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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#35726: Jun 6th 2016 at 9:51:02 PM

[up]Yeah, is one of the mayor complain of Cinder: she have the same smug,psuedo cryptic tone over and over and only change with that "WHAT" in the end, comparing to Roman who display diferent state, is pretty bad

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#35727: Jun 6th 2016 at 9:56:31 PM

[up] She did emote slightly when confronting Ozpin; there was some very distinct outrage/indignation in her voice, along with the clear implication that there's a lot more going on here than we actually know about.

I'm personally reserving judgement. Perhaps she's intended to be Stoic, or perhaps its poor voice direction/voice acting.

edited 6th Jun '16 9:59:15 PM by CaptainCapsase

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#35728: Jun 6th 2016 at 10:04:24 PM

[up]granted a lot of it is because they have keep her to much in the shadow but there are moment when she could lose the act for time, like when she is alone with Merc and Emerald or see her pretend more

With Roman you have: him being bad boss to his underling and white fangs, try to show off and impose to Merc and Emerald and being scared to Cinder, plus him annoy to Ruby insistent of being the hero

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#35729: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:23:56 AM

So after watching the latest episode, I have only one thing to ask: Where the heck is Nora?

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Prany Since: Apr, 2013
#35730: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:30:50 AM

[up][up]Why you think Cinder acts? Is it so hard to imagine someone, who can keep her shit to herself?

As for Complete Monster, does anyone even give a crap about this trope? It's one of those super popular tropes. It's thrown around like some sort of badge ("Look how extreme our villain is!") or insult ("This character did something vaguely evil that I didn't like").

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#35731: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:44:30 AM

[up][up]God that was...fucking awsome! yeah Adam is one of my favorite chararter, what I can said?tongue

[up]I dont really know, I mean there is barely hint of her backstory, I kept thinking something happen to her to distrust the system like she did and Salem "show her the truth" aside of that, I cant really tell

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Prany Since: Apr, 2013
#35732: Jun 7th 2016 at 10:08:39 AM

I think you're trying to respond, but I don't think you're doing very good job.

All I was saying is that some people don't show that much emotions. So what if Roman shows a lot and Cinder not so much. People are different. Let Roman be Roman and Cinder be Cinder!

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#35733: Jun 7th 2016 at 10:13:10 AM

[up]the issue is, Roman is charming and is ded and Cinder is boring and now have more powersad

Also people showing emotions in diferent moment allow them to be more naunce, right now aside from Hins she is pretty one dimensional villian, a fairle competent one but one dimensional nontheless

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Prany Since: Apr, 2013
#35734: Jun 7th 2016 at 10:41:20 AM

Opinion is opinion. If you don't like Cinder, I'm not gonna argue against that. Just one thing:

Also people showing emotions in diferent moment allow them to be more naunce

That's bullshit. Stoic characters can be just as nuanced as outspoken ones. It's just harder to show because showing it is on writer not character itself.

edited 7th Jun '16 10:45:22 AM by Prany

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#35735: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:12:48 AM

[up]I like cinder and in retrospect I like her speech because is brillaint in the way it make Ozpin and Ironwood look like fools without throwing condeming tone, that require skills

B Ut her personality leave to much to be desire as she is not even stoic, just have this pseudo mysterious aura about her, whch get old pretty fast.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#35736: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:42:18 AM

On the whole thing with Cinder being a Complete Monster:

Yes. She's been given no Freudian Excuse, no motivation other than "I want power and want to see the world burn". Hell, the only time we've seen any expression other than Smug Smiler on her was Pyrrha's "Do you believe in Destiny?" comment and Ruby's Traumatic Superpower Awakening. She's basically a Flat Character of a villain. She's too emotionless, tere's a difference between being The Stoic and having no personality, and Cinder is dangerously close to the latter.

Cinder is basically "What Not to Do When Writing A Villain: The Villain".

Hell, Rovagug is a more compelling villain than her, and he's a Flat Character Omnicidal Maniacnote 

edited 7th Jun '16 11:43:44 AM by BlackSunNocturne

TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#35737: Jun 7th 2016 at 11:49:58 AM

I don't know. Like aside of her plan going too perfectly for the liking, Cinder does her work as a villain well. And that is all what I ask for a villain. Heck, the biggest guessing I have made of her is that she is a Terrorist Without A Cause (okay, maybe not quite that, but in the sense she wants to flip the world upside down for simple reasons).

edited 7th Jun '16 11:52:01 AM by TPPR10

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#35738: Jun 7th 2016 at 12:02:33 PM

Usually with villian, people ask to things:

A good personality or a lest intersting and

being competent.

Roman have the first thing but not the second and Cinder viceversa as result people feel Roman is underused and Cinder is borderline villian sue

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#35739: Jun 7th 2016 at 1:09:12 PM

Cinder's more of a plot device than a character, which in a show like RWBY where the characters stand out because of their quirks, is not really a good thing. When the closest thing she has to that is the bad animation from her on the rooftops that's a problem.

Sure the way the story uses her makes her a potential interesting contrast to Ruby, but that's not her own merits, just the plot.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#35740: Jun 7th 2016 at 1:53:55 PM

[up]Yeah, so far she is pretty bland, making her plan feel like the plot and not her, she need more personality and more aspect of her.

Also I was thinking, if Honest trialer cover RWBY, what would you expect?

in my case it will be

"Starring:

-Waifu bait(Ruby)

-Goku(Yang)

-The other goku(Sun)

-Furry bait(Blake)

-Kylo ren(Adam)

-Hoitline voice(Cinder)

-Cliffhanger(Salem)

-Sasuke(Mercury)

-Dumbledore(Ozpin)

-Milf(Glynda)

-Best mother of the years(Raven)

-Drunke Qrow

-Ice queen(weiss)

-Ice boobs(W Inter)

-Dead woman waking(Phyrra)

-little Ultron(Penny)

-And more chararter you dont really give a shit(the rest)tongue

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#35741: Jun 7th 2016 at 3:44:34 PM

Cinder is a very generic villain - lacks strong emotional characterisation, lacks personality, no known back story, no known motive (the powerful/strong/feared comment is extremely generic, and is resolve, not motive; why she wants that is the motive, and we don't know why). She does have the freedom to adapt the plan in the field, but the show very strongly implies the plan is Salem's, and Cinder is working for Salem. As AJSthe2nd pointed out, Cinder's more plot device than character.

Anyway, the CM clean-up thread determined that she is a CM and she should be troped as that now, even if it's premature. If the show does give us information later on that invalidates her, she'll be reassessed at that point.

Edited to add: I just realised that I've pretty much described Cinder as a Generic Doomsday Villain or possibly Outside-Context Villain (since the main reason her plan worked is because no-one in-universe knew who she was).

edited 7th Jun '16 4:07:38 PM by Wyldchyld

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#35742: Jun 7th 2016 at 3:59:34 PM

Ruby, waifu bait? Nah.

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#35743: Jun 7th 2016 at 4:03:53 PM

That can to apply to almost everyone in the show.

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#35744: Jun 7th 2016 at 4:07:05 PM

Even Cardin?

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#35745: Jun 7th 2016 at 4:19:04 PM

Especially Cardin.

Appearance-wise, perhaps, but a lot of these characters are deeper than they first appear.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#35746: Jun 7th 2016 at 4:56:06 PM

I wonder if Cardin is a future Ironwood.

Ironwood does strike me as the kind of person who could have been a bit of a bully in his youth before straightening out. The original Tin Man (Nick Chopper) was ill-tempered and had a selfish streak. He learned how to be a much better person after he became a tin man and gained a heart.

I'm still hoping that the reason Cardin's team entered Beacon is because they have the potential to reform. It would be a better story than bullies... ending up evil and villainous.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#35747: Jun 7th 2016 at 5:32:50 PM

You mean a past Solidwood?

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#35748: Jun 7th 2016 at 6:03:46 PM

I thought Cardin and crew were there to show that not all hunter's are there to be the heroes that save people like Ruby, or redemption like Weiss or Blake, or even just there to fight but are still good people like Yang. Some of them are bullies and thugs, in it for the glory, or the power, or want to be superior to the normal guys in the world. And they can't be turned down, because everyone that can fight is useful. Which Qrow reinforced when he brought up that some of them are criminials or thugs for hire.

I think that one of Salem's goals in turning the people against the hunter system is also to turn the hunters against the people, pointing out why they should bother fighting and dying for people that turned on them the instant things didn't go according to plan, getting quite a few of them to let the Grimm kill villages out of spite if not join Salem and Cinder outright.

Though that probably won't be the case with Cardin, because they implied there was more to his character than that.

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#35749: Jun 7th 2016 at 6:53:19 PM

Winter vs Kopaka Nuva

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#35750: Jun 7th 2016 at 7:15:09 PM

God that was...fucking awsome! yeah Adam is one of my favorite chararter, what I can said?

The Edge Is Here To Stay. cool

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?

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