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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#38201: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:29:04 PM

Oh? One of the first things we see this woman do is smack her sister—who she has not seen in a very long time—for not answering a question the way she wants her to. Better still, she does it in front of her sister's friend and team leader.

Nothing says non-abuser like a humiliating public assault.

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#38202: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:32:14 PM

[up] [up][up]Thing is.you're comparing year's of emotional abuse and physically beating the crap out of someone to a slap on the head for mild annonyance.

I mean,my mother occasionally hits me on shoulder to get my attention (I'm a spacey guy).Is she guilty of assault as well?

edited 2nd Sep '16 3:35:38 PM by DeanCole

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#38203: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:33:24 PM

This is also a series that thrives on anime and video game cliches to the point where they're the lifeblood of this series; I kind of just assume that their reality and values are different from our own, based on the whole "dealing with a monstrous threat that no one fully understands for decades if not centuries."

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#38204: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:38:17 PM

[up]That's nice. Did Ruby's dad greet her that way? Did Qrow, alcoholic mess that he is, greet her that way? Do any of the teachers treat their students that way? Thus far, no.

[up][up]Does your mother strike you in the face for not answering a question the way she wanted you to? Because if so, yeah, I'd have a problem with your mother.

In any case, your problem here is that you are assuming all abuse is as blatant as Adam. It's not. Abuse can take a myriad of forms. Someone very close to me is just coming to terms with having been abused for years by her family, though they never struck her.

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#38205: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:39:08 PM

" One might say the same thing about Gozaburo and Seto Kaiba. Does that somehow erase what they've done?"

Oh dear, SHE IS seto kaba? I can wait for "Did you summon three knight in one turn" "SCREW THE RULE I HAVE DUST!"

"without being Adam-kind of abusive."

Yeah, Winter give a brief smack for not telling her how she is doing in school, Adam outright slap Blake.

"I'm half-expecting there to be something going on between Qrow and Winter."

you are not the only want, there was a LOT of Beligran sexual tension there, more than one people here said they want to have angry-sexevil grin

But anyway, Qrow start the fight and push her to do so, it was Winter fault to take the bait but Qrow is also guilty(Just he dosent care)

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#38206: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:48:47 PM

Yeah, Winter give a brief smack for not telling her how she is doing in school, Adam outright slap Blake.

Again, this is the sort of excuse I see from abusers and their defenders all the time. You don't have to beat someone bloody in order to abuse them. Adam's presence does not make what Winter did okay, anymore than the existence of mass murdering dictators makes the actions of the average gangster okay.

Some parents flat out rape and torture their kids. Others "only" emotionally abuse and belittle them. Does the existence of the former make the latter okay? Of course not.

Yes, Adam's worse than Winter. Duh. I don't think anybody was arguing that. Doesn't matter. His actions don't suddenly make hers alright.

But anyway, Qrow start the fight and push her to do so, it was Winter fault to take the bait

Winter drew her sword, made the first threats, then attacked him. She started the fight.

EDIT: Going to put the definition of abuse in a quoteblock here.

Search Results Abuse is the improper usage or treatment of an entity, often to unfairly or improperly gain benefit. Abuse can come in many forms, such as: physical or verbal maltreatment, injury, assault, violation, rape, unjust practices; crimes, or other types of aggression.

What Winter did, assuming it's happened more than once, falls under the definition of abuse. And I think it's safe to say it has happened more than once, because a) it's her establishing moment, and b) Weiss acts like it's totally normal.

edited 2nd Sep '16 3:56:42 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#38207: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:56:07 PM

Does your mother strike you in the face for not answering a question the way she wanted you to? Because if so, yeah, I'd have a problem with your mother.
It was in downside the head,not in the face

In any case, your problem here is that you are assuming all abuse is as blatant as Adam. It's not. Abuse can take a myriad of forms. Someone very close to me is just coming to terms with having been abused for years by her family, though they never struck her.
Yes I'm aware that abuse takes many forms,however there isn't really proof to show that whats happening here.Harmless strikes doesnt equal abuse.

edited 2nd Sep '16 3:58:37 PM by DeanCole

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#38208: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:58:08 PM

I think Winter isn't abusive towards Weiss, she just is very strict with her, probably because she is in the military.

I mean she is not very nice, but she does care about her sister. If she was abusive then that tea scene would've never happened

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#38209: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:58:55 PM

Yes I'm aware that abuse takes many forms,however there isn't really proof to show that whats happening here.Harmless strikes doesnt equal abuse.

No such thing as a harmless strike. We hear the smack. Weiss acts afterwards like it is totally normal, which would indicate this has happened before.

Hitting someone because you don't like the answer they gave is not acceptable. Period.

I mean she is not very nice, but she does care about her sister. If she was abusive then that tea scene would've never happened

That's not how abuse works. Lot's of abusers care about their victims.

My friend I mentioned before? She recently cut off contact with her abusive sister. Said sister, who professes to love her very much, is horrified by this and keeps begging for another chance. Doesn't somehow make the abuse less real.

edited 2nd Sep '16 4:01:06 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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#38210: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:02:01 PM

[up]that dosent make an her absuer, just a hardass and hell after that she ask about how well she is in school and give her advice.

I mean yes, that was bad but no "abuser level" of bad

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#38211: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:04:08 PM

But if Weiss was really abused in some way by her sister, there would definitely be some hints about it.

Weiss clearly has a problem with his father tho

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#38212: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:05:25 PM

But if Weiss was really abused in some way by her sister, there would definitely be some hints about it.

Her sister struck her in the face in front of her friend and team leader and Weiss acted like it was totally normal. That's pretty much the definition of "a hint".

I mean yes, that was bad but no "abuser level" of bad

"Abuser" is not some special level of bad. Abuse is a thing, not a statement of quality.

edited 2nd Sep '16 4:06:14 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#38213: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:14:14 PM

". That's pretty much the definition of "a hint"."

No, because she was mad because Weiss avoid telling her how she was, that was the first sign Winter actually care of her sister.

""Abuser" is not some special level of bad"

IT IS, at least in fiction, one you make a chararter and Abuser is like make it a racist or something similar, is sure way to said "Yeah he is bad guy" just look Carding, who is just a Bully.

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#38214: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:18:52 PM

[up][up]Here's hoping that Winter become's less of an "abuser".

Or a better character in your eye balls.

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DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#38215: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:23:42 PM

No such thing as a harmless strike. We hear the smack. Weiss acts afterwards like it is totally normal, which would indicate this has happened before.....
That's a pretty hardline position that leaves out context.

There's a difference between hiting someone to got their attention, slaying them upside the head as a wake up call (Winter) and hiting someone to berate or break them down. (Abuser).

Otherwise you'ed have to lockup everyone who greets their friend with a punch on the shoulder

edited 2nd Sep '16 4:29:52 PM by DeanCole

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#38216: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:34:04 PM

To everyone defending Winter—who happens to be pretty and female—I've got to wonder: if it were Mr. Schnee hitting her, would you be as quick to jump to his defense?

No, because she was mad because Weiss avoid telling her how she was, that was the first sign Winter actually care of her sister.

"S/he just hits you because they care." Heard that one before. You don't strike someone because you want them to change the subject. You strike them because your "right" to have the subject changed trumps their right not to get smacked in the face. And that's classic abuse.

IT IS, at least in fiction, one you make a chararter and Abuser is like make it a racist or something similar, is sure way to said "Yeah he is bad guy" just look Carding, who is just a Bully.

That has got to be the worst defense of bad behaviour I have ever heard.

There's a different between hiting someone to got their attention, slaping them upside the head as a wake up call (Winter) and hiting someone to berate or breakdown someone (Abuser).

No, there's not. If you are striking someone hard enough to hurt—and we hear the smack, so it was more than hard enough—you are behaving in an unacceptable manner. Hitting someone in the face because you want them to change the subject is abusive behaviour. If you do it repeatedly—and I would expect Winter does, given Weiss' total lack of reaction—you are an abuser. Period. End of sentence.

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#38217: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:38:13 PM

if it were Mr. Schnee hitting her, would you be as quick to jump to his defense?

The same exact scenario? I would defend him as much as I would Winter as long as we're not adding in the other stuff we know about him.

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#38218: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:38:47 PM

Maybe we are defending Winter because we actually know something about her. Can't say the same for Mr. Schnee.

This has nothing to do with her being a female. Hugh Mungus

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DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#38219: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:44:21 PM

[up][up][up]These people are trained combatants. Hard enough for them and hard enough for us are two different things. The strike clearly didn't hurt Wesis (physically or emotionally).

As for the question. If it was the same exact sitution and people were calling him abusive solely becasuse of that.Yes,Yes I would

edited 2nd Sep '16 4:50:48 PM by DeanCole

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#38220: Sep 2nd 2016 at 4:47:02 PM

" if it were Mr. Schnee hitting her, would you be as quick to jump to his defense?"

Not, because of context, in the moment she hit her Winter ask how she is, acept Ruby and them advice Winter about her semblence and about talking to her father who so far have hit all the typical cliche of a controling father.

""S/he just hits you because they care." Heard that one before"

That is not what I said, Weiss act like she is controling and try to avoid the subject about how she is doing in the school, Winter cut her out it and act like a Sister.

"That has got to be the worst defense of bad behaviour I have ever heard. "

That is not a defense(really, stop putting words in my mouth) I said that being abuser is kind of thing make you a super bad person in fiction, just look Adam who was grey chararter who was force into serving Cinder to general douchebag when he abuse Blake.

"and we hear the smack, so it was more than hard enough"

No really, it clearly was a light hit more than anything, strict? yes, a hardass? complete, abuser? not much

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#38221: Sep 2nd 2016 at 5:04:17 PM

I mean, Dope Slap is a thing.

But what Winter did certainly didn't seem like a Dope Slap.

I've complained about this with Jaune, but I think it's a case of them shooting for funny at an inappropriate time. Like, they might have expected us to take Winter striking Weiss as funny slapstick comedy. The way Ruby plays with the bump suggests we're supposed to be laughing. Problem is, it's not a funny scene. It's a tense scene. Our first impression of Winter and she cuts a rather imposing figure.

So when she hits Weiss, it's not funny. It's scary. It's scary because she's scary, and that makes it harder to write off as comedic slapstick.

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#38222: Sep 2nd 2016 at 5:06:20 PM

Ooooooooooooooooooooh

So then blame the writers for the poor timing then.

Problem solved cool

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#38223: Sep 2nd 2016 at 5:09:49 PM

Bad comedic timing?

Or just bad timing in general?

edited 2nd Sep '16 5:10:48 PM by randomness4

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#38224: Sep 2nd 2016 at 5:35:32 PM

Admittedly, I think the response (and the way the scene is treated in the show) would be different if Winter was Weiss's mother rather than sister.

edited 2nd Sep '16 5:35:56 PM by Novis

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#38225: Sep 2nd 2016 at 5:40:27 PM

More tha comedy is more a way to tell she is strict women, but If I remenber well she hit weiss because she continue to talk about school instead of how she was doing? I have to see the episode again.

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