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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#32501: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:13:01 PM

Okay, the blue link made me spit out my drink, good job. [lol][tup]

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#32502: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:21:02 PM

Why didn't they just jump?

Did they really need all those children?

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#32503: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:21:41 PM

For the record, I completely disagree with this:

The point is, the main protagonists have absolutely no chance of beating him, which makes his presence kill drama rather than cause it.

statement.

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#32504: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:30:41 PM

The main protagonists don't seem to have a chance in hell at beating any of the villains.

Even Roman kicked Ruby's ass and needed a Grimm to eat him to save her.

DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Statement: All meatbags must die
#32505: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:31:26 PM

Ummm yeah Bumblebee wasn't at full mental clarity when the fight happened. Blake was shocked at seeing Adam again and Yang had her own issues.

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DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Statement: All meatbags must die
#32507: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:39:01 PM

Yeah if Blake and Yang had run into him together they would've stood more of a chance

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32508: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:39:12 PM

[up][up][up] Right, but Blake can stomp him if that's what the situation calls for.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#32509: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:40:42 PM

...and that's the real problem.

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DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Statement: All meatbags must die
#32510: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:47:38 PM

wild mass guessin the rematch Blake will destroy all the lights in the room and will start attacking Adam via stealth and does a really good job. We even get some cool first person night vision shots.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32511: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:47:40 PM

Yeah, I agree with you. I'm just saying it's impossible to say that it doesn't look like the heroes can find a way to match the villains when they don't need a reason, they'll just do it if they have to.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#32512: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:51:20 PM

I'm saying that it's a real problem with the writing.

That should not happen.

edited 16th Apr '16 5:51:53 PM by randomness4

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Alfric Sailing the Skies! from Crescent Isle Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#32513: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:58:03 PM

Does it? I haven't seen a source on the "Miles and Kerry write fights entirely around coolness and plot" thing.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#32514: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:59:48 PM

Yeah, I'm all for Rule of Cool and all and I don't think fight scenes need to be overanalyized to the point of "but Yang can only punch things with a force of 12.8 tons, and she clearly hits with at least 35 tons of force here", but literally everything just being "it happens how the writers need it to" is too far in the other direction.

eg, if Adam can one-shot Blake and Yang at the end of season 3, and then in the beginning of season 4 Blake fights Adam and wins because that's what the plot calls for, and there's no explanation for the discrepancy, then that's just bad writing.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32515: Apr 16th 2016 at 5:59:59 PM

[up][up][up] I know, that's the part I'm agreeing on.

[up] Yes, I think there needs to be a balance. I know most people don't want everything to be reduced to restricting feats and numbers, but the opposite extreme is no better.

edited 16th Apr '16 6:00:56 PM by Saiga

Alfric Sailing the Skies! from Crescent Isle Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#32516: Apr 16th 2016 at 6:08:05 PM

Still waiting on a source for that claim, since otherwise I think you guys might be overreacting to some hearsay.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#32517: Apr 16th 2016 at 6:08:11 PM

Personally, I don't think it's Rule of Cool that determined Adam's "fight" with Blake and Yang.

Element of Surprise, plus he had his Finishing Move ready.

If the tables were turned, who's to say it wouldn't have ended differently?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32518: Apr 16th 2016 at 6:09:18 PM

[up][up] I don't even care about the claim, it's apparent from looking at Roman. And I expected this for a long time with Coco.

edited 16th Apr '16 6:09:29 PM by Saiga

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#32519: Apr 16th 2016 at 6:28:08 PM

Eh, everyone's talking about a bunch of kids whose eyes are only just beginning to be opened to what the world is really like. Of course they're outclassed right now. That'll change. It always does.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Alfric Sailing the Skies! from Crescent Isle Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#32520: Apr 16th 2016 at 6:28:52 PM

Is it apparent? Roman's three fights are:

Roman vs Sun and Blake, which was a face to face matchup that ended in a rough draw (neither side was beaten, but Roman was holding his ground against the both of them), and he seemed to have the advantage against either one of them in a 1v1. He gets hit like two or three times in this fight

Roman vs Blake round 2, where she had the element of surprise due to an upgraded weapon (regardless of your opinion of the dust clips introduction, she didn't just randomly become stronger, she got an explicit outside buff, which is relevant to the setting) and capitalized on it in the only fight where she actually used a more tricky approach. The dust clip may have been lazy, but upgrading a weapon is not the same as out of nowhere the character themself becoming massively stronger. As for damage, he got blown up, air juggled, blocked by an ice clone and then knocked into a wall with a sword beam.

Roman vs Ruby, which started as a 2v1 in Roman's favor where he and Neo spend the entire fight clowning on Ruby, and after Neo gets Mary Poppin'd, he still keeps on beating her. Basically took no damage.

His record seems pretty consistent; he can beat the notable first year students alone pretty handily, but isn't so far above them to be able to take a really severe beating, which surprise would open up.

edited 16th Apr '16 6:35:51 PM by Alfric

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#32521: Apr 16th 2016 at 6:31:06 PM

Coco probably had some weaker bullets to use for the tournament, so she wouldn't accidentally kill someone during it via Nevermore-killing bullet storm. And Roman got his ass kicked because Blake caught him by surprise with the Dust clip, abused her clones heavily throughout that fight, and was essentially aiming for the jugular immediately once the fight started, so to speak.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32522: Apr 16th 2016 at 6:33:16 PM

The dust clip really doesn't correspond to how she completely manhandled him. He was definitely beating her quite easily in their first encounter.

There's also Coco. Easily kills three Nevermores and a Deathstalker, turns out she's not invincible after all and her team loses to Mercury's team who goes on to lose to Yang - even if that went according to the plan, the fight looked genuine.

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#32523: Apr 16th 2016 at 6:36:05 PM

I just assumed they were smaller and weaker boss Grimm than the ones they faced in the forest.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#32524: Apr 16th 2016 at 6:37:03 PM

Coco also got fucked over because of Emerald's illusions, which helped her and Mercury take her and Yatsuhashi out. Cinder also had the whole "make Yang look like she kneecapped a defenseless person" thing planned out before the fight between her and Mercury even happened, so it's not out of the question that he planned to take a dive to make the plan happen.

edited 16th Apr '16 6:37:57 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Alfric Sailing the Skies! from Crescent Isle Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#32525: Apr 16th 2016 at 6:40:22 PM

For Coco, she has had one major fight, and two other showings. The fight was a loss where she was up against Emerald after she and Yatsuhashi got split up, where she never got a good chance to lay into someone with her bullets, and got outmatched by a roguish opponent. Her other showings were against Grimm (who have a... questionable record so far) and they weren't really dodging her bullets, and the completed Paladins, which were able to match a bunch of other students and needed Unlimited Bun Works and summoning to defeat. Still doesn't seem too off, outside of the Grimm, and those aren't covered in craptons of armor nor have aura.

Roman entered the fight with Blake cocky and overconfident, struting toward her since he, as you mentioned, had little trouble with her before. She surprised him with the dust clip and followed up, and while he was recovering she hit him with a powerful finisher. We don't really know how tanky he can be, since all his showings didn't involve him getting hit much, so him being relatively squishy is hardly impossible.

I don't even think Merc would have needed to be actively taking a dive to lose. He looked pretty surprised by Yang's revival after the finisher, so her sudden explosive attack could have caught him off guard.

edited 16th Apr '16 6:42:10 PM by Alfric

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