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MalcolmBelmontS Since: May, 2015
#32151: Apr 14th 2016 at 1:31:11 PM

Honestly....while i do think Cinder to get a tragic backstory i don't want her to be that sympathetic.I feel like with what Cinder has done try to make her sympathetic would be the wrong choice.

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#32152: Apr 14th 2016 at 1:32:09 PM

Cinder is loosing herself because she wants mom's spaghetti.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#32153: Apr 14th 2016 at 1:33:43 PM

[up] At this point, I'd say it's either a Red Herring to make people less likely to anticipate Pyrrha's death, or foreshadowing for something that might befall a character in the future.

[up][up] Given how tight lipped the show is about the villains, their motivation, and how secretive and shady the Big Good is, I don't think we can rule out a twist that would reveal Cinder and/or Salem to be a Well-Intentioned Extremist, or at least just one side of a Black-and-Black Morality conflict.

edited 14th Apr '16 1:38:24 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#32154: Apr 14th 2016 at 1:38:47 PM

Ms. Fire doesn't need to be sympathetic, she just needs to have a clear motive...clear reasoning, reasons that turn her into a complete monster.

At this she's too effective to be sympathetic anyway.

edited 14th Apr '16 1:39:56 PM by randomness4

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#32155: Apr 14th 2016 at 1:46:09 PM

Is it possible to pull off an iredeemable villain who's also sympathetic

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#32156: Apr 14th 2016 at 1:48:32 PM

If they start out sympathetic, then sure...it becomes even more impactful when they turn to the dark side.

Bonus points if they stay that way to the very end.

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edited 14th Apr '16 1:50:08 PM by randomness4

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#32157: Apr 14th 2016 at 1:49:37 PM

[up][up] It can be done. If you consider Flowey irredimable.

Worst case scenario, Cinders becomes the coolest gal!

edited 14th Apr '16 1:49:57 PM by fasoman1996

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#32158: Apr 14th 2016 at 1:52:07 PM

[up][up][up]No. If they're irredeemable, they have no qualities that could make them sympathetic.

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#32159: Apr 14th 2016 at 1:59:16 PM

If they're irredeemable, they just lose those sympathetic qualities.

They lose the ability to be sympathetic.

edited 14th Apr '16 1:59:55 PM by randomness4

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#32160: Apr 14th 2016 at 2:40:00 PM

So should there be multiple villain factions

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#32161: Apr 14th 2016 at 2:57:58 PM

I'm a strict believer of the idea that your misery does not justify your causing of misery unto others.

Villain sob stories stopped mattering to me for a long time.

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#32162: Apr 14th 2016 at 3:02:35 PM

Multiple villain factions should've probably been a thing by now.

There's still time, but...

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#32163: Apr 14th 2016 at 3:49:53 PM

The plot I'm most concerned about is Yang's: angst to little and it's not believable angst to much and it gets tedious
I'm with you on that, I didn't really like Yang going full-on emotionally shut down. Yang's always been about moving forward and fighting through whatever obstacles are in her way. Just sitting around feeling sorry for herself — not for just a little bit, but apparently for months, given the scene change from fall to winter before Ruby sets off for Haven — doesn't seem in-character for her. I get that she went through a traumatic experience and certainly that's going to affect her, but I'd expect her to pretend that everything's okay and making the situation worse by trying to ignore how much she's hurting, rather than wallowing in it like we see her doing. I mean, hell, we've already seen artificial limbs in the setting. I would expect to see her causing problems by pushing too hard too quickly after she was hurt, trying to get back into fighting shape, rather than just completely shutting down.

It comes off as the writers trying to put her on a bus for season four. Weiss was shanghai'd by her dad, Blake is off doing Blake things, and Yang is busy being depressed, so Ruby has to hook up with the remains of Team JNPR for the new season.

Wait.I though it was established that she buying time until help came?
What help? Crow and Ironwood and Goodwitch and them, who they had no way to get into contact with, no knowledge of where they were, and no idea if any of them were even still alive? Pyrrha didn't seem to be fighting defensively to me — she wasn't trying to keep Cinder busy and stay alive long enough for help to arrive. She was trying to kill Cinder herself. And if she was trying to buy time, well, she failed there too. She didn't last long enough for anyone except Ruby to reach her, and Ruby wouldn't have been able to help if her silver-eyed power that no one knew existed hadn't chosen that moment to activate.

Also can Ruby's power be called a Dexus ex Mahinca if it didn't really solve anything?
It saved Ruby's life at the absolute minimum, which probably qualifies it all by itself. It also froze the dragon, which probably saved Vale, and we don't know what effect it had on Cinder yet, but it at least caught her off guard, which is the first and only time Cinder's been surprised and/or threatened by anything.

Also, where is this "losing yourself" thing coming from? Cinder is the same and seen just fine, unless that coment of a hunger implies something wrong with the maiden powers, but that is WMG
Cinder got the rest of Fall's power the natural way — by killing the current Fall and having the power pass on to her as per usual. Pyrrha was going to get the power by merging her aura with Fall's, and even Ozpin didn't know what effect that would have. It could have done nothing, or it could have basically injected the current host of Fall's power into Pyrrha's body, or it could have caused some sort of merge of their personalities and effectively created a third person that was neither Pyrrha nor the previous Fall.

No. If they're irredeemable, they have no qualities that could make them sympathetic.
I disagree, personally — someone can be a Tragic Monster who pretty much has to die for the good of everyone (ie, they're irredeemable) but is still sympathetic to the audience. See also Cry for the Devil.

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#32164: Apr 14th 2016 at 4:35:25 PM

Yang'll get better if they spend too much time on her angsting it'll get repetitive

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#32165: Apr 14th 2016 at 4:42:03 PM

Pyrrha knew Jaune would send help, and he did.

The help just came a few seconds too late.

edited 14th Apr '16 4:42:22 PM by Karxrida

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#32166: Apr 14th 2016 at 4:49:13 PM

My reaction to people guessing that yang will turn evil http://youtu.be/umDr0mPuyQc

Ironically I am also a huge supporter of the corrupted Pyrrah theory

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#32167: Apr 14th 2016 at 4:58:44 PM

Yang's always been about moving forward and fighting through whatever obstacles are in her way. Just sitting around feeling sorry for herself — not for just a little bit, but apparently for months, given the scene change from fall to winter before Ruby sets off for Haven — doesn't seem in-character for her. I get that she went through a traumatic experience and certainly that's going to affect her, but I'd expect her to pretend that everything's okay and making the situation worse by trying to ignore how much she's hurting, rather than wallowing in it like we see her doing. I mean, hell, we've already seen artificial limbs in the setting. I would expect to see her causing problems by pushing too hard too quickly after she was hurt, trying to get back into fighting shape, rather than just completely shutting down.

It could be a matter of weeks rather than months, given that we're just talking about autumn turning into winter, but yes, it's definitely not just a couple of days.

I have no problem with the way Yang's crashed from losing her arm. I've witnessed what the loss of limbs or limb function can do to even the most dynamic people. They come out of it the other side - usually a different person (sometimes for the good, sometimes for the bad). In Yang's case, her limbs are her primary fighting tools; her entire identity is probably now in question (in her own mind). This is just the beginning of a character arc for her, that's all.

The show has never told us how common artificial limbs are, but it has hinted that the kind of technology that will allow someone to have artificial limbs good enough to fight with is going to be expensive. Mercury asks Cinder what's in it for him if he goes with her, but we never get to see the answer. Later on, he complains to Emerald about her actions with the screwdriver because his legs aren't cheap. It may not be confirmation but it's at least a hint that the kind of technology Yang will need is not common and will require wealth.

We're all sure she'll end up with an artificial arm eventually, but I doubt that'll be because it's easy or common place, it'll be because her family have connections (and she - and her benefactors - will probably have great need).

It comes off as the writers trying to put her on a bus for season four. Weiss was shanghai'd by her dad, Blake is off doing Blake things, and Yang is busy being depressed, so Ruby has to hook up with the remains of Team JNPR for the new season.

That's not how it comes off to me. It looks to me like they're splitting RWBY to cover different locations on Remnant. There are questions about Atlas's system, about Penny's creation (and why she suddenly wanted to go to Beacon). There are questions about the Schnee situation (and the faunus situaiton connected to it). Putting Weiss in Atlas allows the exploration - and investigation - of Atlas to begin.

Blake going AWOL is the start of her character arc, but it allows for the exploration of the White Fang matter as well. We don't know if she'll stay in Vale but Adam indicated the White Fang base of operations was in Mystral - which is where Ruby's going.

Yang meanwhile ties back Tai from going after Ruby and connects Yang to Vale. My guess is that, at some point, Ruby's group are going to be walking into terrible danger without knowing it, but the truth of their doomed path gets uncovered by one of the team elsewhere - Yang, Weiss and Blake are now all in positions where they can start learning pieces of the puzzle that are relevant to their back stories. My guess is that Ruby will end up doomed and Yang's resolve will be renewed and she'll be the one to get the team back together to go after Ruby to save her.

In the meantime, the story will have explored different parts of Remnant, related to where the other three girls end up going, and which will all tie together as pieces of the same plot.

Cinder got the rest of Fall's power the natural way — by killing the current Fall and having the power pass on to her as per usual.

That's an interpretation, not confirmed. Amber's eyes did open, but we don't actually know how with it she was. The power might have gone to Cinder because of the 'last person' clause, but it might have gone to Cinder because of the 'unity' issue.

Either way, it doesn't matter how she got the second half of the power. We know she did not obtain the first half of the power naturally and that something about her was changed because of that process (as the tattoo on her back reminds us).

Pyrrha was going to get the power by merging her aura with Fall's, and even Ozpin didn't know what effect that would have.

Ozpin took that line the first time it was discussed - when that discussion included Glynda, Qrow and Ironwood. However, his attitude was quite different later on when alone in the vault with the kids. His insistence on hearing Pyrrha's permission and his apology at the start of the transfer indicates to me that he knew what would happen (we don't know what that would end up have being, but Ozpin's behaviour was suspicious enough). For some reason, he's been holding back in front of the others - but then, Ironwood does have the gut feeling that Ozpin's been holding information back from them.

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#32168: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:06:44 PM

wild mass guessRuby will reunite with Blake first, then Weiss, and finally Yang but at the end of volume 4, Ruby, Weiss, Jaune, and a reformed Neo will got to Vacuo while Blake, Yang, Ren, and Nora will go look for Raven who has a mac guffaw that can take maiden powers. NR will be seperated from BY and will have their own adventure before reuniting.

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DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#32169: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:07:34 PM

What help? Crow and Ironwood and Goodwitch and them, who they had no way to get into contact with, no knowledge of where they were, and no idea if any of them were even still alive? Pyrrha didn't seem to be fighting defensively to me — she wasn't trying to keep Cinder busy and stay alive long enough for help to arrive. She was trying to kill Cinder herself. And if she was trying to buy time, well, she failed there too. She didn't last long enough for anyone except Ruby to reach her, and Ruby wouldn't have been able to help if her silver-eyed power that no one knew existed hadn't chosen that moment to activate.

Jaune was contacting Goodwitch before Pyrrha blasted him off.Problem being that their was no guarantee that they'ed get to tower in time.So with Ozpin gone.Pyrrha went back to stall.

This doesn't mean that she wasn't fighting to kill.It'll be wonderful for her if she did.But given that Cinder had gone full Maiden it was unlikely.

Secondly their is no reason to assume that Ruby wouldn't have been able the even the odds had she arrived eariler.Especially considering that the the Amber fell pretty much because of the numbers game.

It saved Ruby's life at the absolute minimum, which probably qualifies it all by itself. It also froze the dragon, which probably saved Vale, and we don't know what effect it had on Cinder yet, but it at least caught her off guard, which is the first and only time Cinder's been surprised and/or threatened by anything.

No it doesn't Deus ex Machinas solve problems.Beacon still fell.The Dragons still a problem.Just not a active threat and Vale is hardly out of the woods.Considering they now a Grimm army parked in their backyard

I have no problem with the way Yang's crashed from losing her arm. I've witnessed what the loss of limbs or limb function can do to even the most dynamic people. They come out of it the other side - usually a different person (sometimes for the good, sometimes for the bad). In Yang's case, her limbs are her primary fighting tools; her entire identity is probably now in question (in her own mind). This is just the beginning of a character arc for her, that's all.

I like to add that Yang had been put though the ringer before the incident.Well cinder faming her for breaking Mercury break.Not to mention the fact the her teammates are gone when she needs their support the most.I actually wager that the straw that broke the camel back wasnt the point were she lost the arm but the point were she found out that Blake up and left her without a reason (I could hear the Bumble bee shippers squeeing in the distance )

edited 14th Apr '16 5:26:57 PM by DeanCole

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#32170: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:08:19 PM

Edit:double post.Sorry

edited 14th Apr '16 5:09:53 PM by DeanCole

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#32171: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:10:29 PM

It's ok we all make mistakes

Anyways what should happen during Ren and Nora's solo adventure

edited 14th Apr '16 5:11:02 PM by DarthSion

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#32172: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:16:14 PM

They meet their new love interest, causing a one episode love triangle.

Then they realize that they should just stay friends.

Only after the love interest reveals their dark secret.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#32173: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:18:09 PM

@Cole: Actually, in terms of the tropes, a Deus ex Machina is something that occurs with no foreshadowing; Chekhov's Gun is when something relatively insignificant turns out to be significant later, which is what happened here.

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#32174: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:20:43 PM

I'm thinking it should involve them saving remnant in the greatest story never told

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#32175: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:23:00 PM

The heroes of their own story, where they leave all their friends behind and Save da World.

Yup...it truly is an insignificant story-tale.

edited 14th Apr '16 5:23:38 PM by randomness4

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