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DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Statement: All meatbags must die
#32026: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:40:09 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#32027: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:40:59 PM

You missed something...the addition of new fans.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#32028: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:41:08 PM

Talk about Humanoid Grimms? grin

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Prany Since: Apr, 2013
#32029: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:42:00 PM

"love you too" implies love from my part. You're yet to earn it. But do not despair for I don't mind to reveal you how to earn my affection: I like people with sense of humor.

DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Statement: All meatbags must die
#32030: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:42:15 PM

Sure

I hope we see more in volume 4

Cut off one head 2 more shall take it's place! Hail Hydra
Prany Since: Apr, 2013
#32031: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:43:56 PM

We have something in common, so I announce my affection for Ninety. Suck it, Roy!

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#32032: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:43:57 PM

[up] Gosh, you are being such a tsundere. :3

So, who's willing to bet Salem has some sort of reality controlling ability?

edited 13th Apr '16 1:44:12 PM by dRoy

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#32033: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:45:30 PM

I'll bear it with pride.

And let's please not act like someone not liking the new direction, or the abruptness of it, is just because they're a whiner who can't stand a little darkness. I don't agree with him, but Jovian makes good points and he hasn't insulted anyone.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#32034: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:51:54 PM

[up] I'm more or less of the same opinion, though I personally take issue with his belief that it's too late for the show to dramatically shift in terms of tone, especially given he's someone whose binge watched it. RWBY has typically run on something resembling Web Comic Time in terms of how long the show actually runs compared to how long it's been around in real world time; it's around 6.5 hours total from beginning to end IIRC, and in a more conventionally produced animated series, that'd put us right around the half way point of the first season (assuming 25 30 minute episodes/season).

edited 13th Apr '16 1:52:21 PM by CaptainCapsase

EndlessSea LEGENDARY GALE from oh no you don't Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
LEGENDARY GALE
#32035: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:54:21 PM

Problem is, it's taken years to get even that far- RWBY is three volumes in already, and it's even survived the death of its creator, and yet apparently we've only just now hit the end of the first act. There is something seriously wrong with the pacing on this show.

but HOW?
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#32036: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:54:22 PM

[up][up][up]oh yeah. I disagree with Jovian wholeheartedly, but he's not being rude about it and he's allowed to have his opinions (even if it means i'm going to debate them).

[up]not really? this is pretty similar to how other online media updates. the issue is that they're writing, animating, and improving all at once, as well as dealing with staff changes.

edited 13th Apr '16 1:55:21 PM by EpicBleye

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#32037: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:56:00 PM

I remember that one guy who used to insult people a whole lot in this thread.

He got banned.

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DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Statement: All meatbags must die
#32038: Apr 13th 2016 at 1:56:58 PM

What was his name

Cut off one head 2 more shall take it's place! Hail Hydra
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#32039: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:03:10 PM

Jovian, if Pyrrha had gotten the Fall Maiden's power, fought Cinder, and still died, every more people, you included I suspect, would be calling her a Villain Sue, and at that point, I'd be more inclined to agree.
I'm already calling her a Villain Sue. The vast majority of what I've written here has been some variation on the theme of "the heroes haven't been allowed to significantly delay, much less defeat, the villains — and Cinder in particular". That ship has well and truly sailed in my book, and we'll see whether the writers are able to recover in season four or not. But having Cinder fail to get Fall's power, and then limping away, having barely won a fight with a peer — an enormously talented fighter wielding half of Fall's power — would be much better on that count than having Cinder gain Fall's full power and then kill Pyrrha without much of a fight. YMMV.

The previous fights had no consequences because they were low-risk, and newer fights have consequences because there's more, stronger enemies and it's high risk.
That's just straight-up factually untrue. They're still fighting the same people and the same grimm, and yet suddenly combat is much more dangerous. The only genuinely new combatant to show up in the season three finale is Adam, and he's barely even gotten any screentime (well, and the dragon, but no one actually fought that). Even during the train battle, half of team RWBY was defeated and nothing came of it. As of the season three finale, though, losing actually has consequences.

You're comparing Pyrrha's choices and decisions to hypothetical situations which didn't happen and wouldn't happen. It's fine to wonder what could have been, but it looks like you're criticizing the plot because it isn't matching up to how you wanted it.
No, I'm illustrating how I think the plot forced Pyrrha's decisions, so that saying "but she chose to accept Fall's power, her choices totally matter" is false. She was forced into her decisions by events. That's not a criticism of Pyrrha as a person, that's a criticism of the plot for wasting a good character by putting her in situations where she wasn't allowed to shine, then killing her.

Another interpretation that does match up with her character arc is that she decided that she still has a destiny to live up to, with or without her powers.
Except that she fails and dies, having accomplished nothing. If she had pulled off a Heroic Sacrifice and done something with her death, then I'd agree with you. But she didn't; instead she decides to fight Cinder alone, despite everyone up to and including Ozpin telling her not to because she was no match. And they're right; Pyrrha is no match for Cinder, and she dies in a Senseless Sacrifice instead. She didn't protect anyone. She didn't make the world a better place. She did nothing but get herself killed. I don't see that as fulfilling her destiny.

I'm more or less of the same opinion, though I personally take issue with his belief that it's too late for the show to dramatically shift in terms of tone, especially given he's someone whose binge watched it.
That isn't quite what I meant — my point was that it was too late for the shift as it was executed. At the end of the first season I could see "surprise! This series is actually dark" working. At the end of season three, though, there needs to be a bit more to it than that. That's what I was trying to get at when I brought up Harry Potter and Avatar as examples of tone shifts that did a better job, or suggested that giving the audience less information about the villains beforehand (so we get "suddenly, new villains appear, and things are deadly now!" instead of just "suddenly, things are deadly now!") might have been a good idea.

edited 13th Apr '16 2:04:52 PM by NativeJovian

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DarthSion Statement: All meatbags must die from Slokovia Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Statement: All meatbags must die
#32040: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:06:03 PM

I appreciate how the maiden powers aren't just an "I win" button

Cut off one head 2 more shall take it's place! Hail Hydra
WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#32041: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:06:47 PM

I, personally, do not find RWBY to be all that dark. The cuties aren't broken enough. Ruby and Nora are still capable of smiling.

Now, I don't want to see Nora broken. That would be depressing.

edited 13th Apr '16 2:11:03 PM by WillDeRegio

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#32042: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:07:49 PM

[up][up]Yeah, seriously. Ozpin was schooling Cinder during their fight, and he wasn't even going all-out. Pyrrha managed to keep up with Cinder as well.

Hell, from what we saw of Amber vs Cinder's crew even showed that someone who's experienced with the powers can still be blindsided.

edited 13th Apr '16 2:07:57 PM by BlackSunNocturne

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#32043: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:12:27 PM

I, personally, do not find RWBY to be all that dark.
I said this earlier, but that was several pages and many words ago: regardless of whether RWBY fits your personal definition of "dark" or "grimdark" or whatever standard of darkness you want to use, the situation as of the end of season three has certainly gotten a hell of a lot less light than it was for the first two seasons. We've literally gone from two and a half seasons of Nobody Can Die to having two three (counting Roman) characters killed, another missing-presumed-dead, and someone else permanently maimed, all in the space of a few episodes.

"It's not BLACKER THAN THE BLACKEST BLACK, TIMES INFINITY! so it doesn't count" is a silly argument to make.

edited 13th Apr '16 2:15:51 PM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#32044: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:25:26 PM

This tonal shift hasn't set in yet...

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#32045: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:27:18 PM

@Jovian: The number of seasons that have gone by is frankly less relevant than the actual run-time of the show so far, and it's only something like 6.5 hours at this point. Because it's produced by a fairly small studio with a fairly small budget, it's on a Webcomic Time release schedule, which was exacerbated by a number of issues (loss of staff and the creator's death) during production, which matters for a long time fan, but less for someone who binge watches this sort of stuff.

edited 13th Apr '16 2:33:48 PM by CaptainCapsase

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#32046: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:31:41 PM

Series like this isn't safe for binge watching...should be planned out better?

edited 13th Apr '16 2:32:25 PM by randomness4

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#32047: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:32:10 PM

[up][up]I don't see how that makes a difference. I'm the guy who watched the entire thing over the space of a couple weeks instead of the several years it actually came out over, and I still found the shift abrupt and poorly handled. If you want to talk about it in terms of runtime instead of seasons or episode count, then it just becomes "we had six hours of Nobody Can Die, followed by a half-hour of several deaths, a presumed-death, and a maiming" instead of "we had two and a half seasons of Nobody Can Die followed by a few episodes of death and badness". It doesn't fundamentally change anything about the criticism.

edited 13th Apr '16 2:32:41 PM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#32048: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:38:02 PM

[up] Well, in terms of the overall plot, we're perhaps 1/4 to 1/3 of the way through the story, and while it's uncommon for such a drastic tone shift to occur at that point, it's not unheard of; a critically aclaimed example is Puella Magi Madoka Magica, which leads the viewer to believe it's going to be a lighthearted throwback to the classic Magical Girl genre for the first quarter of the show, only for things to suddenly go to hell and the world to turn out to be a much scarier and bleaker place than the viewer was initially lead to believe. Now, I will concede that RWBY spent a bit too much time faffing about, but considering we're likely looking at a total of 20+ hours, it's a fairly small chunk of the show in the grand scheme of things.

I'll definitely concede that RWBY spent an excessive amount of time faffing about prior to the tone shift, and considering the release schedule, it would've probably been better if they hadn't done that, since the show did indeed accumulate a Periphery Demographic of children and people who weren't particularly interested in something dark.

edited 13th Apr '16 2:42:37 PM by CaptainCapsase

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#32049: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:41:24 PM

So we're all mad that our favorite action girl got offed and that the scheduling this show was saddled with didn't fit well the pace of the plot.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#32050: Apr 13th 2016 at 2:44:02 PM

That was only a recent revelation.

That wasn't really a problem before.

Well it was, but nobody brought it up before.

edited 13th Apr '16 2:44:33 PM by randomness4

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