ironwood did was directly responsible for his cyborgization. And yeah, he's got issues with planning. He treats the military as a case of When All You Have Is a Hammer…/The All-Solving Hammer.

Ironwood's heart is in the right place (ironic considering he's the Tin Woodsman in the Wizard of Oz group) it's his head that's not.... which now that I think of it makes him the Scarecrow, not the Tin Woodsman.

[down]"brazilian dub". Yay! I'm not alone herenote  [lol]

edited 3rd Sep '16 10:57:47 AM by BlackSunNocturne

SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
The Mistress
#38338: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:55:00 AM

Ambar: Fair enough. That sort of thing happened with me a few times.

Lust: You know... I really need to watch the FMA English dubs when I get time, every time I hear a tape of them it fits so well.

Reminds me I need to look to see the brazillian dubs as well.

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#38339: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:58:14 AM

A maiden is a young, unmarried woman, and from the time period and its Germanic origins, it tends to imply a virgin. So why name them that?

Because it's a cool-sounding word that makes people think of femininity, youthfulness, and ancient times.

I feel that her power of persuasion relies less on her seductiveness, but her power.

Well, I suppose power can be considered seductive.

Pretty much this. Cinder is a powerful, confident, self-driven woman who knows exactly what she wants and will do whatever it takes to get it.

Sexiness is the result in two different ways. Within the universe, Cinder is sexy because powerful, confident, self-driven people are sexy. That's, like, the peak of attractiveness right there. Powerful, confident, ambitious, motivated...she embodies a lot of attractive traits. She doesn't go out of her way to be sexy or use sexiness as a motivator; she just IS sexy because she hits like every mark on the general "Attractive Person" checklist. We never actually have to see her seducing or using sexuality as a weapon to understand that she's meant to be sexy. It's simply a consequence of being who she is.

Out of universe, however, Cinder's sexiness is more directly communicated as an outstanding character trait. From camera angles to wardrobe choices, she's really meant to come off as deliberately seductive to the audience moreso than the characters. She's the Ms. Fanservice of evil, which isn't an uncommon narrative device as it uses cultural fear and distrust of sexually-powerful women to give the character an extra layer of scariness.

edited 3rd Sep '16 10:59:32 AM by TobiasDrake

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SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#38340: Sep 3rd 2016 at 11:05:28 AM

[up]You know, that reminds me.

I had a thought a while back if the reason why I find vamps and femme fatales attractive is less about their sexuality in itself and more the fact that they are confident in their sexuality.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38341: Sep 3rd 2016 at 11:07:23 AM

So it is just their personality that makes it work?

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#38342: Sep 3rd 2016 at 11:09:35 AM

In-universe, yes. Out of universe, it's also the way she's framed and caressed by the camera. She's not a character who actually uses sexuality in any way, but she's still presented to the audience like, "Look how sexy she is, she's so sexually powerful and confident, isn't that scary?"

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#38343: Sep 3rd 2016 at 11:09:54 AM

Uhhh.... Sorry to burst that bubble I remember a friend of mine being a follower of hers before she got super-duper famous, and he showed me that Jessica made comments about the fact that she had small boobs and wanted bigger ones, and if you look at her old pictures, she was barely a low C back then. Look at her now. Yeah
Technically Big-Breast Pride makes more sense for artificial breasts. At least she put in some effort to earn them instead of winning the genetic lottery. tongue

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#38344: Sep 3rd 2016 at 11:13:32 AM

True if this was like Fairy Tail Cinder and Ruby would have Double D breasts, a huge rear end, and most of the shots would show that off.

Just Makima.
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#38345: Sep 3rd 2016 at 11:14:39 AM

Technically Big-Breast Pride makes more sense for artificial breasts. At least she put in some effort to earn them instead of winning the genetic lottery. tongue
True [lol]

And yeah, Cinder's more of an out-of-universe Ms. Fanservice than an In-Universe one.

[up]Do you mean Fairy Tale as in the Manga? If so: that's because Fairy Tale is a Shoenen series and those tend to be big on Fanservice if their demographic is more towards the teenaged crowd (because Shoenen iirc is from ages 10-17)

edited 3rd Sep '16 11:16:02 AM by BlackSunNocturne

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#38346: Sep 3rd 2016 at 11:23:21 AM

Fairy Tail has a huge emphasis on its women breasts.

Often people wonder if Mishima really wants to make a hentai out of it evil grin

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#38347: Sep 3rd 2016 at 11:25:18 AM

I wouldn't say Ruby. Ruby's supposed to be an extra-young energetic ball of hyperactivity opposite Cinder's sexually-powerful self-assured confidence. Like, there's a reason Ruby's two years younger than the rest of the cast. She's presented with a childish innocence that serves as a counterpoint to Cinder's sinister sexiness and maturity.

In essence, she's the Virtuous Princess to Cinder's Evil Queen. Double-D boobs and gratuitous fanservice shots would undermine the cultural ideal of "innocent femininity" that Ruby's role embodies.

...then again, it's not like that ever stopped Japan, where Fairy Tale originates. <.<

edited 3rd Sep '16 11:27:30 AM by TobiasDrake

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#38348: Sep 3rd 2016 at 11:43:04 AM

This thread is cooking with gas lately.

d'Roy: Fair enough.

Black Sun Nocturne: Noooo!

Tobias: (about Cinder) Eloquently-put.

Saints Deltora: It's an okay dub, but the only anime I've been able to rewatch entirely in dub form was Panty & Stocking. I don't know if it's worth a complete rewatch though.

The only character's voices I particularly like were Kimblee, Ling, and Wrath.

edited 3rd Sep '16 12:01:27 PM by Soble

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#38349: Sep 3rd 2016 at 11:48:18 AM

Is there any other way to cook?

Really?

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#38350: Sep 3rd 2016 at 12:06:12 PM

You don't use your heat vision to cook food?

...curious how they've applied dust to everyday life. Since dust is the primary fossil fuel and only seems to be refined into a dust form, do we sprinkle some into a stove outlet and roast our food? Does it go into a little sippy cup and produce flame when triggered? Apparently sneezing on the stuff is enough to cause an explosion. Since it came from Weiss's family it's odd that an heiress would be carrying around such volatile material.

I guess they refine it into a more suitable form off-screen. Is it like gasoline where it needs to be refined from oil, do we just bring dust crystals to the table to reheat our food? Is there a small amount of red dust crystal powder inside every microwave? Or is melted down into a less volatile liquid state?

edited 3rd Sep '16 12:10:30 PM by Soble

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