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DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Statement: All meatbags must die
#33726: May 5th 2016 at 11:06:04 AM

No he will be a complex creepy rapist that you should hate

Is it possible to create a character who is hatable yet complex?

Cut off one head 2 more shall take it's place! Hail Hydra
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#33727: May 5th 2016 at 11:08:59 AM

Hateable, but relatable, yes.

Or, hatable but likable. [down] Sorry to spam Breaking Bad clips, but it's a shining example of "characters that you love to hate."

Gus Fring, easily one of the most cruel, brutal, manipulative characters, and easily one of the best characters on the show due to the complexity of his situation, and his conflict with Walter White, the protagonist.

edited 5th May '16 11:14:19 AM by FOFD

DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Statement: All meatbags must die
#33728: May 5th 2016 at 11:10:34 AM

Give an example

I'm hoping for Adam to be utterly iredeemable yet you understand why he is that way

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WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#33729: May 5th 2016 at 11:12:41 AM

Alternatively, Blake remind Adam of a deceased sister, and Adam's turned into a Knight Templar Big Brother. Who hates humanity because a human killed his sister.

edited 5th May '16 11:13:40 AM by WillDeRegio

DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Statement: All meatbags must die
#33730: May 5th 2016 at 11:28:58 AM

Or maybe he was a decent person who did one act that started him down a slippery slope

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#33731: May 5th 2016 at 11:33:53 AM

Actually, Adam was confirmed to be abusive to Blake in the past, and his comments when he's introduced in Volume 3 are VEEEEEEEEERY Yandere sounding. While he may not be a rapist currently, he acts like one

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#33732: May 5th 2016 at 11:36:49 AM

"I'm hoping for Adam to be utterly iredeemable yet you understand why he is that way"

I tihnk they are going that way with Cinder, both Adam? as Ninety said, in the moment he interact with Blake he become this weird and creepy guy who act like scorn ex boyfriend, the kind of chararter you wish the female protagonist beat to bloody plup(the fact he is badass enought to one shot Yang is why he is my favorite) and Miles and Kerry said he is actually worst and before Blake deflect.

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#33733: May 5th 2016 at 11:36:56 AM

uhm

i think it's a bit far to call him a rapist

calling him abusive/an abuser is much closer to what he actually is and what he's been saying.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33734: May 5th 2016 at 11:40:09 AM

So it's redundant to say he should be a Racist.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#33735: May 5th 2016 at 11:44:02 AM

[up][up]There is a tendecy nowday to use rapist as catch all for awfull behivor.

But yeah, Adam is more a abusive and controling Ex boyfriend, hell he even use the whole "Why did hurt me" cliche line, if bumblebee is declared canon I almost fear Adam will be reduce to the "ex yanderw who dosent want Blake to be happy" which is bording into Fan fic territory

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#33736: May 5th 2016 at 12:02:26 PM

Actually, Adam was confirmed to be abusive to Blake in the past, and his comments when he's introduced in Volume 3 are VEEEEEEEEERY Yandere sounding. While he may not be a rapist currently, he acts like one
Did they clarify what type of abuse? Not saying it would be better, but context of their past relationship would change accordingly.

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#33737: May 5th 2016 at 12:03:03 PM

While I don't mind completely evil villains, we should indeed have someone who is somewhat more redeemable.

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#33738: May 5th 2016 at 12:05:31 PM

Characters need to be deeper than "he gives off a rapist vibe so clearly he's irredeemable" or "character kills innocent people, there is absolutely no way he can be redeemed", we need to look for other sides to their personalities other than the obvious "well he did a bad thing, so that makes him a bad person."

On the other hand.One only needs to look the Naruto manga to see the results of trying too hard to redeem characters who clearly past the Moral Event Horizon.Sometimes its just better to let bad guys be bad guys

edited 5th May '16 12:09:14 PM by DeanCole

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33739: May 5th 2016 at 12:06:04 PM

Should the minions be redeemed? Even though this is more obvious.

Not Adam or Flame lady. They've done too much bad.

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FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33740: May 5th 2016 at 12:06:19 PM

[up][up][up]

You do... She's called Emerald

With Salem's Reveal everybody is HER minion

edited 5th May '16 12:06:51 PM by FrozenWolf2

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#33741: May 5th 2016 at 12:22:59 PM

[up] (3) Funny, I was about to bring that up.

I used to think the villains in Naruto were the problem. In hindsight, I think it was that a 14-year old with barely any life experience was able to constantly talk down and reform several antagonistic figures, who'd spent most of their lives plotting revenge and such.

I agree there's an opposite extreme, but I still want more from Torchwick and Adam than abusive jerkassery.

Did they clarify what type of abuse? Not saying it would be better, but context of their past relationship would change accordingly.

And when was this?

edited 5th May '16 12:27:31 PM by FOFD

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#33742: May 5th 2016 at 12:24:03 PM

"On the other hand.One only needs to look the Naruto manga to see the results of trying too hard to redeem characters who clearly past the Moral Event Horizon.Sometimes its just better to let bad guys be bad guys "

And yet, aside of Sasuke(who is less evil that just unlikable) and Orochimaru(who got away with his shit) and maybe Kabuto, everyone evil dies so is not SO bad, the real problem is that Naruto end breaking almost every single damn aseop have been preaching from the start.

"Did they clarify what type of abuse? Not saying it would be better, but context of their past relationship would change accordingly. "

Well in the brief moment, he slap Blake, he sound controling and make a vow to harm everything she love and maim her hand and end with Blake almost being decapited(Unless he know she was a clone which make sense) he come across as that abusive boyfriend who follow to harm someone else live

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#33744: May 5th 2016 at 12:40:12 PM

They also said that Adam's a layered individual.So I imagine there is more to him than 'the crazy ex boyfriend'.

edited 5th May '16 12:42:13 PM by DeanCole

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#33745: May 5th 2016 at 12:41:47 PM

wild mass guess Adam is also the crazy ex-girlfriend.

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DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#33746: May 5th 2016 at 12:42:48 PM

Not sure how that works but okay.:P

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33747: May 5th 2016 at 12:43:07 PM

Yeah, but we already knew there was more to Adam than just...what you said.

It's not like all he's doing is just for Black, he's doing it for all the racist Faunus victims.

edited 5th May '16 12:50:02 PM by randomness4

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#33748: May 5th 2016 at 12:44:56 PM

[up]and the show still make you belive Ruby is the leader or the main chararter, I will belive them when I saw it

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#33749: May 5th 2016 at 1:11:59 PM

wild mass guessAdam is a Faunus-holocaust survivor.wild mass guess

*beat*

Did I just make Adam into Magneto?

edited 5th May '16 1:18:55 PM by WillDeRegio

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#33750: May 5th 2016 at 1:15:48 PM

[up]Did that make Blake profesor X? is that mean Yang is jean grey? she is going to die to come back and die again?

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

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