(2) A bunch of the songs in the show allude to aspects of different characters and potential plot points in interesting ways. As gag-filled and silly RWBY might seem the opening music paints a much darker picture. All of the opening songs seem to have built up to the events of Volume 3, and if they're to be believed, Ozpin's faction is more sinister than they let on.
I swear on Pyrrha's ashes if this was something else Miles and Kerry confirmed during an interview I'm gonna-
It's too early to say anything about Ozpin, Cinder, or Salem's alignments just yet. Heck, easy example, Fullmetal Alchemist. Selim seems like a cute kid at first doesn't he. Bradley seems like a reasonable figure but he's actually a brutal, superhuman predator.
You can't drink as much coffee as Ozpin does and still consider yourself a good, honest person.
edited 28th Aug '16 1:52:17 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!Coffee, surprisingly enough...doesn't help a person determine a character's morality.
Especially.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.I feel like Ozpin and Salem have been too open with their alignments to be anything other than what they seem. Ozpin for example is highly unlikely to secretly be evil, when he did things like let the kids enjoy their fun and mutter to himself that he really hopes they'd never have to fight in a war, though it was likely, both done when he's got nobody within earshot to want to deceive. Where as Salem speaks with great glee about how she wants humanity to burn.
I could see it being more complex than that, ie Ozpin is really good, but also wants to eat his cake and have it too, by saving humanity and defeating Salem while also keeping his secrets and position of power so until he figures out how to do that people will still die. Someone speculated that the 4 man team system was put in place in hopes of creating an unstoppable but small team, who Ozpin can send to defeat Salem while also keeping her existance and the other things he wants kept quiet within his very small group, and that's why he doesn't just lead all the hunters in one big push against Salem, because if everyone sees her odds are someone will talk.
But if it turns out Ozpin is just actually a sinister bad guy then that would just be stupid writing.
edited 28th Aug '16 2:01:43 AM by AJSthe2nd
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Yes, that is 24 GTX 1080s set up for rendering RWBY 4.
I'm going with "not anything until proven something", cause I know so little about what Cinder's motivations might be, or her master's for that matter, that it could anywhere.
It's just the amount of pomp and circumstances surrounding the whole thing, in-character and out, make me very suspicious.
Put an arrow in her heart, okay, she's dead. Then proceed to disintegrate the body before she's even really dead, now you're up to something.
So if it turns out to not be the outcome we expect it's stupid writing. :D
Not secretly evil perhaps, but definitely more than he seems. I doubt this series is going to conclude with Team RWBY and Ozpin seeing eye-to-eye on whatever ancient demonic conspiracy went down. From Cinder's response to Pyrrha about destiny, and her comment about Ozpin's arrogance, and the shot of her looking forlorn while Ironwood's ships approach Vale in the Volume 2 opening -I get a "history is written by the victors" vibe from Cinder and Ozpin.
It's incredibly vague sadism. We have little idea what their relationship is yet beyond some casual, cryptic mockery. Which might not be relevant anymore given that the Raven dream sequence was effectively non-canon, and Monty might not have planned ahead that far.
And Black sun nocturne, I swear to god if you say anything along the lines of, "Nope, they said this in a livestream that the conversation at the start of Volume 1 actually will be addressed," I will... will... I will roundhouse you through your computer screen. You'll be typing your next post and a foot will just like, WHAM, out of nowhere. You won't even be able to file a police report because the foot will just retract back into the screen like nothing happened.
edited 28th Aug '16 10:38:01 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!![]()
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We do know that Monty had planned that far ahead. We don't just have information from the creators post-death, but from when Monty was still alive, too.
I'm pretty sure that Ozpin's the guy who's made some terrible decisions in the past. He's the character whose wisdom has come at a terrible price. That doesn't make him evil now (it doesn't even make him evil in the past, although he could easily be an alignment-shifted character). What it makes him is the kind of guy who originally didn't handle the weight on his shoulders very well - either through foolishness, naivete, arrogance, or a combination of flaws.
Everything we've seen about him screams The Atoner. Nobody is The Atoner unless they have an Awful Truth they need to be atoning for. That doesn't mean the guy has ever been evil - but the best atoners, are the characters who have never been evil and still have something terrible they need to atone for.
We've had enough information about Salem to guess that she's a good person that had something appalling happen to her that has transformed her into the personality she is now, and that she's blaming Ozpin for what happened to her and what knowledge she now possesses. Ozpin's atoner-style personality makes me think that Ozpin would agree with Salem that he is to blame, but that the fact they both agree doesn't necessarily tell us what the full truth of the matter really is, mainly because when the villain and The Atoner agree on the awfulness of the The Atoner, they are both absolving the villain of any responsibility for their own actions (which the hero will come to understand and point out) and over-emphasising The Atoner's role in all of this (which can still be truly awful, but which is being used to absolve the villain of responsibility in favour of pinning all the blame on The Atoner - as the hero tends to (perhaps with time) come to understand and eventually point out).
That's the stereotype of how these types of characters unfold in a story, anyway. At the moment, it's therefore what I'm expecting from Ozpin and Salem. Salem's side is going to be the side that reveals the Awful Truth about Ozpin to the heroes, which will create the (un)necessary angst in the heroes. Eventually the heroes will come to understand the above, and oppose the villain once again. Now, there are two paths that are commonly taken - one is to understand path The Atoner took and be able to complete his work without having to make all of his mistakes or make any of his terrible decisions, or to say that the villain should be opposed, but there's an alternative path to the one The Atoner. In other words, the hero dismisses both paths taken by the villain and The Atoner, and decides to Take a Third Option instead.
Ruby strikes me as the Take a Third Option characters. And the few clues we see through the show at the moment makes me think that Ozpin is not trying to turn Ruby onto his path, he's desperately searching for a hero who can indeed Take a Third Option - find the solution that's eluding him. To me, that makes the most sense of everything we've seen so far (and heard in the songs) - from both protagonists and villains.
It is worth noting that of all the main character in the show, we've heard protagonist songs and villain songs but we have not heard Ozpin's song. I think that's the one we need to hear - and it's the one we won't hear for a long time, because he's the type of character we don't learn the truth about until long after the villain has given us the worst version of the story possible (which is rarely the fully truthful story for obvious reasons).
Here's an example from the Wizard of Oz, given Ozpin's connection to the Wizard:
The Wizard was the one who was put a position where various warring factions looked to him as a neutral party. So he took control of the Emerald City. He became the role others wanted him to have, and he made some terrible decisions along the way. One decision was to send away the child who was the true heir to the Emerald City's throne (Princess Ozma) and give her over to a hag for raising. The hag was an evil witch who transformed Princess Ozma into a boy and who raised him poorly.
Dorothy's group end up rescuing the boy and he eventually regains his true form and identity. Princess Ozma does take her rightful place as ruler of the Emerald City and begins her long quest to unite the whole of Oz under one command, to ensure peace, prosperity and unity across the whole of Oz. The Wizard is apologetic for his past and Princess Ozma forgives him. When Princess Ozma passes into law a rule forbidding the use of magic across the whole of Oz, she allows for only three legal users of magic to remain - herself (she's half-fairy, so uses a sort of fairy magic), Glinda the Good Witch, and The Wizard (who had been training under Glinda to learn real magic and turned out to be extremely gifted at it, second only to Glinda). Despite his magical talent, The Wizard's main use still remained his Gadgeteer Genius abilities, but he became a true asset to the kingdom and Princess Ozma in particular.
Now, the character is not portrayed as evil, but as a deeply flawed human who has made terrible decisions along the way. However, this is also why there are literary interpretations of The Wizard (and indeed of Glinda the Good Witch as well) as being truly evil. There are also revisionist retellings of the Oz stories such as Wicked which makes the Wicked Witch of the West a misunderstood girl who just wanted to help a world that was abusing her, The Wizard evil and Glinda spoiled and selfish. In some key ways, RWBY's General Ironwood seems to be more inspired by Wicked's version of the Tin Man than the original version, so I think Wicked has had at least some impact on RWBY. On a personal note, I consider that unfortunate because I think Wicked is an awful, awful story.
edited 28th Aug '16 9:54:02 AM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Forum moved fast while I was asleep. Just wanted to respond to one or two things that were said in response to me.
That's exactly the the thing I was driving at, actually. She'd hit him a lot of times, certainly, but watching the fight she doesn't actually seem to be doing that much damage. Sure, she staggers him each time she hits him, but he's always up and moving a second later, seemingly none the worse for the wear. He waited for her to leave an opening, then he grabbed her.
Which is more or less what can happen when small and fast fights big and strong. Hitting someone a lot doesn't mean much if you aren't doing much damage with each hit, and if he's sufficiently larger and stronger than you (and I suppose in this case has enough aura) he doesn't necessarily need to hit you back very often for it to leave a mark. Basically, the fight's a study in what happens when Goliath succeeds in getting his hands on David.
There's also, I freely admit, a degree of video game logic in the specific way it plays out, which is not exactly uncommon for that show (my fiancee and I both noticed that the show runs on boss fight rules almost immediately). Weiss jumps from glyph to glyph, evading his attacks, and charging her own. Each time she hits him, she staggers him, then goes to the next glyph to charge again and hopefully stagger him again. The last time she failed to continue the combo and he automatically grabbed her. I swear there was a boss fight in a game I played that worked along very similar lines.
Oh, I'm not arguing that. But that's the thing—so long as a show isn't running on the logic employed by Bleach (wherein if your spiritual pressure is high enough you can stand around and let weaker people smack you without it doing any damage) and similar shonen series, that can happen. A good fighter can have a bad day, a bad fighter can have a good day. Weiss had a bad day there (whether the Lieutenant was having a good day we obviously can't say unless he shows up again).
Sidenote but I do wonder if she and Yang might have had a better day if they'd switched opponents. Bring Yang's brute force to bear on the LT and let Weiss try to catch Neo.
This I concur with completely. I'd also note that his performance serves as a decent warmup for what Adam later proves capable of. I may despise Adam, but watching him stomp Yang doesn't effect my suspension of disbelief—and the fact that his apparent second-in-command previously beat Weiss (after a much harder fight) is a part of the reason why.
He stands out enough to me. Maybe it's just the wannabe writer in me, but if a character is described as standing a head or more taller than the rest of his men, has a unique set of tattoos, a custom uniform, and a weapon that nobody else has, I tend to assume that character is important—or at least more dangerous than the rest of the henchmen.
edited 28th Aug '16 9:59:41 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
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Last I read here it was more of a vague "Monty had lots of notes for the next 5-8 seasons but nothing specific". A lot of notes could mean character designs and bad guy names. Monty's specialization was making wicked character designs and action sequences. He might have had a lot of ideas scribbled down but there's nothing saying they were developed, or that they were about anything in particular.
Considering Monty's talent, I'd wager it probably wasn't anything thoroughly developed, but probably more like the cliffnotes that kid who wrote Axe Cop did and his father illustrated. And we've already run the yard on how spotty Monty's writing is.
I'm hoping they eventually release Monty's notes as part of a DVD extra or something, just so we can see exactly what he had in mind. As harsh as it is to say, I'd rather not have to take RT's word that "Monty planned this." That could easily be an excuse for any direction they choose to take RWBY in - "well yeah everybody thought Penny was gonna come back, but Monty wrote in his notes (ear-splitting grin) that she was Killed Off for Real."
Call it unfounded paranoia, but we'll never know otherwise. Only the people who worked closely with Monty will know. Some crumpled pieces of paper taken from Monty's desk or something would alleviate concern.
Then again, Monty is the man who drew a world map from a ketchup smear on a napkin. Finding genuine documentation from him might be rather difficult.
Hah, I see your point.
edited 28th Aug '16 9:30:22 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!In other other words, it the Mighty Glacier VS the Fragile Speedster where the Speedster doesn't managed to pull off Death of a Thousand Cuts in time.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Even easier terms to understand, just how far can this example be simplified by people who already seem to understand it?
edited 28th Aug '16 9:47:30 AM by randomness4
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice."He is the Anti-Shipper. His goal in life is to destroy all ships because he couldn't have his. "
Them why Adam didnt try to kill Blakex Sun?
Exactly
"And now I have to ruminate about an Adam Taurus mod for Metal Gear Rising Revengeance."
With this song [1]
in the background
"Is it odd that I think I'll miss Roman more than I'll miss Pyrrha or Penny? "
it will be odd to think otherwise
"For me to get behind a domestic abuser in any way, even as a villain, they've got to be an amazingly compelling character. Adam hasn't gotten there for me yet, and I'm doubtful if he will."
Yeah you are right, im with fasman and Droy that we like Adam for being stright edgelord without the irony "haha look how hard he try" and he is badass, in my case I kind disregard his abusic behivor because that was so out of nowhere and make the whole thing look like Blakex Yang fanfic
Now about Weiss vs Not-leatheface: the issue here is HOW she loss, it was pretty much a sudden aversion of Anime rules(which the show used A LOT), she give him is powerfull move and was close to finish blow when he suddenly grab her like a doll, also as everyone point out he is sub boss at best, so having him win come as....weird
About Penny..yeah she will be back, but I think it will be and arc about it, after all Atlas is big shit right now and the concern of what they should return that robot or not should be in place
Now about Ozpin....the issue is what drove Salem to hate him so much? both Cinder and Salem pay him as manipulative and prone to used others, eh is not evil....but a little bit shaddy at least, granted it dosent help idea of Maiden come latter which made the whole thing in early two volume weird as result
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I find it immensely satisfying when a larger and muscular character bruteforces through a smaller and faster character and manhandles him or her. It's a pity that it keeps happening to the good guys, though.
But honestly, I'm getting really sick and tired of this "big and muscular = slow" thing. Big and fat character will undoubtedly be slower than a small, slim character. But muscular guy? Muscle generates speed.
Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.His muscles aren't even ridiculous...
It's actually quite obvious how muscle bound characters get no lovin'.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.

Has anyone else mentioned that a lot of the opening songs lyrics fit the Last few episodes like "we can't just wait with lives at stake until they think we're ready" and "it's so hard to say goodbye to the things we knew"