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#37851: Aug 30th 2016 at 10:30:49 AM

Why would Ruby contest for leadership of JNPR? She already has her own team. Well, had her own team.

She wouldn't directly. But Ruby is a leader and Ruby is probably going to do for Team RNJR what she's been doing for team RWBY. Because that's what she does.

Team RNJR has two people who are supposed to be leaders, which means two people who might try to call the shots because that is their role on the teams that composite RNJR. When push comes to shove, one of them has to be willing to step back and let the other person take the reigns. And that person needs to be Jaune, because even though 75% of it is his team, Ruby's the only one who's actually qualified for the role.

edited 30th Aug '16 10:31:52 AM by TobiasDrake

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#37852: Aug 30th 2016 at 10:45:42 AM

Pyrrha wasn't buying time for Jaune to escape. She forced Jaune away while she went to stop Cinder, because Ozpin made clear that she needed to be stopped and right then and there, Pyrrha was the only one who could. Jaune had nothing to do with it.

Aside from that, what Bleye said. That's what I mean by him being human.

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#37853: Aug 30th 2016 at 10:51:13 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if they teamwork'd leadership. They have different strengths, Ruby comes up with pre-planned maneuvers and Jaune has shown the potential to a more last minute strategists.

And speaking of last minute, that whole "Jaune, go be lookout" was thrown together at the last minute by Ozpin. I would've expected that behavior Jaune from fucking everyone when asked to guard this spot at the last second and oh you're comrade is screaming and seriously what the fuck is all this and what's going on.

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#37854: Aug 30th 2016 at 10:52:44 AM

Pyrrha never answers what she's planning on doing when Jaune tries to get her to explain her motives, so we might have come away with different interpretations as a result. I didn't think she ever had any illusions about living through that. She's seen what Cinder's capable of. She knows she doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of ever beating her. That's why she sends Jaune away; so he doesn't die with her.

But looking back, I can see how it could also be interpreted that for some f*cking reason she actually thought she could beat Cinder or at least hold the line long enough for backup to arrive and save the day. She tells Jaune, "Get to Vale and call for help," so that might make sense. She might not have known that most of the others were too wounded or, in Yang's case, disarmed to back her up.

And speaking of last minute, that whole "Jaune, go be lookout" was thrown together at the last minute by Ozpin. I would've expected that behavior Jaune from fucking everyone when asked to guard this spot at the last second and oh you're comrade is screaming and seriously what the fuck is all this and what's going on.

I wouldn't. I would expect them to respect Ozpin enough to start asking questions later when they're no longer in a warzone. We have a term for Jaune's failure here: dereliction of duty. He abandoned his post on an emotional reaction and people died because of it.

Although maybe expecting him to behave like a soldier is asking a bit much since, despite being at a training academy for Hunters and Huntresses, he's an unqualified civvie who cheated his way in the door and has no idea what he's doing.

edited 30th Aug '16 10:56:39 AM by TobiasDrake

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#37855: Aug 30th 2016 at 10:55:56 AM

Had Jaune been thinking straight he would have called Glynda like he was suppose to.

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#37856: Aug 30th 2016 at 11:00:06 AM

Being the leader of the team doesn't automatically mean you are the strongest/most skillful/etc. of the team. Being the leader of the team means you can actually lead the team. And that is the thing with Jaune. He might not be the strongest member of the team, but what he has is on-the-spot thinking abilities what allows him to actually tell the rest of the team what to do. He can afford to take a step back and observe the battle. Not all leaders lead the charge. Some leaders tell their men when to charge onwards.

edited 30th Aug '16 11:00:33 AM by TPPR10

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#37857: Aug 30th 2016 at 11:04:57 AM

But looking back, I can see how it could also be interpreted that for some f*cking reason she actually thought she could beat Cinder

Considering she held her own pretty damn well till Kevin showed up, it's far from unreasonable. Hell, with only half the Maiden powerup she might well have been able to take her. Pyrrha had been shown time and time again to be by far the best of the students at fighting human opponents.

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#37859: Aug 30th 2016 at 11:08:42 AM

Although maybe expecting him to behave like a soldier is asking a bit much since, despite being at a training academy for Hunters and Huntresses, he's an unqualified civvie who cheated his way in the door and has no idea what he's doing.

See, I wouldn't have held high-hopes for any of the kids of RWBYJNPR acting like soldiers in that situation. Warriors, yes, which Jaune hasn't got the hang of yet either, but the soldiering part of their duty, no.

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#37862: Aug 30th 2016 at 11:24:14 AM

Cinder's not the type to hold back on a newfound power, so it's not unreasonable to assume Pyrrha was doing fairly well, all things considering. If Ruby arrived a few seconds earlier, they could very well beat her - or at least stop Cinder from killing Pyrrha.

As for Jaune calling Ruby and Weiss rather than someone else, that's probably just an emotional reaction. That said, Glynda - and Qrow with Ironwood, for that matter - were deep in the city and thus would be unable to reach the tower in time.

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#37863: Aug 30th 2016 at 11:26:57 AM

[up][up]No idea. I personally think it's a Monster Hunter reference, as Seregios, Sharagu Magala and Gogmazios got nicknamed (before their names were revealed) Steve, Stephenson and George.

On the Jaune thing: Tobias, you're being too hard on him. He's seventeen. How old, or more correctly how heartless, are you that you think you can just stand there ignoring your best friend who is screaming in agony?

Although maybe expecting him to behave like a soldier is asking a bit much since, despite being at a training academy for Hunters and Huntresses, he's an unqualified civvie who cheated his way in the door and has no idea what he's doing.
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edited 30th Aug '16 11:30:09 AM by BlackSunNocturne

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#37864: Aug 30th 2016 at 11:31:34 AM

I'm pretty sure it's Kevin for no other reason than turning the dragon into Fluffy the Terrible as a joke.

edited 30th Aug '16 11:32:13 AM by Karxrida

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#37865: Aug 30th 2016 at 11:34:37 AM

[up][up]Flinching...but he had to man up.

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#37866: Aug 30th 2016 at 11:35:49 AM

[up][up][up]Yeah! Like, a huge point of RWBY is that they're not trained soldiers and that they are still kids.

Hell, that's directly stated in Volume 2's first episode.

edited 30th Aug '16 11:37:40 AM by EpicBleye

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#37867: Aug 30th 2016 at 11:40:13 AM

Wasn't Kevin a reference to the guy who does the RWBY recaps? That's where I remember most of the funny names coming from at any rate.

As for Phyrra going to fight Cinder, I don't think she went up there expecting to die, she went up there in the hopes of fulfilling the destiny Ozpin had mentioned to her with regards to her candidacy for the maiden powers. She felt it was her duty, as the one strong enough to fight, to try and stop this person who was going to misuse these powers and kill countless people. Hence her final statement to Cinder about believing in destiny. That she sent Jaune away was because she knew this place was going to be dangerous (even discounting Cinder and her fight, there was the whole giant wyvern Grimm spawning smaller ones).

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#37868: Aug 30th 2016 at 12:03:56 PM

On the Jaune thing: Tobias, you're being too hard on him. He's seventeen. How old, or more correctly how heartless, are you that you think you can just stand there ignoring your best friend who is screaming in agony?

When she's already in the care of a commanding officer who you trust with your life, while you have an important task to perform because the entire city is under siege? It's not about being heartless. It's about doing your duty, carrying your weight, and not getting everyone killed by abandoning your post.

If Jaune can't handle that, then maybe he shouldn't have cheated his way into an academy he's unqualified to attend. If Jaune wants to behave like a civilian, then he should be with the civilians, not pretending to be a combatant.

There's no shame in being ill-fit for war. It's not for everyone. But people who can't hack it probably shouldn't be wearing the uniform and receiving orders they can't or won't carry out. Jaune had one job, a really simple one at that, and now Pyrrha's KIA, Ozpin is MIA, and Cinder's more powerful than ever because he couldn't carry it out.

Because that's what happens on a battlefield when you're the f*ckup. You're not the one that gets killed. Better soldiers die for you.

edited 30th Aug '16 12:06:26 PM by TobiasDrake

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#37869: Aug 30th 2016 at 12:12:39 PM

I think pinning all that just on Jaune turning around at Pyrrha screaming is a bit much. It sure didn't help, but it's just one link in the chain.

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#37870: Aug 30th 2016 at 12:18:48 PM

You know what? I'm not even going to continue this "Jaune's fault" discussion.

edited 30th Aug '16 12:22:11 PM by BlackSunNocturne

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#37871: Aug 30th 2016 at 12:19:15 PM

"I think Jaune's overall one of the most... "real" characters in the series"

Really? so far he feel the most artificial, at least in volume 2 where he click all the anime and romance cliches: he is skinny and loser guy who yet have amanzing friend who also like him because he is...."Nice", them he comit a mistake and have to fix up, I consider the lowest part of Volume 2, in contrast he become a suporting chararter in Volume 3

"Because she's actually supposed to be here. "

Except Ruby is there for some weird Ozpin shanigan nobody but him know from, she didnt show skill of a leader so far, I lease Jaune actually order people and direct to the best place, hear advice and offer suport, Ruby is the leader because her damn name is in the damn show

"Cinder was able to absorb the Fall Maiden's powers is because Jaune is such a colossal f*ckup in everything he does that he can't even get "

It won change a damn thing, Jaune is too weak to even doing something and Cinder only have to shoot Amber, he didnt acomplish nothing in that.

"Flinching...but he had to man up."

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#37872: Aug 30th 2016 at 12:23:12 PM

You're saying that Jaune should return to the civvies, but I don't think he can.

It's clear enough that the man doesn't get any respect, justifiably or otherwise, so going to Beacon is his last chance to prove himself. His grandpa was a war hero, no? He's got his sword & board, and he wants to make a name for himself; not just for fame or what not, but to be acknowledged.

Plus, you assume that he would be able to stop Cinder. All she needed was a single shot and she has established herself a peerless archer before. On the other side you have a dude with a small shield as his only means of defense, staring into the darkness. Assuming he was aware of her and reacted appropriately, there is still the question whether that would be enough in the first place.

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#37873: Aug 30th 2016 at 12:25:30 PM

I'm not expecting him to stop Cinder. That's not the responsibility of a lookout. I'm expecting him to shout, "Enemy sighted!" and then for Ozpin to turn around and stop Cinder. That is literally all he had to do: see Cinder enter the hallway and start aiming her bow. And maybe get between her and her target with his awesome shield, but mostly just shout a warning.

Point is, I don't actually want him to go back to the civvies. I want him to do better, up to and including following his f*cking orders to more people don't have to die from his screw-ups. It's not endearing anymore. Frankly, it never was.

edited 30th Aug '16 12:26:58 PM by TobiasDrake

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#37874: Aug 30th 2016 at 12:25:58 PM

I would have called Kevin Drake, but I wasn't really around when that was decided.

Like how I could have called him a salmon snake during the dragon vs. wyvern argument.

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#37875: Aug 30th 2016 at 12:29:03 PM

[up][up]It would matter better little, since Cinder would go anyway, is more a pointless gesture, you know?

Even them is hard to follow order when you dosent know what the hell is happeing

edited 30th Aug '16 12:29:23 PM by unknowing

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