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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#37426: Aug 14th 2016 at 9:04:29 AM

They have to train against something.

And it's also just the basic Grimm that go down in one shot. The Deathstalker and Nevermore were a serious threat that took the better part of an episode to go down, early on.

Also Coco and her team have a years worth of experience on RWBY and JNPR.

edited 14th Aug '16 9:05:22 AM by AJSthe2nd

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#37427: Aug 14th 2016 at 9:14:16 AM

Plus, Coco is geared to fight PVE rather than PVP (as her and Yatsu's fight with Two Evil Shits showed).

I don't remember if either RWBY or JNPR ever beat a Nevermore/Deathstalker that quickly. Those two might still be threatening.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#37428: Aug 14th 2016 at 9:15:21 AM

[up][up][up]You mean closer right?

If they're farther from the cities and weaker than the ones near the cities... yeah

[up][up]Coco also has something called a MINIGUN which is much higher caliber than a sniper rifle, pistol or shotgun [lol]

[up]It basically took both RWBY and JNPR an episode to kill one Nevermore and Deathstalker, during their initiation.

edited 14th Aug '16 9:16:14 AM by BlackSunNocturne

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#37429: Aug 14th 2016 at 9:16:10 AM

Also Breach was as easily contained as it was, because they had the Atlas robots, AND Mercury Emerald and Cinder helping them.

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#37430: Aug 14th 2016 at 9:18:19 AM

And the plan was activated sooner than expected.

Sorry haven't been here for a while but, what's the name of Harambe Grimm?

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#37431: Aug 14th 2016 at 9:20:41 AM

Though it does beg the question why anyone would ever even attempt to create a village far away from the cities, when they typically end up Grimm chow.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#37432: Aug 14th 2016 at 9:20:58 AM

[up][up]Harambe? The Killer Gorilla?

Going by the Concept Art, it's Beringel.

[up]Depends, 'cause from what we saw, Patch was a decent distance away from Vale and was fine. Though Patch is also an island.

edited 14th Aug '16 9:21:48 AM by BlackSunNocturne

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#37433: Aug 14th 2016 at 9:23:23 AM

There's also an Academy at Patch. It's not exactly a small remote village.

Nor is there any wild territory between it and Vale. It's for all intentions and Purposes part of the Kingdom.

edited 14th Aug '16 9:26:15 AM by AJSthe2nd

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#37434: Aug 14th 2016 at 9:31:22 AM

[up][up][up] Poverty? Naivete? We can't have anyone living in the capital since it would get overcrowded quickly.

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#37435: Aug 14th 2016 at 9:37:58 AM

I don't think they're really at risk of overcrowding what with all the rampant death from the wild shadow monsters.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#37436: Aug 14th 2016 at 9:48:24 AM

They went to a city that had fallen to Grimm in Volume 2 and had no real trouble.

They had trouble. Oobleck left the job of clearing out nearby Grimm to them and it's made clear that they start to get tired after dealing with a small number of Grimm for an extended period of time.

the Grimm should be threatening at least to those who fight them

Despite all of Remnant's technological advancements, there are four major kingdoms we know of, and villages outside of those kingdoms allegedly disappear.

edited 14th Aug '16 9:54:13 AM by Soble

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#37437: Aug 14th 2016 at 9:55:29 AM

The problem is that the show never actually shows us the Grimm being threatening and Show, Don't Tell is one of the golden rules of writing.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#37438: Aug 14th 2016 at 9:58:22 AM

And one of the things that's mentioned time and again:

The average Joe Schmo citizen is screwed if a Grimm gets to them. And with what we've been shown in RWBY, this is true. The only hope they have is either outrun the Grimm (unlikely) or run away until a Huntsman can pull a Big Damn Heroes for them

edited 14th Aug '16 10:00:38 AM by BlackSunNocturne

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#37439: Aug 14th 2016 at 10:01:43 AM

An angry bear is a threat to an average Joe Schmo. Are Ursas worse than your average bear? Sure, Ursas are more actively malicious than a regular bear, but the point is.

edited 14th Aug '16 10:04:35 AM by TPPR10

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#37440: Aug 14th 2016 at 10:04:45 AM

Probably. You can presumably get a bear to leave you alone. Ursa will chase you without pause.

Plus, now that I think of it, not even Huntsmen in training are immune to Grimm; there's one of those guys JNPR fought in Ep 2 of Volume 3 being carried off by a Nevermore in a short blink-and-you'll-miss-it scene.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#37441: Aug 14th 2016 at 10:06:41 AM

The Grimm are repeatedly made threatening. The Volume 3 opening for instance illustrates the kind of threat they present. A teeming mass held back by a thin wall guarded by a sparse number of people.

I don't really consider Show, Don't Tell a "golden rule" either. Relying on Show, Don't Tell too much leads to Purple Prose. Everything in moderation.

Volumes 1-3 have shown the Grimm at a point where humanity has kept them suppressed, and at a point when they gain a foothold. Volume 2 slipped up with the final fight but Volume 3 built up to the Grimm beginning their invasion. Ironwood's army didn't seem to be holding them back, at least not very well. And then they stormed Vale.

The state of Mountain Glenn alone shows what happens when the Grimm get in.

It's like Halo or any other FPS. In the first few stages, the marines are around and the Covenant don't seem all that bad battling them on-foot. In later levels, they're everywhere and you're easily outnumbered and outgunned. You rarely start a video game with the enemy forces completely overwhelming the protagonist to establish them as a threat. You gradually make them more threatening over the course of the game.

The first two Volumes didn't really need to show much of anything because we were led to believe that humanity had already fought back the Grimm. The show's rising action came from the Grimm incidents gradually becoming more severe. As of Volume 3, Vale, or at least Beacon - a school for people trained to kill Grimm, is now unsafe.

edited 14th Aug '16 10:42:24 AM by Soble

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#37442: Aug 14th 2016 at 10:22:11 AM

They went to a city that had fallen to Grimm in Volume 2 and had no real trouble.

Mountain Glenn is on the outskirts of Vale. It was part of Vale that was created to try and expand the city, but it couldn't be protected from the Grimm so it had to be closed off to protect the rest of Vale.

I still want to know if Ozpin was involved in that.

They had a chance to do this in the Volume 2 finale that made me swear off the show for a while but they blew it.

The Volume 2 finale wasn't really about the Grimm. It was about what Roman was up to and how it fit into Cinder's plans. It still wasn't a great finale, but we know what went wrong with that finale (Monty did last minute animation changes for Rule of Cool, just like he did for the Volume 1 finale; it made the Volume 2 finale rushed and splintered as a result).

I think the creators did say at one point that the Beowolves (the ones we see the most of) are the weakest Grimm.

I'm hoping the justification will simply be that the Grimm farther from the cities are weaker, and the Grimm team RNJR encounters in transit prove legitimately threatening.

I think it'll be the other way around. The Grimm further away from the cities will be stronger.

Also Coco and her team have a years worth of experience on RWBY and JNPR.

Are they definitely only a year older than RWBY? The fans keep saying that, but I can't find anything the creators have said to confirm how much older CFVY actually is.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#37443: Aug 14th 2016 at 10:25:54 AM

[up]"CFVY (pronounced "Coffee") is a second-year team of students from Beacon Academy."

Emphasis mine. They're 18 to RWBY's 17 (and 15)

edited 14th Aug '16 10:26:10 AM by BlackSunNocturne

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#37444: Aug 14th 2016 at 10:32:21 AM

They were introduced as a bunch cool cats...later becoming just as effective as everyone else.

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#37445: Aug 14th 2016 at 10:54:27 AM

This is for the most part, a family friendly show. Mand K are explicitly ordered to keep the language PG (most we've got is an occasional Damn or two) unlike most of the other Cluster F-Bomb RT shows, and they were afraid Penny's destruction would be vetoed for being too graphic.

As a result they likely can't show regular citizens getting mauled apart by Grimm.

edited 14th Aug '16 10:54:52 AM by AJSthe2nd

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#37446: Aug 14th 2016 at 10:58:04 AM

"family friendly"

No. It's not. It was never intended to be a family friendly show. People started watching the show with their kids and telling RT about it

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#37447: Aug 14th 2016 at 11:06:10 AM

It seemed family friendly, at the very first glance.

First Season you could say is reasonably light, but the undertones in Season 2 are noticeable. You could likely find something in Season 1 as well.

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#37448: Aug 14th 2016 at 11:06:17 AM

Even from the start there was no graphic violence or profanity or sexual content. That was what Monty and RT were going for, the PG atmosphere of a shonen anime. They were shooting for the anime crowd, not little kids (although Monty likely knew they'd watch too) but violent mauling was never in the cards.

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#37449: Aug 14th 2016 at 11:15:18 AM

Does it really look like anyone here is advocating for anything remotely gore-like?

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#37450: Aug 14th 2016 at 11:17:58 AM

Well considering it's suggested we should see the Grimm attacking townspeople, which typically involves slashing and eating them....yeah kinda.


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