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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#35901: Jun 13th 2016 at 3:31:39 AM

(˜–˜): Oh...right, that happened. Reflexes.

edited 13th Jun '16 3:32:10 AM by randomness4

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35902: Jun 13th 2016 at 4:28:43 AM

Black

Snowflake

Yanga

I know what you're doing here. They're not going to stick! Just... just use their names.

edited 13th Jun '16 4:32:58 AM by Soble

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#35903: Jun 13th 2016 at 5:14:54 AM

I don't know where you got Yanga from, surprisingly that might actually be an unintentional typo.

Also they don't have to stick, as long as you know who I'm referring to...it's fine.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#35904: Jun 13th 2016 at 3:33:36 PM

I want to see a teacher skit where the teachers we've seen on screen meet in the staff room (there's got to be a staff room somewhere, right?) to try and figure out if there's something nefarious going on in the school to explain why there appear to only be three teachers - with everyone worried that Professor Peach is somehow never seen... cue Ironwood kicking off a hunt to prove Ozpin is behind it all.

They made jokes at the expense of the Volume 1 shadow people. I want some jokes about the apparent complete lack of teachers in the school!

On that note... it's nice to finally have confirmation that Professor Peach is female.

My guess is that Professor Peach is not inspired by James and the Giant Peach but by Princess Peach from the Mario games. Professor Peach may be a botanist considering the field trip the class went on and Princess Peach is from the Mushroom Kingdom.

edited 13th Jun '16 3:43:27 PM by Wyldchyld

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#35905: Jun 13th 2016 at 3:54:59 PM

Mushrooms aren't plants though.

Unless they still count for botany stuff?

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#35907: Jun 13th 2016 at 5:10:18 PM

Personally, I'd like to see a skit lampooning how no one can tell Cinder is too old to be attending school and how no one can tell she's clearly the bad guy of the whole story.

WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#35908: Jun 13th 2016 at 5:33:47 PM

[up][up][up]Maybe Professor Peach is a biology teacher in general?

edited 13th Jun '16 5:35:31 PM by WillDeRegio

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35909: Jun 14th 2016 at 4:35:07 AM

This show's musical production scares me, feel like its gonna run out of steam if the show goes on too long. I've said it before, but thinking back on Volume 3, the song usage is troubling.

What is RWBY about at its core, what are theme? I'd say its color, creativity - those things are literally woven into the setting - as well as music. Music is one of the strongest parts of RWBY, say whatever you will about the plot or character development, lack thereof, or the way certain scenes look, no one complaints about the music, Casey and Jeff are talented singers/songwriters.

And its not their performance that will run out of stream, its their lyrics. First time I heard Red Like Roses, that song was incredible, I really wanted to know what it was called. Soundtrack comes out, people put it on Youtube, I listen to it a hundred times. This song is never used again. But this song seemed to say a lot about Ruby.

Songs are important in RWBY because they provide (or provided) exposition and backstory on the characters. Most of the songs are about someone. Red Like Roses highlighted things about Ruby (or Yang) that we didn't know about. And it fit because the scene it was used in focused on Ruby slaying the Nevermore.

CFVY's first big fight scene had Caffeine, its catchy, its fast, its all about this team, they're high-octane, they're straight outta' Beacon.

But then Volume 3, the scene with the Paladin and Velvet, used I May Fall. That song wasn't used earlier in the show, but I'd heard it in the Volume 1 soundtrack. There's no real telling who its about, it might be spun off of Monty's personal philosophy or something. But the scene it went with, had nothing to do with the song's lyrics, nor did it focus on Velvet.

Some of the best songs in RWBY seem to rely on creating dissonance between the character they're alluding to, and what we currently know about them. Red Like Roses on Ruby's missing mom, I Burn, Yang's thrill-seeking nature, Mirror Mirror and Its My Turn on Weiss's childhood, Die and From Shadows on Blake's true nature.

First time I heard Die. Its about, or at least related to, Blake and the White Fang. The team's fighting Roman in the Paladin, after he was giving a speech at a White Fang rally. That volume's plot is about the White Fang. It fits.

Boop, its a great song, but can you honestly imagine a Frozen-esque scene where Nora serenades Ren? No? I can't think of too many other ways that song will be used.

Sacrifice, great song, did it have anything to do with Volume 2? The mood of the song certainly fit, the lyrics didn't.

There are songs like I'm The One and It's My Turn that go well with the scenes that they're in, there's the remixes like Mirror Mirror Part II, Red Like Roses Part II, the funky remix of I Burn, those are all great.

But Rooster Teeth is known for a series that's gone on for 14 seasons now. We don't, and won't know how long Monty planned for RWBY to go on for, but I don't think they can keep this musical genius up if they keep pushing out phenomenal songs (a weird thing to say, yes) for another 10 seasons. Could you imagine Red Like Roses Parts 4-6? How long should a song go on for? How many songs can they make that will accurately, dramatically highlight an aspect of a character? How many songs can they make about Blake's relationship to Adam and the White Fang, and how often will those songs be used?

They should scale back how much music they put in each volume, don't force Casey or Jeff to burn all that energy, use more ambient noise and songs like Destiny, Red Like Roses Part I, PVP.

Me, someone who doesn't create music, I've always wondered what does a songwriter do when they don't have any inspiration? They might do a variety of things to get ideas, but what if, no matter what you do, you're just ripping music from someone else? There shouldn't be a limit to human creativity, but, there's only so many instruments you can play before you're just creating the same kind of sound, right? I write for a hobby. When you write/read a story these days, you're bound to hit upon at least one or two tropes or cliches that someone else has used - granted it doesn't stop me from using those ideas, but I think its a lot harder to notice repetitions between literature and prose than music. If you use too many orchestral/lyrical themes, aren't you doomed to run out?

Anyway, the placement of certain songs, the seeming importance of the songs in RWBY, has me concerned that they're overdoing it a little. I never get why TV shows/anime have soundtracks full of these amazing songs that never get used in the show proper, that could be days worth of practice and recording the artist put into the song that never gets used, and then show goes on for 6 more seasons and we need a new opening and ending and leitmotif. Or maybe only a portion of that song is used. Some TV shows do seem to get this, often having the same song/beat going for seasons on end, just changing the visual. Dexter for instance, much as I hated it at the time, 8 seasons with the same "da na na na na na na na naaaa. Da na na nah nana naaaah." and the little 'ding' at the end.That just seems more economical. It might be at the expense of the music artist, since they don't have a job creating new songs for you.

Not that RWBY's necessarily guilt of all this yet, I could see a couple of songs in the soundtracks that weren't used being used later. Most of the ones in Volume 3's that I've heard on Youtube were used in the actual volume, I think.

But then, maybe not. I saw at least two songs on there that weren't used.

EDIT: Actually, looking at the Vol 3 soundtrack on RT 4 C, funny enough, I think they might even agree. I see a lot more songs on there that are just instruments, no words.

edited 14th Jun '16 10:13:03 AM by Soble

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#35910: Jun 14th 2016 at 4:42:15 AM

I, for one, can't remember ever listening any of the songs on their own. Like, any of them.

Only sometimes posts
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35911: Jun 14th 2016 at 4:44:14 AM

I've listened to Boop, Red Like Roses, I May Fall, and Its My Turn close to 30 times by now. They're great mood-lifters at work.

That's actually another point. When I May Fall came on in Volume 3, I'd already listened to it a bunch of times, so the big reveal scene didn't really do as much as say Yang's Semblance reveal did, or Team CFVY's introduction - Die and Caffeine were amazing in those scenes. Thus, reusing older songs from the soundtrack can have a smaller effect. Better to introduce a song in a volume's soundtrack and use it, rather than throw it in there and use it next season. Recycling is bad.

Of course, that's partly my fault for listening to the soundtrack too many times.

And I know there are some that have listened to those soundtracks more than I.

edited 14th Jun '16 4:47:44 AM by Soble

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#35912: Jun 14th 2016 at 4:45:29 AM

People still listen to music?

With lyrics even?

[up][up]I wouldn't go out of my way to do such.

edited 14th Jun '16 5:08:45 AM by randomness4

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#35913: Jun 14th 2016 at 5:17:02 AM

I listen to the vocal tracks from the OST quite frequently because they're freaking awesome. Hell, "Caffeine" is my ringtone.

[up] I do hope you're joking.

Just like how when you write/read a story these days, you're bound to hit upon at least one or two tropes or cliches that someone else has used. If you use too many orchestral/lyrical themes, aren't you doomed to run out?

Yes but go browse through a few of the indices on here. You don't need to brows through the trope pages, just see how many tropes there are. Stories can use basically any combination of those tropes. Music, as well, can use basically any combination of those tropes for their lyrics if they bother to tell a story (which they rarely do). Even if humanity somehow used up every single possible combination, no one's going to have been exposed to them all so it's nothing to worry about.

On the instrumentation side of things, a similar principal applies. I believe someone actually did the math of how much original music there was and, even with quite a few parameters narrowing it down, that number was staggering. As someone who listens to quite a lot of music from a lot of different genres, so long as they don't singularly focus on one genre (which they don't), they don't have anything to really worry about.

edited 14th Jun '16 5:23:20 AM by Zelenal

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#35914: Jun 14th 2016 at 8:16:11 AM

Mushrooms aren't plants though.

Unless they still count for botany stuff?

Back in my biology days, the mycologists were associated with the botany department, and the mycology classes were always part of the botany modules.

That's less likely now that the relationship between fungi and animals are better understood, but I'm actually thinking of Professor Peach as a biologist, rather than anything more specific. As to why I typed 'botanist' instead of 'biologist', chalk that up my typing suffering a brainfart.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35915: Jun 14th 2016 at 10:41:55 AM

Music, as well, can use basically any combination of those tropes for their lyrics if they bother to tell a story (which they rarely do). Even if humanity somehow used up every single possible combination, no one's going to have been exposed to them all so it's nothing to worry about.

On the instrumentation side of things, a similar principal applies. I believe someone actually did the math of how much original music there was and, even with quite a few parameters narrowing it down, that number was staggering.

It doesn't seem like RWBY has that kind of freedom though.

They're using the same types of sounds, telling the same story and character bits, for the main girls at least. I'm no music expert but:

  • Red Like Roses parts 1 and 2, loud, percussion, fairy tale-esque, hard rock - Ruby thinks she's hot stuff in Volume 1 and the music goes along with that. She's not a social person, part 1 doesn't have any words to it, part 2 has the singer screaming the words. I think there's drums and guitar in there.
  • Mirror Mirror parts 1 and 2, pianos, melodic, calming, solemn - Weiss is hurting on the inside, problems with her family, etc.
    • Granted, It's My Turn is nothing like Mirror, Mirror.
  • From Shadows/Die - I guess that's a more "electronic" sound, its cool, its sleek, its like a techno-ninja kind of sound (bad descriptors). Both songs seem to have a lot of regret in them - Blake is running from her past, she regrets what the WF became. The only difference is that Die gives me of a 'carnival' vibe whereas From Shadows sounds like it belongs in a Ninja Gaiden game.
  • I Burn - energetic, techno, fun, loud - Yang is pure fun and awesomeness and energy and euphoria. She's loud and her color's loud and she's in your face and she's funny.In Volume 2, Yang's crisis was not having a purpose, not having anything to channel that energy toward. Her song more than the others doesn't really say anything about her or what she wants.
    • Everyone else had two songs so far, Yang only has one.
    • Neon is bouncy and disco-y. Sumps up the character.
  • Boop was pretty much the only evidence we had about Ren and Nora's past until Volume 3, and even then.
  • Caffiene's telling you how awesome Team CFVY is.

Anyway, all these songs are tailored to characters and events, and they're doing that by being lyrically and instrumentally consistent. It might be possible for regular musicians to never run out of musical themes/genres to explore, they go to concerts across the country, worldwide, they sing about whatever they want, whatever they felt when they wrote it.

But I can't see a 'Ruby' song that would suddenly have harps or ukeleles or be about Ruby's love of cookies or something.

edited 14th Jun '16 10:57:30 AM by Soble

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#35916: Jun 14th 2016 at 11:08:24 AM

Yang did have a song about her love for her sister.

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#35918: Jun 14th 2016 at 12:44:47 PM

And All of Our Days.

I'd also question why you'd think Die is about Blake, but if you listen to the lyrics, Wings totally is.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#35919: Jun 14th 2016 at 1:54:03 PM

I never got the impression Die was about Blake either.

It seemed to be more about the students in general and the cross-roads in their lives (everyone's lives) that the first three volumes represents. They start their first day at Beacon thinking the world is theirs for the taking, and by the end of that very first year, the school is in ruins, there's a mysterious woman telling the world that everything they thought they knew is wrong and that their protectors are really their enemies, and suddenly the Grimm are everywhere, the White Fang is attacking and Atlas's robotic army is killing civilians and hunters alike.

Die pretty much summarises the kids' first year at Beacon - the innocence of childhood being shattered by the onset of a war most people didn't expect and don't understand the cause of.

edited 14th Jun '16 2:01:15 PM by Wyldchyld

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35920: Jun 14th 2016 at 2:01:38 PM

I forgot about Gold, didn't listen to it much and only heard it in the credits once.

Well, listening to this, that's certainly something different.

As for that [up] and [up][up], that's interesting, see I immediately thought of Blake.

it was just fine

we lived in peace

looked to a happy ending

the days were bright

they shined like gold

every step ascending

our dreams came true

our path was clear

the moon watched safely from above

What Blake wanted.

but every smile is not the same and every heart's not filled with.....

love for mankind

look around it's getting very hard to find

not every open wound is simply healed by time

but revenge is always sweet

and chaos is the prize

What Adam and the White Fang became. Also, using "mankind" makes me think it's from a Faunus's perspective. "Not every open wound", as Ozpin points out, they're trying to mend Human-Faunus relations despite basic racism from the former, and Blake points out they need to try harder. "Revenge is always sweet", I took that as meaning what Adam pursued, Blake heavily implied that Adam/the new leader wanted violent revolution.

I didn't see her at all in "Wings".

edited 14th Jun '16 7:53:57 PM by Soble

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#35921: Jun 14th 2016 at 2:16:33 PM

Your first part of the song is the innocence of childhood and the children stepping into a new school believing the world is their oyster...

... and the second part is the growing awareness of the kids' to the reality and the motives of the villains.

For the record, I think this song applies equally to everyone - the villains', too. As we see from the flashback episode, Cinder's eyes were opened at one point and then she opened Emerald and Mercury's eyes... how much is truth and how much is Salem's propaganda we'll have to see (it'll probably be a mixture).

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#35922: Jun 14th 2016 at 3:01:31 PM

I've rewatched ME vs CY and I'm the One on its own like a dozen times. I love those characters and the song is catchy as hell. Plus the fight is one of the best of the series.

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GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#35923: Jun 14th 2016 at 3:42:02 PM

Wings has lyrics such as:

Shadows
Seem to fill your mind

And:
I know you can't bear the thought of
Being stray
One more day


Wings is effectively about a person who has given up hope, and another person beseeching them to dry their eyes and hope again. With references to shadows and being stray, it sounds like Blake being inspired by someone else (probably Yang) after giving up on the White Fang.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35924: Jun 15th 2016 at 5:38:39 PM

Grimm Eclipse has changed quite a bit since I last saw it.

Highlights:

edited 15th Jun '16 6:10:44 PM by Soble

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#35925: Jun 15th 2016 at 5:45:18 PM

Man, it looks so much better.

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