In more general terms, I write long posts because I'm arranging my own thoughts as much as I'm responding to someone else. So they tend to get sort of stream of consciousness style rambly. I can work on keeping the wordcount down if it's really bothering people.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien." Hell, even if they wanted to kill her off, they could have had her accept the power, use it to fight Cinder, and lose. The plot would have ultimately ended up in the exact same place, but it would have been a much more satisfying end to Pyrrha's character arc."
Not much that would reduce her to same thing, "NOW I HAVE THE POWER TO PROTE- *DIES"" that it, Phyrra never question her decision to protect everyone but NOW she have the change, is the moment of truth, she could go on and live with Jaune or face danger now matter where it is
Also freeing Yang would engate the part of framing her and protecting Blake, they use her short temper nature against her and paid for it, what you see will reduce that to nothing
And for last a thing: this thread is freaking fast
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"[...]
No one tells her to do anything. She's always the one to make the decisions.
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Her death doesn't at all count for the trope.
Yes, authors do decide everything that happens in their stories. My point was that there was no logical Watsonian reason why fights only had consequences in the season three finale and not at any point before. The Doylist explanation is because the writers were executing a tone shift that they'd planned from the beginning but delayed for various reasons, but without Word of God about it — if you're just watching the show itself — it comes off as arbitrary.
No, no one literally forces Pyrrha to do anything, but her choices are very much dictated by events. If Beacon hadn't been under attack, she certainly would have taken longer to decide, and her ultimate decision may have been different. The fact that she tries to accept the power and then isn't actually allowed to receive the power is another example of things being dictated by events rather than allowing her to make a free choice. Her decision to fight Cinder was clearly her trying to make up for the fact that she failed to safeguard Fall's power as Ozpin had asked. She feels responsible for its loss and tries to take it back or die trying. That's not a free choice either — it's something she feels obligated to do, not something she does because she wants to.
And her death may not technically fit the requirements of Stuffed into the Fridge because it was happenstance that Ruby showed up just as Cinder killed Pyrrha rather than Cinder deliberately arranging it so that Ruby would find Pyrrha's corpse, but the end result is extremely similar enough that the comparison is relevant. It's very obviously the fact of Pyrrha's death that triggers Ruby's freezing whatever. If Ruby had gotten there ten seconds later, with Cinder standing there alone instead of Ruby seeing her make the killing blow and incinerate the body, it's unlikely that Ruby's power would have activated like it did. That's what I'm getting at.
"That's not a free choice either — it's something she feels obligated to do, not something she does because she wants to."
All decision are influenced by events, she was force into a decision by the cabal early one, also she did have the option to flee after all Ozpin said to her and Jaune to conact the other, she chose facing her
"Making a legitimate try and failing valiantly would have been far more satisfying to me than muddling through without making a firm decision and then dying anyway. "
She did the same, even more consider the great gap between her and Cinder, what you said will only make things even more pointless "yeah phyrra get power only to fail" THAT would make Cinder a villian sue.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Jovian, if Pyrrha had gotten the Fall Maiden's power, fought Cinder, and still died, every more people, you included I suspect, would be calling her a Villain Sue, and at that point, I'd be more inclined to agree. I'm sorry that this didn't turn out to be your kind of show, but I for one was just about ready to call it quits after two and a half seasons of the plot going absolutely nowhere.
edited 13th Apr '16 12:52:14 PM by CaptainCapsase
That's not quite what a Villain Sue is, and moreover, it's rather premature to be throwing that label around; saying Cinder is a sue is like watching the first half of The Dark Knight Rises and concluding that Bane is a Villain Sue, to use the example provided by your avatar.
Yang is a big girl, Top Heavy material!
That reminds me. Where the fuck where Emerald and Mercury doing while all the shit happened?
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If yang is top heavy, what Winter is?
But yeah, while the show have flaws, Phyrra arc was well done, she chose face death to run and I can respect that
edited 13th Apr '16 1:06:50 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Events in the plot affect characters' decisions and choices. Criticizing the plot because it affected a character's decision seems very short-sighted and ignores the fact that people are affected by the situations they find themselves in.
She still is the one to make the choices, regardless of the situations that influenced her decision.
As for Pyrrha "making up for the fact", that's just one character interpretation, which doesn't match what was happening with her character arc. Another interpretation that does match up with her character arc is that she decided that she still has a destiny to live up to, with or without her powers.
edited 13th Apr '16 1:09:03 PM by EpicBleye
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-MaeCinder is not a Villain Sue. Magnificent Bitchnote , probably. If she manages to spectacularly dupe the other three kingdoms, kill the maidens, and absorb their powers to become the Archmaiden of Evilness, then yes, she can be called a Villain Sue.
On a different topic, since Adam Taurus is most likely a Bull Faunus, I think his mask might either block the color red, to prevent him lashing out at anything rednote , or it's red on the inside to make him pissed off all the time.
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Sheesh, the speed at which you guys post is astounding.
edited 13th Apr '16 1:12:16 PM by WillDeRegio

In fact, that entire block is explained through the story.
The hunters are expected to fight Grimm, and because of their training a few Grimm don't pose much trouble.
Volume 2 establishes that Grimm getting into civilian populations is a really bad thing since citizens can't fight the Grimm and they'll certainly die (I will give you that Volume 2's didn't help to establish that). It also establishes that hunters can't handle large populations of Grimm, and that there are incredibly powerful grimm that are waiting to attack.
Volume 3 follows suit when incredibly powerful grimm attack, large populations attack, and it's attacking citizens. This is why it's treated as dangerous.
She's the one who questioned taking on the burden of the fall maiden. It wasn't about not wanting to protect others, it was about sacrificing everything she wanted to protect others.
She's the one who decided to take the fall maiden's powers when stuff started going wrong. Ozpin didn't tell her to come, she decided on her own that she needed to accept her destiny.
She's the one who decided to fight Cinder even without the fall maiden's powers. Cinder didn't go after Pyrrha, she decided to fight Cinder.
To make this clear: Pyrrha died because she made the choice to fight Cinder. Nothing else caused this.
Stuff hardly "just happened" to her. She went out of her way to take action.
A lot of your issues with the finale involve straight up ignoring actions taken by the characters.
If she were Stuffed into the Fridge she would've been killed and left for Ruby to find. That's not what happened. She went to fight Cinder, got killed, and as she was killed Ruby saw and activated protag powers due to the event.
I'll give you Ruby's eyes being a Deus ex Machina, but when you view Volumes 1-3 as being the introduction to the whole story (because it is), her using her silver eyes power at that time is hardly unusual for a story. Hell, it's actually common for protags to unleash their special power when shit hits the fan in the beginning of stories, and then learn to deal with their power over the course of the story.
edited 13th Apr '16 12:23:37 PM by EpicBleye
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae