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#36376: Jul 4th 2016 at 2:55:15 PM

Being evil for the sake of it is just another tool to use for writing, it can be done in a way thats good or bad.

Dr. Weil, for instance, is a good version of the trope.

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#36377: Jul 4th 2016 at 3:04:38 PM

You can perfectly well be an abuser without knowing it. People who grew up in fucked up situations, were abused themselves, or simply never learned how to properly socialized, can be emotionally manipulative to their partners without realizing it.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36378: Jul 4th 2016 at 3:07:20 PM

See I just disagree with that logic.

I mean Adam's probably going to end up being killed anyway. So might as well make him a rapey abuser? I mean he hates one of the heroes (and the rest of them by proxy) and is a major thorn in the idea of Faunus and Humans getting along because he wants humanity to be brought down and suffer, so he's a major obstacle that needs to be dealt with. And I highly doubt he'll have a change of heart.

To deviate somewhat, there was a thread about a show that had a character who was affiliated with a terrorist group. Said group was founded from Naziism, but as someone else quickly pointed out, the organization had long since abandoned its Nazi origin. They were still bad people granted, but calling them Nazis was just incorrect. We had a character affiliated with them who not only wasn't a Nazi, he intentionally screwed the group over. Now he was still a scumbag, but calling him a Nazi, again, was incorrect. But because there was a percentage of fans who simply disliked the character, he might as well have been a Nazi. Because Nazis are bad so the association is easy.

Why do we only make that distinction when it's a protagonist? I'm usually not one for political correctness but this bugs me. There shouldn't be a Hand Wave, "Oh well Adam is pretty much an antagonist to all the known characters, he ''might as well be a rapey abuser."

If we took every socially awkward person and compared their characteristics to arrested criminals with similar characteristics, do we automatically label those people criminals/basement dwellers/rapists because they might as well be? No, there's other possibilities to consider.

If Weiss hadn't explained herself in the Volume 1 finale, what would our opinions of her be like? If we didn't see her facial expression when she's around her father and her sister in later seasons, wouldn't she be the snooty rich girl with no other characteristics?

I don't think we should ever just "lump" characters that way. Unless that's absolutely what they're supposed to be, or at least until they've been killed off for x reason.

edited 4th Jul '16 3:38:48 PM by Soble

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#36379: Jul 4th 2016 at 3:24:31 PM

That wasn't really the point, which was more against saying that Adam shouldn't be a rapist or abuser because that would make him irredeemably evil and they'd have to kill him off isn't really valid when by all accounts he'll be very evil and killed off anyway. They've got nothing to lose by doing it, so why not?

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36380: Jul 4th 2016 at 3:32:17 PM

They've got nothing to lose by doing it, so why not?

Edited the comment a bit but:

They've got nothing to lose by doing it, so why not?

And that's what I'm fixed on.

Why should they? What do they gain?

If that's the mentality, does that mean when it's time for Cinder to die, she should admit to eating babies just to cement her evil-ness?

edited 4th Jul '16 3:38:06 PM by Soble

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#36381: Jul 4th 2016 at 3:34:09 PM

Honestly, now that I think on it, Adam is kind of similar to Malcolm X.

Leader in a civil right's movement whose faction became violent, very staunchly anti-other race... I think the only difference is Malcolm X eventually realized that the violent radicalism isn't the way.

edited 4th Jul '16 3:36:39 PM by BlackSunNocturne

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#36382: Jul 4th 2016 at 3:35:39 PM

[up][up]Apparently being an abuser isn't enough, writers gotta go the extra mile in order to make fans really hate the guy.

edited 4th Jul '16 3:36:04 PM by randomness4

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#36383: Jul 4th 2016 at 3:41:26 PM

Okay question: Where'd the rape part come from?

All that was ever stated about Adam was that he was abusive to Blake in the past.

-checks previous pages-

Soble, I like how you're the one complaining about the whole "Adam is a psycho abusive rapist" thing, but no-one ever brought up rape until you did last page. Ironic no?

edited 4th Jul '16 3:42:22 PM by BlackSunNocturne

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#36384: Jul 4th 2016 at 3:42:09 PM

Evil is not something you can easily say is a person's mindset. Several villains believe they are in the right. Rarely baddies like Frieze or Darksied want to kill for the evilz.

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#36385: Jul 4th 2016 at 3:53:57 PM

With how much the fandom likes to shoehorn sex into the show, going from "emotionally abusive jerk" to "rapist" is to be expected.

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#36386: Jul 4th 2016 at 3:55:03 PM

Let me remind you of Qrow raping Grimm.

Blame Droy

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#36387: Jul 4th 2016 at 3:55:19 PM

[up][up][up][up] The difference being that Malcom had very justifiable reasons for his radical attitude, even if it wasn't necessarily the correct way of going about it.

We don't know enough about the Faunus or Adam to really understand if his attitude is justified or not. Or at least a logical progression of his character based on his experiences.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#36388: Jul 4th 2016 at 4:01:01 PM

Uhh... we do know about Faunus discrimination though?

Like, Doctor Oobleck did have an Infodump on that, though apparently the FNDM believes in Show, Don't Tell on this, and since the only discrimination seen was Cardin being The Bully, there's no discrimination against Faunus.

Also, there was the whole discussion between Weiss and Blake on it.

I mean, this is copy & pasted from the RWBY Wiki but still:
Put inside a note for space 

Present Day
In spite of any gains they made during the revolution, Faunus still tend to be treated like animals or second-class citizens by some Humans, and are shown as still trying to gain equality.

This discrimination is exemplified by Cardin Winchester tormenting Velvet. Children are allowed to attend at least some schools with members of other races, but may be at risk of bullying from their non-Faunus peers.

Bartholomew Oobleck attributes the continuing racial tensions between Humans and the Faunus to the discrimination they have faced, also believing it to be the cause of ongoing conflicts in the present. A group of Faunus known as the White Fang have been in bloody conflict with the Schnee Dust Company for the past three generations of the company's leadership. Because of this conflict, Weiss Schnee held a great deal of animosity towards the Faunus in general. Weiss also claims that White Fang's objective is the eradication of mankind. Roman Torchwick confirms this in the episode "Painting the Town...", saying that their goals are to completely eliminate or subjugate humankind and establish a reign of Faunus supremacy: overthrowing human rule by destroying their government, military, and Huntsmen schools; and collapsing the pillars of human society.

So yeah, Adam also has a justifiable, albeit heavily misguided, reason for his radical attitude.

edited 4th Jul '16 4:07:13 PM by BlackSunNocturne

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#36389: Jul 4th 2016 at 4:07:50 PM

Discrimination may only come from the rich...otherwise, they may as well be in the 80s.

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#36390: Jul 4th 2016 at 4:22:02 PM

(reads all this nonsense about rape and shit)

WTF?

Y'all should take a break from tumblr; I think the madness of the FNDM there has leaked here lmao

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#36391: Jul 4th 2016 at 4:24:30 PM

Still better than talking about shipping.

Hell all this rape talk ties up with ANOTHER ship.

Jeez [lol][lol][lol]

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#36392: Jul 4th 2016 at 4:27:41 PM

I'm pretty sure we were talking about racism...not rake.

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#36393: Jul 4th 2016 at 4:44:14 PM

Rake? Yang rakes the leaves around her house while she's recovering. It helps her to get used to only having one arm. She will later use a rake as her new weapon.

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#36394: Jul 4th 2016 at 9:54:26 PM

" How Adam acted towards Blake in Volume 3, plus with how he spoke to her, implies he was likely an emotional abuser instead of a physical one."

the catsplap he give and kick implies diferent, granted Blake wasnt in her best moment right there(does she have a best moment actually?)

And I think Adam is more a controling guy, someone who is so dead set in a idea that will punish Blake for no doing enought

""Blake has to beat her awful abusive boyfriend and then make sweet love to Yang" "

THAT was my main fear when Adam apear actually, the whole scene since set so Yang and Blake can beat Adam, consider how other villian like him turn out(Hello kylo ren, hello Grant ward), good thing he avert that, praise the edgelord!

"I mean Adam's probably going to end up being killed anyway. So might as well make him a rapey abuser? "

Because label the chararter and abuser or racist are consider writer shortcut to make a villian despicable for nothing more that audience reaction "this chararter sound rapey, flayed him Blake, go!", also it clash with him being violent extremist and will throw whatever sympathic for white fang(if they still have some at this point) out of the window

"With how much the fandom likes to shoehorn sex into the show"

Well is show about four girls and one of the villian have some conection to it and have like douche, it was bound to happen.

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#36395: Jul 4th 2016 at 10:08:56 PM

...but no one wants Black to defeat our Edge lord and savior anyway.

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#36396: Jul 4th 2016 at 10:10:42 PM

[up]No, they want YANG to beat the living shit of it, maybe after being done with Mercury, right now Adam is in the "I want him dead" zone, at least with the fandom

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#36397: Jul 4th 2016 at 10:21:32 PM

For the love of god: Can you please call her Blake?

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#36398: Jul 4th 2016 at 10:23:00 PM

Of course they want Yang to defeat him, she's the one who actually lost to him...like how she lost to the mute chick, and technically lost to Merc.

Yang's the only character who has actual "rivals" to defeat...not sure what to call them.

[up]I'll use it less often until it dies out.

edited 4th Jul '16 10:26:58 PM by randomness4

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#36399: Jul 4th 2016 at 11:17:26 PM

[up]I know, but Adam behivor just put him in their shit list, it just about him losing, they want him ether dead or seriously punished for what it did, many here feel it cheapen the chararter into a pseudo romantic drama rather one about a radical group

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#36400: Jul 4th 2016 at 11:25:50 PM

I guess in this case it would've been better if..."Blake"...was right and Adam along with his terrorist group were hilariously misguided, they'd have to be if they were to trust the obviously evil Flame lady with the obviously evil dress and a single emotion.

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