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By our definition of the term, no, it's not a Deus ex Machina, insofar as it didn't occur at the climax of the plot; an unexpected element introduced at the end of the first act is specifically stated to be an example of Chekhov's Gun rather than Deus ex Machina as far as tvtropes is concerned.
edited 14th Apr '16 5:33:26 PM by CaptainCapsase
Nohr's Hammer alone is enough to receive a bounty on it's head.
A dangerous duo like that, along with Ren...that's quite a big bounty worth pursuing.
edited 14th Apr '16 5:36:32 PM by randomness4
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
First sentence said by Ozpin, to Ruby: "You have silver eyes". Volume 1, Chapter 1
Volume 3's finale shows that they're important, and have power.
Chekovs Gun, not Deus ex Machina
edited 14th Apr '16 5:39:19 PM by BlackSunNocturne
Yeah, the thing is not Deus ex Machina given the foreshadowing.
However, i think they could have handle the thing better IMO. The scene was too convinient to my liking
Uni catThe problem is what the Silver eyes do...knowing they exist beforehand doesn't really mean anything.
It's still so very convenient and unexpected.
edited 14th Apr '16 5:46:25 PM by randomness4
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It seemed to me like it was a combination Traumatic Superpower Awakening/Die or Fly situation.
edited 14th Apr '16 5:46:49 PM by BlackSunNocturne
If anyone tries to tell me that they honestly expected Ruby to use her mysterious powers as a silver-eyed warrior to save the day during the season three finale, I'll call them a liar to their face.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
"Not to mention that a Deus ex Machina short of the climax is a Chekhov's Gun; if the saving force complicates the story afterwards, it's the introduction of a new element."
edited 14th Apr '16 5:51:50 PM by CaptainCapsase
Pyrrha's death served the narrative purpose to unlock the main character's secret power. That was her role in the story. She fulfilled that role.
Now Ruby has to learn how to consciously call that power and then to master it. That'll probably take her a while.
Pyrrha's death will probably also serve the secondary narrative purpose to focus the deuteragonist's resolve and so enable him to discover and master what he can do, given that she was the first person who believed in him and she was his first mentor.
@Native Jovian: Actually, a lot of fans were expecting the silver eyes to mean something about in terms of abilities (it's an old storytelling trick). When the seasonal maidens story was told, a lot of people believed it means she was a Maiden (some actually speculated it might be a different power entirely, but most were in the Maiden camp). By the time the final episodes were showing, everyone was expecting Pyrrha to die (that had been flagged from the beginning and it was pretty obvious it would happen by the end of the volume with the way things were going), and a lot of people expected Ruby's hidden power to burst out either against Cinder or the dragon.
So, people didn't expect the specific power she displayed and a lot of people didn't expect the death itself to trigger it (although plenty of people did), but they did expect something to trigger Ruby by the time the finale had ended.
The way it happened may have surprised but the fact it had happened at all did not.
edited 14th Apr '16 6:01:40 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading."Deus ex Machina are sudden or unexpected. This means that even if they are featured or referenced earlier in the story, they do not change the course of nor appear to be a viable solution to the plotline they eventually "solve"."
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
That's one of the many cases of trope pages that contradict themselves then. It was much worse a few years back, and there was natter everywhere. In some ways it's nice, but in other ways we've moved ever so closer to being wikipedia in a different format.
edited 14th Apr '16 5:58:13 PM by CaptainCapsase
You all knew the Silver eyes would save the MC...but it's up to you to deny your initial thoughts.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Which is a all that matters.You say that Ruby could have lost based on her previous showings.I say Cinder could have lost based on the damage she suffered at prryha hands .At the end of the day we dont know.
As for Deus ex machina here are the rules for it to be considered one form the tropes page.
Deus ex Machina are sudden or unexpected. This means that even if they are featured or referenced earlier in the story, they do not change the course of nor appear to be a viable solution to the plotline they eventually "solve".
The problem a Deus ex Machina fixes must be portrayed as unsolvable or hopeless. If the problem could be solved with a bit of common sense or other type of simple intervention, the solution is not a Deus ex Machina no matter how unexpected it may seem.
The one that I am concerned about is in bold
edited 14th Apr '16 6:03:19 PM by DeanCole
Mhmm. Anyway, regardless of whether or not it necessarily qualifies, it's not necessarily a bad thing to throw something unexpected at the viewers early on in the plot; I personally saw pretty much everything else coming 2-4 episodes in advance if not more, excluding Roman's death and the silver eyes thing, and given this is something that's absolutely going to be expanded on in the future, I don't mind that second surprise that much.
