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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#35701: Jun 6th 2016 at 2:17:30 PM

[up][up]I was wondering if it was the DVD commentary. Did they say why they made that decision?

If they ever release those DV Ds in Region 2 format, I might buy them.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#35702: Jun 6th 2016 at 2:56:06 PM

"They can stretch in some other characteristics...fan-fic are free to free form until such knowledge is given proof in the pudding to public viewers. "

pretty much, is kind of weird to look early fan fiction

"If I took the lyrics of Sacrifice or Divide with absolute certainty, Cinder is a Complete Monster and I shouldn't think anything more of her, case closed, she's a heartless monster with no past. The lyrics of Red Like Roses imply Ruby is torn up on the inside over their lost mothers, the reality is quite different. "

Actually if we take sacrifice to heart them Ozpin is stupid idiot who risk everyone and RWBY is better without him and aparenly Cinder is freedom fighter, there is some truth but not the whole of it

and I think Ruby is somewhat torn up, but talk to the whole off-screenland syndrome

"Adam was exactly as bad as people thought, if not worse"

Well, people thought we will see and extremist, them we see him being bullied by Cinder....and them him being a creepy asshole and them and edgelored, Adam chararterization is all over the place

"When was it confirmed that the creators had to make up the Maidens later on and reworked the story for Volume 3? "

Is this happen? that explain the whole discussion about Ozpin a few page back, is case of retroactive shadyness

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#35703: Jun 6th 2016 at 5:15:44 PM

[up][up]I'm pretty sure all RT stuff is region free.

Regarding something Soble said last page, does anyone here think that Cinder's listing as a Complete Monster is premature. We really have no idea as to her motivations or backstory, only her goals and who she's working for (who is even more of an enigma).

Cross (Don’t ask)
#35704: Jun 6th 2016 at 5:17:45 PM

As far I'm concerned she is until proven otherwise.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35706: Jun 6th 2016 at 5:38:02 PM

[up][up] Basically, the manga implies that there are sort of like poltergeist-like Grimm

Well that... changes a lot.

[up] (3)

Is it on her character page, or YMMV section? If the latter, whatever, if the former, its not supposed to be there at all.

edited 6th Jun '16 5:38:18 PM by Soble

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TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#35707: Jun 6th 2016 at 5:43:50 PM

Isn't there a cleanup thread for Complete Monster? Take it up with them.

edited 6th Jun '16 5:46:52 PM by TheAirman

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35708: Jun 6th 2016 at 5:55:35 PM

Actually, looking at the YMMV page... I'm suddenly reminded why I don't look at the YMMV page.

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
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#35709: Jun 6th 2016 at 5:59:00 PM

What is it?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#35710: Jun 6th 2016 at 5:59:53 PM

That's what generally happens with things without a lot of oversight.

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#35711: Jun 6th 2016 at 6:03:22 PM

What's wrong with the YMMV page?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Cross (Don’t ask)
#35712: Jun 6th 2016 at 6:04:18 PM

It may need a bit of cleaning up.

edited 6th Jun '16 6:04:43 PM by Cross

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#35713: Jun 6th 2016 at 6:05:39 PM

How so?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35714: Jun 6th 2016 at 6:09:35 PM

[up] (5)

Well, other than the fat paragraphs, the ongoing lists, and the blanket statements, YMMV pages tend to be one of three things: a place to gush about a show, a place to subtly (or not so subtly) complain about a show, or a place to post theories and then pretend that most of the fanbase supports those theories.

It's all opinion, so unless there's natter or deliberate hate speech, you can't do anything about it. Thus you get the fat paragraphs, the run-on sentences, and all that wonderful verbal diarrhea. Best you can hope for is a general agreement that the page needs to be cleaned. '

Also, I am voting against the Complete Monster label.

edited 6th Jun '16 6:58:27 PM by Soble

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#35715: Jun 6th 2016 at 6:55:14 PM

She did far too much bad to be anything else, and no her maybe having a sad childhood doesn't excuse killing hundreds if not thousands of people and putting human civilization in severe danger. That's just a explanation, not a justification. Freddy Kruger and Sephiroth had explainations as to why they were such evil bastards, but that doesn't excuse their actions.

Saying we should wait until the show is over before saying stuff like that means you might as well just not trope anything still ongoing at all, because for all we know Weiss could turn out to be the evil mastermind behind the whole thing.

Is that likely? Not at all, but it's about as likely as the show saying it was ok for Cinder to do what she did, or otherwise somehow justify all that death and destruction.

Keep it.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#35716: Jun 6th 2016 at 7:12:38 PM

[up] It might not be just some "lol sad childhood" Freudian Excuse; the show has thus far kept details on the villains extremely close to its chest, and has given us some mixed messages regarding the Big Good. That to me implies there might very well be a twist regarding the villains' motives. I'm not even entirely sure Salem wants to wipe out the human race; her lines could easily be from a villain of The Evils of Free Will / Utopia Justifies the Means archetype.

edited 6th Jun '16 7:14:15 PM by CaptainCapsase

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#35717: Jun 6th 2016 at 7:28:03 PM

[up]On the other hand she have brought nothing but chaos and distrust, granted the kindoms did shaddy thing but that dosent maker her good, at best a grey and black morality

Also how close her goal line with Salem? so far Salem seen to bend in typical "wipe them all" situation where Cinder since to have a vendetta against the system for some reason, if Cinder is faithfull soporter of Salem, is hard to said she is anything else but CM, dosent it?

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#35718: Jun 6th 2016 at 7:31:02 PM

[up][up]The problem is that Cinder's actions haven't been presented as anything other than what it is, regardless of what Ozpin or anyone might have done.

edited 6th Jun '16 7:31:37 PM by Cross

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#35719: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:18:48 PM

At worst Ozpin made serious miscalculations and was too arrogant in his own ability to protect the kingdoms. But there's no way they're gonna pull an Ozpin is bad, Salem is good switch. That just makes no sense.

Sure Cinder and Salem might think they're doing good. Cinder could even try to spin it into a speech about how she thinks things worked out better for Ruby and Jaune thanks to her actions. But they aren't gonna buy it.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#35720: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:54:57 PM

[up] The Utopia Justifies the Means archetype is pretty much exempted from Complete Monster status, and killing thousands of people for a "greater good" is pretty much the definition of the trope.

Now I agree that Salem's definitely not going to turn out to be secretly good; at best, she's a Well-Intentioned Extremist whose perfectly happy to slaughter people by the thousands for a better tomorrow, though I'm not so sure about Ozpin; he's set up to be a major Broken Pedestal, and his thematic inspiration is first character who comes to mind when I think "charlatan." So he might very well be a charlatan, a coward, and a hypocrite, desperately trying to deny his own culpability in the state of the world even as his grand deception comes closer and closer to coming apart at the seems.

Enter our heroes, who when faced with two sides that are undeniably vile, manage to Take a Third Option.

edited 6th Jun '16 9:00:20 PM by CaptainCapsase

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#35721: Jun 6th 2016 at 9:21:51 PM

[up]that is my interpretation of Ozpin, but Cinder is dificult to me, she must want something of all this destruction, even if Salem wont give to her.

I think Cinder is well intention extremist while Salem is complete monster here and of course the later is going to sacrifice the former in brutal fashion to have irony in her song

Or that is how I see it

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#35722: Jun 6th 2016 at 9:45:18 PM

[up][up]A few problems with this, depending on the actions taken and/or how they view "Utopia" they can fall under it. Once again, we know nothing of the why for any of this so assigning hypothetically roles for Ozpin and Salem won't disqualify Cinder for it. And the main reason Cinder is being call this is mainly due to the fact she seems to be enjoying the chaos.

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#35723: Jun 6th 2016 at 9:49:04 PM

This discussion is better off in the CM thread because you have to go there for anything CM-related to get done.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#35724: Jun 6th 2016 at 9:49:24 PM

So far, only Roman and Adam have show their intentions(survive and revolution) and we know very little of Emerald,Mercury,Cinder or Salem but so far he actituded show degree of sadist and power hunger, also she kill Phyrra, the nicest of all chararter who can be said are good

So, yeah, I think CM should stay and when we see anything else we discuss this again

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#35725: Jun 6th 2016 at 9:49:26 PM

[up][up][up] I didn't really get that impression; she pretty much had the same smug smile and tone of voice throughout all of her appearances, and there was also that weird moment when Emerald is bemoaning the tragedy of what's happening to the city, and Cinder nods and says "it's horrific". Now, granted, it's in the same uninterested tone of voice as ever, but that could very well be a result of poor voice direction.

@unkowing: I'm personally partial to the notion that Cinder is the Well-Intentioned Extremist variant of The Quisling ala Doctor Breen, and that Salem herself may very well be a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds, vaguely like the more sympathetic portrayals of Magneto.

edited 6th Jun '16 9:53:42 PM by CaptainCapsase


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