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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#36351: Jul 4th 2016 at 11:28:36 AM

[up][up][up] Well ya know, Evil Is Cool and all.

Villains usually just end up being much stylish compared to the squeaky clean heroes, and there's also Love to Hate as well.

There's a reason The Heavy was named "The Villain makes the Plot" for so long :V

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36352: Jul 4th 2016 at 12:03:23 PM

in complete rooting for the empire and I consider Adam maimed yang a crowing moment of awsome,

Seconded.

edited 4th Jul '16 12:03:55 PM by Soble

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36353: Jul 4th 2016 at 12:08:41 PM

Whenever a villain one-shots a main character, it can be "either or" on a positive negative scale.

At least it was a sword that took Yang out...

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36354: Jul 4th 2016 at 12:10:51 PM

Yang got taken out by an umbrella-wielding ballerina named after a flavor of ice cream.

I'm not sure what point I was trying to make with that, but it sounds funny when you say it out loud. Said fight scene is also my favorite fight scene in the entire show, next to Mercury whooping Coco and Yatsuhashi. So I'd say that was a good "heroine gets her ass whooped" scene.

edited 4th Jul '16 12:11:46 PM by Soble

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36355: Jul 4th 2016 at 12:20:36 PM

Ice Cream? I guess that explains the hair, but even though she's named after Ice Cream...I enjoy her presence anyway.

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#36356: Jul 4th 2016 at 12:44:00 PM

Looks like some you need to face the power of justice....

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#36357: Jul 4th 2016 at 12:49:25 PM

I mean, if they really wanted us to hate Adam, they shouldn't have given him such a cool ass fighting style and have him completely stomp arguably the strongest person of the four main characters.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36358: Jul 4th 2016 at 12:51:24 PM

Nah, she's the strongest...and most durable compared to R.W. and B. It's definitely not coincidental that she's the one who suffered a major crippling injury.

edited 4th Jul '16 12:51:53 PM by randomness4

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#36359: Jul 4th 2016 at 1:50:04 PM

Personally, I think that as far as Blake and Adam's relationship was abusive, it would've been so emotionally, not physically.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#36360: Jul 4th 2016 at 1:55:45 PM

[up]That too. How Adam acted towards Blake in Volume 3, plus with how he spoke to her, implies he was likely an emotional abuser instead of a physical one.

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#36361: Jul 4th 2016 at 1:58:12 PM

I myself want to believe that Adam wasn't intentionally abusive forwards Blake in any form. Just that the way he started to act started to create a rift between the two, but Adam himself never saw the problem. And when Blake turned on him, he didn't take it well because he thinks Blake is being ungrateful for what he has done.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36362: Jul 4th 2016 at 2:04:32 PM

[up][up]I'm pretty sure that kick and the pimp slap count as physical abuse even if they aren't together anymore, so on a more positive side...now he's both. Which will in turn make people want him to die even more, no sudden realization, no heroic sacrifice, just death for the wanted man.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36363: Jul 4th 2016 at 2:07:28 PM

[up] (4)

Yeah, but "abuse" is a trigger word. I don't think most people who hear "abusive relationship" care whether it was physical or emotional, it translates into "Adam must die the worst kind of death" because they've been in an abusive relationship before. They see everything that they saw in their abusive partner in the character, regardless of whether or not it's actually there.

I think there's a switch when you tag certain characters with Abuse Tropes and Rape Tropes. A writer has to be very careful about flicking that switch.

You can't make a character a little rapey, a little abusive and treat it as perfectly normal (well sometimes you can.). You can't make them all cool and interesting and downplay that part of their personality, because then you've written a Karma Houdini. The Comedian is probably the only example I know of where there's any sort of sympathy for the abuser (and that largely due to the violent manner in which he died). You can't just kill them off because that's a waste of a character.

I would genuinely hate it if Adam is just "Blake's abusive ex-boyfriend that existed solely to be a horrible, irredeemable person and to be killed by Blake."

But on the other hand, maybe that's the opposite of Bury Your Gays where the homosex relationship (Bumblebee) is beneficial, while the hetero relationship (Beauty and Beast) is clearly negative because of the psycho-boyfriend. So I guess that's something.

edited 4th Jul '16 2:29:15 PM by Soble

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36364: Jul 4th 2016 at 2:12:48 PM

NVM...

edited 4th Jul '16 2:13:30 PM by randomness4

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#36365: Jul 4th 2016 at 2:13:36 PM

Well, abusers can easily not realize they are being abusive. Doesn't excuse them. And even if it was framed in an unequal perspective (the slap when she was on her knees, especially), both Adam and Blake are skilled fighters and they had their weapons drawn, so I wouldn't quite put it down as just regular ole spouse-beating.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#36366: Jul 4th 2016 at 2:16:03 PM

[up][up][up]It's not "Beauty and the Beast" it's Tauradonna.... or Animal Abuse

[up]This too

edited 4th Jul '16 2:16:37 PM by BlackSunNocturne

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36367: Jul 4th 2016 at 2:18:18 PM

[up][up]You can't "not" be aware if you're emotionally abusing someone, that stuff tends to involve emotional manipulation.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36368: Jul 4th 2016 at 2:18:46 PM

Animal abuse? [lol]

I prefer Beauty and the Beast, but that's funnier.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#36369: Jul 4th 2016 at 2:22:07 PM

[up][up]Emotional Abuse via neglect is a thing.

[up]That was the FNDM's new name for it after RT revealed Adam was abusive to Blake.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#36370: Jul 4th 2016 at 2:22:30 PM

I'm hoping this goes in a different direction than just "Blake has to beat her awful abusive boyfriend and then make sweet love to Yang" cuz that's really gonna turn me off if that ends up being true. What I really want is for Adam to be fleshed out just enough to know why he ended like he did, but not enough to excuse what he's done. A more "I feel you dog, but you still need to go down"

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36371: Jul 4th 2016 at 2:25:27 PM

Blake has to beat her awful abusive boyfriend and then make sweet love to Yang"

I'm... I'm actually perfectly okay with this route.

edited 4th Jul '16 2:26:06 PM by Soble

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36372: Jul 4th 2016 at 2:26:46 PM

[up][up][up]Thas not whas happening with Black, she's a tortured soul that needs cleansing.

[up]What about an ending where she ends up with another blonde haired character?

edited 4th Jul '16 2:27:48 PM by randomness4

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#36373: Jul 4th 2016 at 2:27:14 PM

Well neither am I, but I hope they make it sound less like a bad Hurt/Comfort Fic.

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#36374: Jul 4th 2016 at 2:49:14 PM

I mean Adam's probably going to end up being killed anyway. So might as well make him a rapey abuser? I mean he hates one of the heroes (and the rest of them by proxy) and is a major thorn in the idea of Faunus and Humans getting along because he wants humanity to be brought down and suffer, so he's a major obstacle that needs to be dealt with. And I highly doubt he'll have a change of heart.

I'm sure he'll get backstory that says he was a good kid and wouldn't be like this if that mean old world didn't push him around so much like most of the other villains probably will (which is good because being evil for the hell of it is bad writing) but that no excuse for him doing bad stuff and wanting to cause really bad stuff to happen to world and thus he needs to pay for it.

Though I'm not too keen on Blake killing him, because if she does that basically proves her right that only she can deal with her past and she has to push everyone else away to deal with it herself. which won't exactly be good for her future relationships with everyone.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36375: Jul 4th 2016 at 2:52:34 PM

They can be evil for the sake of it, if all they want to do is rule the world...but no one wants that. We've already got Ms. Flame lady to fill that role.

[up]Black killing him alone is the bad thing.

Also no one ever talks about Ren...whas his deal?

edited 4th Jul '16 2:54:11 PM by randomness4

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