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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#37726: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:05:32 AM

[up][up]Fiction really likes to pretend that size doesn't matter, and I'm always pleased when it gets averted. Probably why the end of this scene is one of my favourites in the history of martial arts films.

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#37727: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:08:05 AM

I remember and love that movie. I especially love how in the end of the movie, the main character faces off the muscular dude again (as well as other burly guys) and he defeats them not by using raw strength, but using broken pieces of bones as a pair of blades.

Because no matter how much muscle one has, it ain't gonna stop blades.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#37728: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:11:21 AM

Last I read here it was more of a vague "Monty had lots of notes for the next 5-8 seasons but nothing specific". A lot of notes could mean character designs and bad guy names. Monty's specialization was making wicked character designs and action sequences. He might have had a lot of ideas scribbled down but there's nothing saying they were developed, or that they were about anything in particular.

Monty had more notes than that. I was always puzzled by the "ten seasons/volumes" claims, even when Monty was alive, because Monty himself said in interviews that he had enough story material to take the kids to adulthood and beyond, and could write as many seasons as necessary to feed interest - if there was interest in the story continuing that long. I know the "ten seasaons" came from an interview, but I think it was too literally interpreted for what the creators, including Monty himself, have been trying to say.

The livestream at the end of Volume 3 was something I quoted on this forum thread as I listened to it. The creators confirmed they have "years worth of story to tell". They don't like pinning down how many volumes because each volume depends on how Miles and Kerry writes the content for that volume. They could easily write 20 volumes worth (another of my quotes from the livestream), and they do have Monty's notes that provide story material for adulthood adventures if they wanted to stretch this story longer than it was originally imagined.

According to the creators, the main thing the RWBY team has lost with Monty's death is not the plot - they've got that - it's the creativity behind showcasing the weapons and fight sequences.

The reason I said above that I think fans may be latching on to specific season numbers more literally than they should is because of what Monty has said in the past and what Miles and Kerry said in the Volume 3 livestream. They don't like using specific numbers because the plot they've got is as flexible as it needs to be for the story they want to tell, and they've got extra material they can use if they wanted to stretch the story well into adulthood.

As a result, the message the creators wanted to convey in the livestream (and which I've seen Monty say in the past), is that the exact number of seasons or volumes isn't that important to them. What's important is that they do have the overall plot of the show, and they've got the notes for extending the story into adulthood. They don't want to limit themselves to an exact number of seasons because that gives them the flexibility to structure each volume how ever they feel is right for the storytelling. They could write 10 volumes. They could also write 20 volumes. They could even write more than 20 volumes if they wanted to keep going. They do not know, however, how many volumes they will genuinely end up writing because of the way they approach developing each volume.

edited 28th Aug '16 10:18:25 AM by Wyldchyld

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#37729: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:14:57 AM

[up][up]Exactly. Of course you have to give the original big guy credit—even after his tendons get cut and the rest of the brute squad is down he still keeps coming. The film's villain got her money's worth with him.

By the way, one of the reasons why I'd like to see the LT and Weiss have a rematch? It's at least in part because thus far Weiss doesn't have a personal enemy. Ruby had Torchwick (he hated the group but especially her) and after seeing Pyrrha's death likely has Cinder now. Yang has Mercury. Blake, of course, has Adam. But unless her dad turns out to be a villain, Weiss doesn't really have anyone set up. They could introduce a new character, obviously, but I'd honestly like to see her go up against the LT again, since he handed her one of her more embarrassing onscreen defeats (which has got to sting her pride) and seems to have it in for her family.

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#37730: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:20:32 AM

[up]Hah, yeah she did.

You know, I'd like to see our main characters doing some physical training, including weight training.

I mean come on, don't tell me you guys wouldn't want to see them in just shorts and shirts, sweaty and everything. evil grin

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#37731: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:20:42 AM

[up][up]So far, it look Jaune and Ruby go for Cinder while Blake and Yang have match to Adam, and depending how you see it maybe Sun will help too, so yeah maybe Weiss vs Lt can be intersting, granbted they have to upgrade him to full chararter, otherwise it will be boring

edited 28th Aug '16 10:21:31 AM by unknowing

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#37732: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:23:32 AM

But honestly, I'm getting really sick and tired of this "big and muscular = slow" thing. Big and fat character will undoubtedly be slower than a small, slim character. But muscular guy? Muscle generates speed.
I think that's honestly because people are afraid of making any Joe Schmo large muscular guy a Lightning Bruiser. And if there's enough of them, that would mean they'd all be Lightning Bruisers. Which defeats the purpose of a Lightning Bruiser because it's not "strong, fast and tough" it's "stronger, faster, and tougher than the other characters. It's like how people argue that if Yang's a Mighty Glacier or Lightning Bruiser when she's both; she's the former amongst RWBY, the latter amongst everyone else with some exceptions (like Neo).

Though I think the idea isn't so much "big and muscular = slow" it's "big and muscular = much heavier than a slim character = slower than a slim character". Which, by some logic makes sense. Yes, with larger muscles you're going to be faster, but the fastest people are not big muscular dudes. Usain Bolt, who's one of the fastest people on Earth, has some powerful-ass legs, but the rest of his body is basically rail-thin.

edited 28th Aug '16 10:27:22 AM by BlackSunNocturne

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#37733: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:29:19 AM

Weird how you're only addressing movement speed, what about striking speed?

Arms.

edited 28th Aug '16 10:29:39 AM by randomness4

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#37734: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:35:15 AM

Well, in that discussion:

Banesaw was able to grab/strike at Weiss as fast as she struck him once he got an opening. So there's that.

In regards to in general? No idea. Well, depending on the game/show I've noticed a lot of Mighty Glaciers seem to have attacks that never miss if they're able to hit, the issue is getting close enough to do so.

edited 28th Aug '16 10:36:05 AM by BlackSunNocturne

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#37735: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:39:58 AM

Usain Bolt, who's one of the fastest people on Earth, has some powerful-ass legs, but the rest of his body is basically rail-thin.

Lolwat.

Have you actually seen any of his photo? Because that guy is pretty damn jacked.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#37736: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:40:15 AM

is more a tematic thing that anything else, small and lean chararter are fast but weak and big chararter punch strong but slow, usually lighting brusier are call OP for that reason just like Yang.

But the main thing is, Banesaw dosent used aura, any badass punch or anything, he just grab Weiss and tend hit her with the chainsaw, it was so sudden that one can only said "wait what?"

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#37737: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:41:34 AM

[up][up]Compare him to a strongman, not a bodybuilder. I fucked up and left that part out [lol]

But compared to a strongman, Usain Bolt is basically an anorexic teenage girl. World-class strongmen, the guys who can lift ridiculous weights and shit, are utterly huge compared to most people.

Example: Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson broke a one-thousand year weight-lifting record.

edited 28th Aug '16 10:47:29 AM by BlackSunNocturne

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#37738: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:44:56 AM

On the subject of muscles and lightning bruises,

I think this movie is the perfect example. Both fighters are built like tanks and they are still very fast fighters.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#37739: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:45:56 AM

so yeah maybe Weiss vs Lt can be intersting, granbted they have to upgrade him to full chararter, otherwise it will be boring

I assumed that my wanting him upgraded to character status went without saying. You don't bring someone back for a rematch and not give them a little more personality. At least not if you're even a semi-competent writer.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#37740: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:50:07 AM

@Black Nocturne - Your comparison to begin with is completely irrelevant. Muscular speed in pure running, fighting, weight lifting are all different kinds. The point here is that in the context of fighters, those who have trained enough to develop huge ass muscles are going to extremely fast, likely even faster than those who are several weight class below.

EDIT: If anyone wants to reply to any of my posts, I won't be able to post for -let's see when does my shift begin- at the very least 5 hours.

edited 28th Aug '16 10:58:59 AM by dRoy

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#37741: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:59:41 AM

Maybe the students really are super muscular, but inside their skin is a void that doesn't allow muscle to visibly buldge.

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#37742: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:59:52 AM

I'd like to point out that muscle tone is far more important than muscle mass here. Just look at Olympic level athletes that aren't in weight lifting or great, real life martial artists like Bruce Lee.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#37743: Aug 28th 2016 at 11:02:20 AM

Let face: any fight between bane saw and weiss where body weight and height is consider will be pretty much like this:

I think Droy would like this fightevil grin

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WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#37744: Aug 28th 2016 at 12:04:32 PM

wild mass guessWeiss' Dad will not be her main antagonist, because Banesaw will finally kill a Schnee.wild mass guess

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#37745: Aug 28th 2016 at 12:11:32 PM

[up][up][up] To continue on that, muscle friction is a thing people.

Also, it's why you never see tennis or badminton players with the bodies of bodybuilders; too much muscle can and will slow you down.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#37746: Aug 28th 2016 at 12:28:56 PM

[up]Which brings us right back to the "a Mighty Glacier is jacked as fuck and also slow". It's gone full-circle now [lol]

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#37747: Aug 28th 2016 at 12:46:45 PM

[up][up]Chain-saw guy didn't have too much muscle, just more than average...he could still play tennis.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#37748: Aug 28th 2016 at 12:48:10 PM

Banesaw looked more like a Baseball player than a Badminton/Tennis player

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#37749: Aug 28th 2016 at 1:45:01 PM

So Weiss would win in tennis, but Banesaw could carry his baseball team to victory?

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#37750: Aug 28th 2016 at 1:54:29 PM

Precisely.

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