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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#32051: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:44:30 PM

[up][up][up]I know this doesn't help my argument, but I'd like to point out that PMMM had the very dark elements from the beginning of the show. It was just largely in the background and hard to notice (plus the intro was misleading which also makes it my favorite anime intro ever). It was also trying to be misleading. RWBY's dark elements were largely contained in lore and through foreshadowing of certain dialogue, and it wasn't misdirection so much as the dark elements being properly introduced at the end of the prologue.

I don't think comparing them is entirely accurate.

[down]You're probably right. I just recently watched the movies so I don't remember which events cut off where for each episode, though it turns dark pretty quickly.

edited 13th Apr '16 2:57:44 PM by EpicBleye

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#32052: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:49:07 PM

[up] The dark elements present in the first few episodes (beyond things that only start looking more sinister in the context of the later episodes) were mostly in the form of meta-foreshadowing IIRC; ie the outro showing an image of Madoka in the eye of the mask of Mephistopheles (and a quote from Paradise lost showing up on a wall in a background), and RWBY has plenty of that; the lyrics of pretty much every song are quite bleak, the setting itself is, on paper, quite bleak (and totally not inspired by Attack On Titan), and the visuals of the intros/outros got quite bleak starting with season 2.

edited 13th Apr '16 2:53:02 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#32053: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:55:37 PM

I think volume 4 will be more character focused and lighter on action than 3

Cut off one head 2 more shall take it's place! Hail Hydra
AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#32054: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:58:48 PM

If RWBY ran like a regular anime, nonstop, then it would probably be less jarring.

The problem is it doesn't, it gets out a Vol of about 2 hours worth of material a year, with half a year or more of downtime, and it took them 3 and half years to get to the dark. Granted that's just the limits of the medium they're working with, and once it's done (or at least at Vol 10 or so) it will probably flow better having all that material to watch.

Instead they hit the seriousness for 3 episodes, and then we got a hiatus.

I will say this about Pyrrha. No matter what the underlying message was supposed to be about her death, the biggest one I got was "She's loses because she's not the main character." If it was Ruby fighting her the plot would have gone her way, but she wasn't, so it didn't. Which is not really that good. That's Dragonball tier writing honestly.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#32055: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:00:37 PM

Mmmh, looks like the story didn't hit it in the right post with what they were aiming for

I mean, looks like RWBY doesn't have a strong story or at least is looking like they will struggle a lot in trying to tell it in the near future. We can only hope the fight scenes stay awesome, at least IMO

Yeah, i fear the show may possibly have a decrease in quality, but i will reserve my judgement until much later into the series

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#32056: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:01:17 PM

I hope it goes for 30 volumes

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#32057: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:01:19 PM

[up][up][up]so killing off a secondary character and not the protag makes it garbage writing?

man, have i got news for you.

edited 13th Apr '16 3:01:33 PM by EpicBleye

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#32058: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:03:11 PM

[up][up] Oh God, no. That would stretch the story waaaaaaaay too long to the point of being exhausting.

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WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#32059: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:06:07 PM

[up][up][up]Cue entire episodes dealing with characters reloading.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#32060: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:07:51 PM

[up][up] Like One Piece?

[up] And Flashback in the middle of it that spans 3-5 episodes

@Epic Bleye There are stories where the Fandom wants their MC to die. tonguetonguetongue

But yeah, killing your MC too early can usually ruin a lot of things. Unless he is a Decoy Protagonist

@Sion Nah too much. I say 15 would be enough

edited 13th Apr '16 3:08:31 PM by fasoman1996

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#32061: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:09:28 PM

On an unrelated note: how the hell did Cinder even figure out where the hell Ozpin was keeping Fall, anyway?

The entire plan has been to throw everything at Beacon Tower from the beginning (we had signs of that from Roman's map in Volume 1), and to attack Vale to split up the experienced hunters, so that Beacon was under-defended. This is only my theory but given what Cinder said to Ozpin, it sounds to me like Salem told Cinder where she thought Ozpin would be keeping Amber on the basis of how well she understands Ozpin (and I do have another theory as well). Cinder was spying on Ozpin and Pyrrha, followed them down to the vault, which confirmed what Salem had told her. That's why Cinder told Ozpin that 'she' is right about him being arrogant (the comment came on the back of her observing where Amber had been kept all this time); it sounds like Salem told Cinder that Ozpin's hubris would make him keep Amber close to him, so that she would probably be holed up somewhere in Beacon Tower.

edited 13th Apr '16 3:11:58 PM by Wyldchyld

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#32062: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:10:44 PM

They'll run it as long as it's profitable I think. Monty said that he set it up so that RWBY could run for decades if RT really wanted it to even after his planned plot came to an end.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#32063: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:14:22 PM

The creators confirmed that in the livestream several weeks ago. Monty had created the overall plot, so the team knew everything (which meant there was at least 20 volumes worth of storyline, although the actual amount of volumes will inevitably depend on how Miles and Kerry structure the content of each volume), and that Monty had even planned for storylines into the girls' adulthood if there was appetite to continue the show after the main storyline had finished.

By the way, the way the creators talked about Pyrrha and Roman during that livestream. I was updating this thread during the livestream and, at the time, I said that the way they talked about the pair was a little suspicious. I said that would expect most people to automatically interpret what was said as the two characters definitely being dead (which has been the case). However, it was actually worded in such a way as to give them the opportunity to bring them (and probably be labelled as trolling creators in the process).

I don't actually want Roman and Pyrrha to still be alive or to come back, but they were not as unambigious in declaring them 'forever dead and never coming back' as is sometimes said.

edited 13th Apr '16 3:18:41 PM by Wyldchyld

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WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#32064: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:15:10 PM

[up][up][up]wild mass guessGrimm flies. Literally bugged Ozpin's office.wild mass guess

[up][up]So... like Red Vs Blue.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#32065: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:15:29 PM

Frankly, I think somewhere around 7 seasons will suffice.

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#32066: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:16:15 PM

[up]So how edgy should the show go?

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#32067: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:19:22 PM

[up] Depends on your view

You either go full Adam or full Ruby. Two different sides of the Edge. Your choice

If both of these people fight, i will call it the "Edgebowl"

edited 13th Apr '16 3:20:26 PM by fasoman1996

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#32068: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:19:56 PM

To the point where characters drink blood to survive.

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#32069: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:19:58 PM

[up]So we flip the coin. What if it lands on it's side?

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#32070: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:20:24 PM

[up]x4: As edgy as it needs to be to tell the story. Monty had a story, he planned it, so I think the writers should just tell it and the fans can make up their own minds over whether or not they like it.

edited 13th Apr '16 3:20:47 PM by Wyldchyld

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#32071: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:21:05 PM

Well, in terms of the overall plot, we're perhaps 1/4 to 1/3 of the way through the story
I don't see how that makes a difference either. The point I'm making is that the tone was firmly established, and then they changed it without warning, in a way that I felt was poorly executed. Framing it in terms of runtime or percentage of plot completion instead of number of seasons or episodes isn't going to change that. I enjoyed RWBY as an amusing, light hearted action-comedy. It's no longer amusing, light hearted, or comedic. I don't think it's unreasonable to say "they took out all the elements I liked, and I don't think they did a good job of transitioning to the new elements they're introducing". I mentioned earlier that I'm not declaring it Ruined Forever and bailing on the series yet, but if the tone doesn't rebound somewhat in season four, I'm probably going to.

If RWBY goes the Madoka route, then I'm going to stop watching it for the same reason I never started Madoka in the first place. That's just not what I'm interested in.

So we're all mad that our favorite action girl got offed
Nah, Yang survived, so we're good there. I might be a little salty over the fact that she appears to have been written out of the series for the foreseeable future, though. (Admittedly, given where we are in the series, the foreseeable future isn't very far ahead. That's going to be another "wait and see" thing.)

No matter what the underlying message was supposed to be about her death, the biggest one I got was "She's loses because she's not the main character." If it was Ruby fighting her the plot would have gone her way, but she wasn't, so it didn't. Which is not really that good. That's Dragonball tier writing honestly.
I don't entirely agree with you, but I don't really disagree either. For me it has less to do with character tiers (where Pyrrha ranks pretty high, honestly) and more to do with The Plot Reaper. Someone had to die in order to sell the tone shift, and the writers picked Pyrrha for whatever reason. I've already written about why I don't think her entire final arc was handled very well — it's more complicated than just "she loses because she's not protagonist-tier", but "she loses because she's not protagonist-tier" isn't an untrue statement.

That's why Cinder told Ozpin that 'she' is right about him being arrogant (the comment came on the back of her observing where Amber had been kept all this time); it sounds like Salem told Cinder that Ozpin's hubris would make him keep Amber close to him, so that she would probably be holed up somewhere in Beacon Tower.
I suppose that all makes sense. I wish they'd covered it on camera, though. As it is, it feels like Cinder just shows up in their ultra-secret, ultra-secure vault via narrative convenience.

edited 13th Apr '16 3:22:20 PM by NativeJovian

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#32072: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:22:44 PM

[up]To be fair, P-Money unintentionally lead her there.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#32073: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:22:58 PM

[up][up][up][up] If it lands on its edge then we'll know magic in Remnant is both real and powerful.

[up] If Cinder came upon the vault by accident because she just happened to be spying on the entrance to the tower to see Pyrrha make the decision to run over to Ozpin, then her words to Ozpin wouldn't make any sense - her words to Ozpin made it sound like Cinder had been told Ozpin would hide Amber there because his arrogance would lead him to make that decision. Upon seeing Amber in the vault, Cinder concluded Salem was completely right and told Ozpin as much.

That's how it sounded to me, anyway. Besides, Cinder was already spying on the entrance to the tower when Jaune's team got there. She met Mercury and Emerald on the roof to conference, then turned away to watch the tower. Then Jaune's group arrive, Pyrrha spots Ozpin, and runs to him and we see Cinder still on the roof top watching them. After that, all she needed to do was watch the lift to confirm it was travelling downwards, to know they were going to the vault.

She knew about the tower all along.

edited 13th Apr '16 3:29:13 PM by Wyldchyld

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#32074: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:23:12 PM

Cinder found the vault because maybe some sixth sense half of the other power bullshit?

I mean, she was standing atop of a building. Then she magically appears behind jaune in the next chapter. WTH happened?

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#32075: Apr 13th 2016 at 3:25:09 PM

[up]She saw Jaune and P-Money leaving the battle with Ozpin and followed them.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?

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