As an Irishman, I would happily accept both Blake and Penny as fellow countrymen/women/people or mascots or personifications.
And as for the White Fang as the IRA... I personally see it. There's a lot of parallels with real-life terrorist groups. Hell, the War between the Kingdoms and Menagerie could be seen as the equivalent of the Irish War for Independence.
You're going to be here all day if we get into the "compare the fantasy world of RWBY to real-life movements, countries, organizations" topic. Don't do it man, I've seen it happen.
As Monty designed the setting around a ketchup smear on a napkin, I refuse to compare Remnant's history to our own.
edited 1st Jun '16 5:41:23 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!The Faunus already have independence. The White Fang is just causing trouble cause they're mad their minority's, and if Adam in any indication the new leadership is just out to make humanity suffer because they're pissed, with no real end game beyond killing as many humans as possible.
I'm not sure this can be compared to any real life terrorist group. They're just lashing out for the sake of lashing out.
It only came across like that once Cinder spun it that way. Before that, we know that Ozpin, Glynda and Qrow had an issue with Ironwood specifically, not with Atlas. Their issue was his attitude towards approaching the problem. They were basically saying he was acting like sledgehammer, when the situation required exploratory surgery with a scalpel and a pinhole camera.
The sensibility of a question is meaningless when the motive is to ask the question in an agenda-driven way that creates trouble instead of sense.
I doubt it, faunus exist before she was introduce and Adam refuse her help until being bullied by her maiden powers, one think is clear is that Salem pawn are all outcast: a criminal(Roman) an assasin(Mercury), a Thief(Emerald) and Faunus rebel/terrorist(Adam), all know the cracks of the system so keen mind could direct into the right way, which in self show not so diferent aspect of Ozpin and Salem.
The White Fang coup also happened before the show started and therefore before anyone was introduced. However, I think you've misunderstood me: I was talking about Salem being behind the coup, not Cinder.
Cinder is not the person behind this story's plan. She's nothing more than the mule, doing the donkey work for the real villain. I bet she doesn't even know the full truth.
If this is true them is blow against the broother for them to kept secret of each other.
May be, may be not. Perhaps bonds will shatter and they'll be divided forever. And perhaps they're all mature enough to be able to go away, work through any ego stings to address the real questions the secrets may generate and reach a mature solution at the end of the (possibly painful) process.
Even in real life, the revelation of secrets doesn't have to destroy bonds. It completely depends on what those secrets are and why they were being kept. Time tests people. That doesn't mean bonds always shatter when they're tested. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. And sometimes they actually end up stronger.
We cannot judge what we don't know.
edited 1st Jun '16 2:46:34 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading." Before that, we know that Ozpin, Glynda and Qrow had an issue with Ironwood specifically, not with Atlas."
Glynda have conflict with him, Qrow does have issue with Atlas and it make pretty clear to Winter, also Ironwood IS part of Atlas, not a grunt but the headmaster, that is a lot of power
"The sensibility of a question is meaningless when the motive is to ask the question in an agenda-driven way that creates trouble instead of sense. "
By that logic things like jerkass or villian have a point will be meanless, Cinder make a good question on why Penny exist in the first place
"Cinder is not the person behind this story's plan. She's nothing more than the mule, doing the donkey work for the real villain. I bet she doesn't even know the full truth. "
While I agree Cinder is also on the loop about the whole Salem-Ozpin feud, I dont agree with the notion of all being Salem idea, I think Cinder is the one who work over details
"Even in real life, the revelation of secrets doesn't have to destroy bonds. It completely depends on what those secrets are and why they were being kept"
it also depend of what consequence Ozpin secret provoe, they already pay for keping people in the dark and understimed their enemy A LOT, while Cinder is manipulating information, is hard to justify Ozpin actions, as RWBY and JRNP face the consequence of it.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Remember Mark Zhang? He made these
three
trailers
. He's now apparently an animator for DBX, Death Battle's second spinoff series.
Since Mark is going to be working for ScrewAttack, and Fullscreen owns both ScrewAttack and Rooster Teeth...
Does this mean we might be seeing Mark's characters in RWBY?
edited 2nd Jun '16 9:46:48 AM by WillDeRegio
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Mate, Rooster Teeth owns Screwattack now.
As for if his characters will show up, maybe if they need background Huntsmen and Huntresses. They'll probably see a shout-out at some point. Speaking role if they're really lucky. But overall, likely on the level of NDGO.
Eh. I expect him to know, too. But Ironwood was keeping it secret and clearly didn't think Ozpin knew anything about it.
Qrow didn't say anything about Atlas beyond baiting Winter. He and Winter clearly have a personal history and I guess we'll have to wait to find out more about that. Once Winter was removed from the group, he made it absolutely clear what his problem really was - which turned out to be exactly the same issue Ozpin and Glynda had indicated back in Volume 2: Ironwood's approach to handling the Salem threat.
The Atlas government shouldn't even know about the Salem threat, if what Qrow said about the limited knowledge is true.
By that logic things like jerkass or villian have a point will be meanless, Cinder make a good question on why Penny exist in the first place
It would be a good question if asked of the relevant people in the relevant context. It wasn't. It was an agenda-driven, context-skewed piece of spin spoken anonymously to the general public over hijacked airwaves in a manner designed to make the general public come to only one conclusion about the question's answer.
It doesn't matter if it was potentially a good question. Cinder deliberately turned it into a bad one. A good thing done in a bad way is a bad thing.
While I agree Cinder is also on the loop about the whole Salem-Ozpin feud, I dont agree with the notion of all being Salem idea, I think Cinder is the one who work over details
It's clearly Salem's plan. Whether or not Cinder was allowed to choose the original people, we don't know. We know she's had the freedom to adapt the details of the plan as necessary. We also know she's a phone call away from someone else (either Salem or someone who is between her and Salem; Raven perhaps).
Having the freedom to adapt plans in the field doesn't make the original plan hers. From Salem's speech, it's extremely doubtful the plan was Cinders. A donkey with a long rein is still a donkey with limited authority, it's just more flexible authority than a donkey that's on a short rein.
it also depend of what consequence Ozpin secret provoe, they already pay for keping people in the dark and understimed their enemy A LOT, while Cinder is manipulating information, is hard to justify Ozpin actions, as RWBY and JRNP face the consequence of it.
Covered by the part of my post you quoted.
I haven't seen anyone pay for Ozpin keeping people in the dark. The villains succeeded because Cinder's identity was unknown to Ozpin's group. There were no secrets being kept there, it was lack of knowledge. Even Qrow didn't know, presumably because of that weird distortion when he saved Amber, which was probably Emerald's power preventing him from being able to id Cinder.
RWBY and JNPR have mostly experienced consequences of either their own actions or Cinder's. Ozpin has experienced consequences for some of his actions, however.
edited 2nd Jun '16 2:55:43 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading."Qrow didn't say anything about Atlas beyond baiting Winter"
Ehhhhh
"You know what you really are? A bunch of sellouts, just like your boss"
"Listen to big sister, Weiss. She'll protect you. Just like Atlas is gonna protect all of us, right?"
He insult the Atlas military and THEM mock the idea of Winter protecting weiss and Atlas protecting everyone, which in retrospect is foreshadowing
"Once Winter was removed from the group, he made it absolutely clear what his problem really was - which turned out to be exactly the same issue Ozpin and Glynda had indicated back in Volume 2: Ironwood's approach to handling the Salem threat."
Ehhhhhh
"Despite what the world thinks, we're not just teachers or generals or headmasters. The people in this room, the leaders of the other two academies, we're the ones that keep the world safe from the evils no one even knows about. It's why we meet behind closed doors, why we work in the shadows. So you tell me James, when you brought your army to Vale, did you think you were being discreet, or did you just not give a damn?"
Glynda complain about Ironwood idea of using force but Qrow adress the real issue: that they are part of a secret brotherhood who hide behind the shadow and james just decide not give a fuck about, that take certain level of arrgance about yourself, he is not evil but VERY foolish and Cinder and Salem make him pay for that very clear, Ironwood drag Atlas with all the issue that come with it.
". It was an agenda-driven, context-skewed piece of spin spoken anonymously to the general public over hijacked airwaves in a manner designed to make the general public come to only one conclusion about the question's answer."
that happen because Atlas decide to put secret robot who look like human and not tell anyone, she load the question indeed but is not that dificult and everyone will done because....is a damn robot who use aura, neither Atlas or Ironwood cant hide that fact, they pretty much handle this in hand of Cinder
"From Salem's speech, it's extremely doubtful the plan was Cinders. A donkey with a long rein is still a donkey with limited authority, it's just more flexible authority than a donkey that's on a short rein."
Meh, Salem since the one with the hole "divide and conquer" since unlike many other villians she know what is the key to her defeat but I think is Cinder the one who order the detail around, she use people who know the cracks and flaw of the system, so far everyone in brotherhood overestimate her except Qrow
"RWBY and JNPR have mostly experienced consequences of either their own actions or Cinder's. Ozpin has experienced consequences for some of his actions, however. "
Except here they get in crossfire, they could easly get a ship and call it a day, the atack was for Maiden and Atlas and neither group(except Weiss) have anything to do with it, also Phyrra was consequence of it since she was introduce to the hold thing(and her disconfort show how big this thing is) even if they lack Cinder information they have plenty of it(like for example what they want and the fact they are in festival) and chose not too, it dosent surprise me if Jaune try to understand what he saw down there because is not easy to explain
Now Opzin is gone and they dont even have a clue what the hell is going on, so much for secrecy
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"do we reallyneed to complain everything? "too much cute joke","too much speculation";"too much grimmdark" for most part we have nothing to do until volume 4 come and it seen people just want to see the thread dead until them, is getting annoying :/
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
x5: dRoy, you're slacking. Start complaining more!
Ehhhhh
"You know what you really are? A bunch of sellouts, just like your boss"
"Listen to big sister, Weiss. She'll protect you. Just like Atlas is gonna protect all of us, right?"
He insult the Atlas military and THEM mock the idea of Winter protecting weiss and Atlas protecting everyone, which in retrospect is foreshadowing
"Once Winter was removed from the group, he made it absolutely clear what his problem really was - which turned out to be exactly the same issue Ozpin and Glynda had indicated back in Volume 2: Ironwood's approach to handling the Salem threat."
Ehhhhhh
"Despite what the world thinks, we're not just teachers or generals or headmasters. The people in this room, the leaders of the other two academies, we're the ones that keep the world safe from the evils no one even knows about. It's why we meet behind closed doors, why we work in the shadows. So you tell me James, when you brought your army to Vale, did you think you were being discreet, or did you just not give a damn?"
Glynda complain about Ironwood idea of using force but Qrow adress the real issue: that they are part of a secret brotherhood who hide behind the shadow and james just decide not give a fuck about, that take certain level of arrgance about yourself, he is not evil but VERY foolish and Cinder and Salem make him pay for that very clear, Ironwood drag Atlas with all the issue that come with it.
You quote that as though you think I'd forgotten what was said when I wrote my post.
that happen because Atlas decide to put secret robot who look like human and not tell anyone, she load the question indeed but is not that dificult and everyone will done because....is a damn robot who use aura, neither Atlas or Ironwood cant hide that fact, they pretty much handle this in hand of Cinder
Are you saying that the only way to ask the Penny question is the way Cinder did it? If so, I completely disagree. What Cinder did had absolutely nothing to do with asking good questions. Good questions are asked in a manner, context and location that facilitates obtaining a proper answer. My point is that she deliberately destroys the ability of that question to be good because the response she's interested in has absolutely nothing to do with getting a proper answer to a good question. Her intention is to brainwash people into a certain line of thinking only.
There is absolutely no indication so far that the implication she's making people think is the truth - or even the only - answer, and the method in which she does it ensures that the truth cannot be told.
Cinder's actions are exactly the opposite of seeking a proper answer to a good question.
Meh, Salem since the one with the hole "divide and conquer" since unlike many other villians she know what is the key to her defeat but I think is Cinder the one who order the detail around, she use people who know the cracks and flaw of the system, so far everyone in brotherhood overestimate her except Qrow
No-one in the Brotherhood knew who she was, where she was or what her resources were - including Qrow. They all knew she was in Vale, that's all.
The only person the show indicates as underestimating the threat was Ironwood. Don't forget, Ironwood had security authority transferred from Ozpin to himself for as long as the tournament was being hosted by Vale. Ozpin's hands were tied. Ironwood was in control. Instead of trying to comprehend Ozpin (and we still don't understand Ozpin yet ourselves), he took matters into his own hands, usurped control, continuously underestimated the threat, and continuously ignored everyone who warned him his actions were making things worse.
It wasn't until Qrow turned up and gave him a tongue-lashing that he realised how isolated he was. Even then, he only backed down slightly - just enough to allow Ozpin to select a Guardian.
edited 3rd Jun '16 5:16:42 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Weiss is my favourite. Cool design, cool powers and she's pretty funny. I also just like Zoidberg gags like the ones directed toward her in volume 2.

We've been over this before.
Roman was Ozpin.