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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#36826: Jul 13th 2016 at 12:41:27 AM

the issue is one of tone, actually, I remenber Droy explain this way back in the thread(so yeah, he can actually do other thing bseide dark jokes) about dissonace between the setting and the chararters, RWBY try to do the same thing Gravity falls or Steven universe of having a cute setting with reaching and quite darker implications.

Byt so far they didnt do a good job about it and for the two season there was a big dissonace in how the setting treat issue and how the chararter react to that,

Grimm are all over the world? well this four girl will kick butt!

Faunus discrimination? is bad thing only clear baddy does!

Villians? saturday moring capacity, when they do evil things and good guy beat them!

and all that until thing change volume 3, white fang pull a surprise atack and move away with issue, the hero tryt three time to big th bad guys(Ruby vs Roman,Yang vs Adam, Phyrra vs Cinder) and three time they pull back(Roman show Ruby the good old ultraviolence, Adam show Yang the edgy point if his sword and Cinder burn Phyrra to crips) Atlas action get show as shaddy and ineficient,same as Ozpin.

So if there is any discrimination of Faunus, chance are we will see new light in Voulme 4 but it will be jarring by the tone shift

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#36827: Jul 13th 2016 at 12:43:21 AM

Hey, I can do a lot of things other than making dark jokes.

I can also make sex jokes. evil grin

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#36828: Jul 13th 2016 at 12:45:23 AM

That is true, isn't it? Hard to make the Grimm feel like a threat when we spend all our time with the super-humans trained to kill them.

And Faunus discrimination is mitigated by the comrades-in-arms aspect that very same situation would foster.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36829: Jul 13th 2016 at 12:47:09 AM

There should be a rare breed of Purple Grimm...called Grimmace.

All they can do is inconvenience the helpless civilians by stealing food...mostly their burgers.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#36830: Jul 13th 2016 at 12:47:42 AM

The students were living in a bubble, tucked away from the problems of the real world, basically.

I remember one of the writers mentioning that the first three seasons all are essentially the opening act of the larger story. To put that into a more traditionally fantasy scenario, this was all the first chapter where our young heroes are living peacefully in their quaint little village before the bad guy's evil army came and burned it all down. Now we've got the plot going, where the heroes have to set out on their journey to rescue the kidnapped villagers or find the mystic sword or whatever.

[up] You make the Hamburglar sad.

edited 13th Jul '16 12:48:28 AM by Parable

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36831: Jul 13th 2016 at 12:50:45 AM

One of the three primary emotions, it's not my fault he didn't exist first.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#36832: Jul 13th 2016 at 12:52:08 AM

Ronald as a Grimm becomes Pennywise the Clown.

edited 13th Jul '16 12:52:19 AM by Parable

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#36833: Jul 13th 2016 at 12:57:10 AM

...and it will be just as ineffective at killing people as Grimm naturally already are.

But maybe it'll trigger some hunter's arachnophobia.

edited 13th Jul '16 12:57:57 AM by randomness4

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#36834: Jul 13th 2016 at 12:58:21 AM

What if he kills them with calories?

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#36835: Jul 13th 2016 at 12:58:30 AM

"The students were living in a bubble, tucked away from the problems of the real world, basically. "

the issue is narrative focus on that, grimm where mooks because it focus in how many awsome ways girl kick them down, therefore there is dissonace, I call that the pokemon syndrome, which explain why there so many dark fics around them. if your setting have conflicting views them it was going to happen

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36836: Jul 13th 2016 at 1:00:20 AM

[up][up]Thas a dangerous thought, but he won't get the vegans.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#36837: Jul 13th 2016 at 1:04:45 AM

Not even if Grimm'Donalds sells Grimm'Salads?

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#36838: Jul 13th 2016 at 1:13:34 AM

You know, for a LONG time I was hoping for a humanoid Grimm.

Now Salem is heavily implied to be one...I'm not too impressed. Here's hoping that she shows some action in Season 4.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#36839: Jul 13th 2016 at 1:16:47 AM

[up][up]Maybe some will fall victim to the temptress of a fresh salad, but I don't think everyone's a fool.

[up]It's the design.

edited 13th Jul '16 1:17:27 AM by randomness4

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#36840: Jul 13th 2016 at 1:24:53 AM

I was hoping something along the line of this.

Oh shut up, you all knew this was coming. evil grin

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#36841: Jul 13th 2016 at 2:00:48 AM

On the issue of dissonance between the tone and themes, I personally disagree, because a major theme throughout RWBY (made clear through certain character interactions and the soundtrack) is the loss of innocence.

Volumes 1 & 2 is the build up to it, with Ozpin mentioning multiple times how what he's doing (teaching these innocent youngsters how to fight so as to use them as soldiers in a much foreshadowed war to come) as a necessary evil. He knows not everyone will survive, and practically no one will come out unscathed, but he needs to do it in order to ensure the safety of the world.

"Do you honestly believe that your children can fight a war?"

"I sincerely hope they never have to."

War changes people, and Ozpin knows this. His main concern is which of these youngsters will come out stronger and help him fight this war, and which of them will just break under the pressure.

So Volumes 1 & 2 show the characters in their bottled up happy times, ignorant to the true ways of the world, while the villain's plans were set in motion, and at the same time the show built up who these characters were and their individual, much smaller, personable troubles so that we can relate to them. We know who Ruby and Yang are, we understand why they feel what they feel and what their goals and aspirations are.

Then Volume 3 happened and shit hit the fan, as you all know. Now, we finally see the fruits of RWBY's core theme; the trauma affects our main characters in various ways and we see how they react to it. Yang, in particular, is hit the hardest, when previously she was one of the cheeriest, most easy-going main characters, she now stops caring altogether. In contrast, Ruby chooses to use the trauma she experienced to motivate her to fight the evils of the world head on. They both saw the dark side of the world and lost their innocence, but while Ruby came out stronger, Yang wasn't prepared.

That's my interpretation anyway. And yeah, we'll have to wait and see if Volume 4 makes good on all this by showing us more of the actual negative consequences of the worldbuilding we've been shown so far.

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#36842: Jul 13th 2016 at 2:17:26 AM

???

Well, yeah, there was this constant mention of world under threat and possibility of loss of innocence. But they were all told instead of being shown, so in Season 1 and 2 those were definitely nothing but Informed Attribute and there was definitely a dissonance.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36843: Jul 13th 2016 at 2:25:10 AM

The main characters and others were so ignorant to the ways of the cruel world...we don't even get to see how it affects anyone else.

We saw the world through their rose-tinted eyeballs, which is usually fine but not always. The shift was just as abrupt to them as it was to us.

edited 13th Jul '16 2:26:55 AM by randomness4

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#36844: Jul 13th 2016 at 2:28:46 AM

I've been saying this for a while, but I wish that we had prominent characters who was a civilian or otherwise had no training whatsoever, showing how the world is really like through their eyes, especially when it come to Grimm.

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#36845: Jul 13th 2016 at 2:31:20 AM

As I said, it was build up. They used that time to introduce us to the characters. We were ignorant of how dark things were so that we'd be in the same boat as the main characters, and feel what they felt when Volume 3's finale dropped.

I think I worded it wrong. It's not that the dissonance wasn't there, it's that I feel it was justified and helped enhance the core theme.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36846: Jul 13th 2016 at 2:37:35 AM

Their world view getting shattered was inevitable, but how the real world actually is isn't something that needs to be built up, it just needs to be there...in the background even. Something that the MCs conveniently never notice.

Like it's understandable that they don't notice because the problems aren't as severe in their location as it is anywhere else.

edited 13th Jul '16 2:38:55 AM by randomness4

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#36847: Jul 13th 2016 at 2:41:14 AM

To be perfectly honest, at the the time I typed all that out, I was angry at something else entirely and needed something to distract myself.

And also an excuse to blurt out that spiel about the central theme.

Sorry bout that folks.

edited 13th Jul '16 2:41:37 AM by LatverianBadger

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#36848: Jul 13th 2016 at 2:54:49 AM

Your extra fluff was necessary to the discussion, mang.

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#36849: Jul 13th 2016 at 2:56:53 AM

Happy to contribute.

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#36850: Jul 13th 2016 at 4:06:16 AM

I want papa Ruby to kill the Maidens and become the Avatar

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