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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#37651: Aug 27th 2016 at 8:47:17 PM

I think Banesaw simply wanted to kill a Schnee because Schnee family = White Fang Enemy #1, 2 and 3

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#37652: Aug 27th 2016 at 8:50:10 PM

Banesaw heard that Schnees are delicious meals and so he wanted to make a Weiss pancake.

Or because we need a big guy so Weiss jobs against. Isn't he dead?

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#37653: Aug 27th 2016 at 8:52:56 PM

Cinder's just "resting bitch face" the character

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Mercury's the male equivalent.

Hmph.

Adam's a domestic abuser trying to look cool

   why :(   

edited 27th Aug '16 8:53:25 PM by Soble

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#37654: Aug 27th 2016 at 8:53:06 PM

[up]We have no idea what happened to him actually.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#37655: Aug 27th 2016 at 9:02:29 PM

Or because we need a big guy so Weiss jobs against

I'm not quite sure how you'd classify that as her jobbing. The man has what, a foot and a half on her and weighs as much as two or three of her? It's hardly unrealistic for him to be able to take her out the way he did. That's the problem with fighting someone that large and that strong—it won't take very many hits for them to knock you out.

Anyway, seeing as Weiss dominates most of the fight, then gets taken out when he manages to grab her, I'd hardly say she was jobbing.

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#37656: Aug 27th 2016 at 9:13:07 PM

The problem is he's a White Fang faceless guy, and most of them are low aura weaklings that each member of RWBY was smashing up in droves (barring that one time where Ruby was somehow unable to punch one which never really made sense) so it's weird that this one guy was able to stop Weiss, physical size be damned because it doesn't mean much when aura and dust are involved.

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#37658: Aug 27th 2016 at 9:14:09 PM

What stopped weiss from using her Glyphs to kick Banesaw's ass?

Do we have to blame Blake again? She did gave her a dust ammo clip

edited 27th Aug '16 9:14:40 PM by fasoman1996

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#37659: Aug 27th 2016 at 9:15:49 PM

[up][up][up]It doesn't matter when Grimm are involved...

Other fighters may stir inconsistency.

edited 27th Aug '16 9:16:14 PM by randomness4

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#37660: Aug 27th 2016 at 9:21:40 PM

The problem is he's a White Fang faceless guy, and most of them are low aura weaklings

And we know he's low aura how? Adam certainly isn't, as evidenced by his utter shredding of Yang, and this guy would appear to be his second-in-command. Assuming his aura is roughly equal to Weiss'—which again, given what his immediate boss does to her teammate doesn't seem particularly unrealistic—they'll cancel one another out, and let him bring his physical advantages into play.

As for being a faceless mook, that's true only insofar as he's wearing the typical White Fang mask. Between his bulk, his tattoos, his voice, his chainsaw, etc, he's hardly an unrecognizable figure in the crowd.

What stopped weiss from using her Glyphs to kick Banesaw's ass?

Nothing. She was using them and she was kicking his ass. Then he grabbed her. Things went south after that.

The fight between the two of them is pretty classic Fragile Speedster vs Mighty Glacier dance. She flitted around him, landed dozens of hits, but couldn't quite hit hard enough to finish him off, and then he got his hands on her.

also, Muscles Are Meaningless. It's all about that aura.

Sure, but assuming their auras are roughly equal, then the physical is back in play.

edited 27th Aug '16 9:24:39 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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#37661: Aug 27th 2016 at 9:25:40 PM

That's... not how aura works.

Anyway, I don't think he's a low aura weakling but he was an unestablished, nameless, virtually faceless character. He initially appeared to be closer to the White Fang mooks who ARE total jokes than the other characters. Weiss got worfed hard.

It's also just a completely baseless assumption that they had equal aura.

edited 27th Aug '16 9:26:47 PM by Saiga

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#37662: Aug 27th 2016 at 9:28:49 PM

He has his own design and was all by himself. He's probably stronger than your average mook.

edited 27th Aug '16 9:32:06 PM by Karxrida

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#37663: Aug 27th 2016 at 9:30:56 PM

Banesaw is definitely no pushover. It's just weird how Weiss lost to him.

Meanwhile, Blake was doing ok against Torchwick, which i found really weird. And Banesaw promptly vanished after the train crash

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#37664: Aug 27th 2016 at 9:32:15 PM

It's also just a completely baseless assumption that they had equal aura.

Why? Those of you complaining about the fight are insisting that aura trumps all else. If a character with a lower aura cannot beat a character with a higher aura then it pretty logically follows that, given his victory, his aura is equal to or in excess of hers.

Anyway, I don't think he's a low aura weakling but he was an unestablished, nameless, virtually faceless character. He initially appeared to be closer to the White Fang mooks who ARE total jokes than the other characters. Weiss got worfed hard.

So was Neo before she walked all over Yang. Again, I'm failing to see the issue here.

From a character design standpoint he's taller and bulkier than all the other mooks, is wearing a Custom Uniform, sports some pretty serious tattoos, has a Badass Baritone, and lugs around a chainsaw. Those are all pretty clear identifying marks of someone being an individual character.

Frankly I wonder if there'd be as many complaints if his uniform was a different colour, like Adam's.

edited 27th Aug '16 9:36:12 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#37665: Aug 27th 2016 at 9:37:02 PM

aura trumps all else

It kind of does. You can take a chainsaw to the back and merely be knocked unconscious.

If a character with a lower aura cannot beat a character with a higher aura then it pretty logically follows that

We don't really have to assume that. We don't know how large anyone's aura is except during sparring matches and tournament battles. The real indicator is when they flash that whitish-gray and the slow-mo happens. That didn't even happen for Weiss, one moment she's kicking tail, the next he grabs her, hits her, we cut away, and oops apparently she lost.

given his victory, his aura is equal to or in excess of hers.

There's really no precedent for that when Team RWBY regularly plows through WF and Weiss was deftly handing that muscular WF his arse before he grabbed her at the last second. I don't know about everybody else but it was a very abrupt way for the battle to turn in his favor.

So was Neo before she walked all over Yang.

Neo was easily more distinguishable as a "sub-boss/boss" type character than Chainsaw Mook was.

edited 27th Aug '16 9:40:01 PM by Soble

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#37666: Aug 27th 2016 at 9:41:24 PM

Neo had already previously shown up, had a unique design was shown to have a semblence and was named (albeit only on Monty's twitter). She then proceeded to be a recurring character that appeared several times since.

Where as Banesaw's just his fan nickname and he has no name in series. He's just a nameless faceless White Fang LT, who looks a little distinct from the other faceless Fang troops but not by much, and outside of a flashback in Vol 3 never appears again.

Sure it's possible that he's stronger than Weiss, it's just unusual compared to how the show treats every other character that this one guy is strong enough to defeat a trainee huntress but is never named, has no story whatsoever and promptly vanishes.

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#37667: Aug 27th 2016 at 9:43:42 PM

[up][up][up] No, I was debating the assumption that they were equal. There is no basis for that, he's likely just got higher aura. I wasn't saying she lost to a weaker opponent.

On Neo, she was an established character with a completely unique design and a name (Roman used it, not just on twitter). That's... literally the opposite of everything I said about Banesaw.[lol]

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#37668: Aug 27th 2016 at 9:49:49 PM

[up][up][up]The face is a very obvious weak spot in a fist-fight.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#37669: Aug 27th 2016 at 10:11:14 PM

I don't know about everybody else but it was a very abrupt way for the battle to turn in his favor.

It didn't strike me that way. It was a classic big and strong vs small and quick fight, and given all Weiss' dodging about the choreography was more or less acknowledging that she knows not to let him get his hands on her. The fact that she was dominating the fight but that he was refusing to go down convinced me that some sort of twist to that effect was coming. When he finally grabbed her I wasn't surprised.

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#37670: Aug 27th 2016 at 10:13:32 PM

Neo had already previously shown up, had a unique design was shown to have a semblence and was named (albeit only on Monty's twitter).
Wasn't her name stated by Roman the first time she showed up?

edited 27th Aug '16 10:14:22 PM by Karxrida

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#37671: Aug 27th 2016 at 10:21:25 PM

[up]Nope. Neo wasn't named until Monty revealed it on Twitter. In fact, her name wasn't said in-show until she got Mary Poppins'd in Volume 3

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#37672: Aug 27th 2016 at 10:24:05 PM

It didn't strike me that way. It was a classic big and strong vs small and quick fight

Normally I'd agree and even appreciate the show defying a frankly ridiculous and utterly common anime trope (cough) Fairy Tail Fullmetal Alchemist (cough).

But I mean, Weiss was winning. She's already pummeled that guy six ways to Sunday. I don't think he'd even gotten a single hit in, and then all of a sudden he just grabs her. Then later she's up and ready to fight several rounds of Grimm like nothing happened. She's not even heavily wounded despite Blake needing to carry her out of there. It's like the previous fight didn't even happen. That or a person's aura recharges in like less than a minute.

Well, to each their own. It wasn't one of Weiss's best showings either way.

Blake actually came out looking cool because of Weiss's inability to predict grapples and that is something I can never forgive.

Where as Banesaw's just his fan nickname and he has no name in series. He's just a nameless faceless White Fang LT

On the other hand I liked that fight because, on top of Ruby getting KTFO'd by a random WF mook, seeing Weiss get wrecked by a single WF makes them a slightly more credible threat. It's hard to believe this is a serious terrorist organization when 80 percent of their screen time consists of them getting one-shotted by college freshmen. I would've liked to see more "nameless, Elite White Fang mooks" show up and actually give Team RWBY a fight.

But I doubt Monty had that in mind.

edited 27th Aug '16 10:37:57 PM by Soble

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#37673: Aug 27th 2016 at 10:27:32 PM

You don't understand, all that throw did was make Weiss winded...by the time they got to the surface, she recovered.

edited 27th Aug '16 10:28:22 PM by randomness4

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#37675: Aug 27th 2016 at 10:32:01 PM

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?

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